Marvel Chronology Project

Ah! In that case I would suggest this arrangement for the Defenders: Angel, Beast, Cloud (BTS?), Gargoyle, Iceman, Moondragon, Valkyrie DEF 139 (pages 1-6) SUB-M2 3 (Defenders watch Namor's speech, Moondragon in green costume with Odin's headband, Gargoyle's hand not shown) DEF 139 (pages 7-on) (Moo...

I guess the final question is, does something happen to Namor in the other 3 issues of this mini that places it after the ROM story? (I only own SUB-M2 3 for the Defenders appearance.) Or does it have something to do with overall Marvel continuity at this point in time? Why was it originally placed ...

Dr. Strange and Peter Parker also appear in Sub-M2 3 watching the same speech by Namor, (as well as the Fantastic Four [Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, & She-Hulk] and the Defenders [Valkyrie, Moondragon, Iceman, Beast, Angel, & Gargoyle]). Interesting that Dr. Strange & Spi...

Michael wrote:The FF didn't appear in Rom because Reed and Sue were being held captive by Mephisto and Johnny and Ben were arguing over Alicia in FF 277.

I thought She-Hulk was part of the team by that point? She appears to be in Sub-M2 3...

The only character besides the Defenders to appear both in the Rom issues and SUB-M2 3 was Namor himself. His MCP listing has the Rom issues immediately preceding the SUB-M2 miniseries. This is incorrect. The Fantastic Four also appear and possibly a few other heroes (forget off the top of my head)...

Has anyone done an overview of this era? How does Sub-M2 3 fit in the overall continuity of the Marvel Universe at this point? Does it take place before or after the ROM issues? Anyone?

If SUB-M2 3 takes place before ROM 65, the absolutely last spot it could take place for the Defenders would be in DEF 139 between pages 6 & 7 during the "several days later" gap. Moondragon still has Odin's headband on her and is wearing her green costume (& Gargoyle's hands are no...

I just did a careful re-reading of the "New" Defenders issues and in DEF 142 discovered this: Bobby: "Something's strange, Hank--This weather is really strange--even the wind smells funny. * It makes me uncomfortable." Footnote: " * For the inside scoop on this, see the curr...

I guess we'll have to ignore John Byrne's caption that X:HY begins only 3 days after UX 66. Also fitting in that gap are the X-Men's appearances in FF:WGCM too.

Michael wrote:Yeah,that would work but that just raises the question why the original Defenders waited so long to tell the other Defenders they were quitting.

They had to talk/think it over. Probably the best route then.

Just to show another perspective on this, here is Angel's chronology for the period in question:

A 211
M/FAN 1
M/FAN 2
M/FAN 3
M/FAN 4
SS3 14-FB
M/GN 1
M/FAN 4
A 214
DAZZ 17-FB
DAZZ 17
DAZZ 18
DAZZ 19-FB
DAZZ 19
DAZZ 20
DAZZ 21
DAZZ 22
DAZZ 23
DAZZ 24
COC 1
COC 2-BTS
COC 3
H2 278
H2 279
DAZZ 27

The alternative is maybe a break at the beginning of Defenders 122 just after Daimon proposes to Patsy and before the original 4 are attacked by the Elf? Or a large break for the 4 original Defenders in Defenders 125 between page 20 and 38? Their storyline isn't specifically tied to the rest of the ...

With Patsy Walker, it was eventually established that most if not all of her childhood adventures were works of comic book fiction written by her mother and were not canon, and she eventually became joined the Defenders as Hellcat (similar to how the original Two-Gun Kid, Clay Harder, was retconned...

Ah, found it: before Defenders 134. That is the issue where Gargoyle is kidnapped. It begins a storyline that continues with no break where all the team members are together until Defenders 139.

I'll have to re-check my issues of the Defenders but there are some long storylines with no breaks where things change for Gargoyle and Moondragon which place the ROM and Sub-Mariner issues earlier in the Defenders run. Gargoyle is kidnapped and looses his hand at one point and Moondragon looses the...