UTOPIA to SIEGE

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Sun May 17, 2015 5:33 pm

The break between DPOOL4 18 & DPOOL4 19 (instead of during DPOOL4 19) works for me.

A:I 31 (16:4-18)-FB is a repeat of SIEGE:CABAL. Then, A:I 31 (19-22) is already in Green Goblin's chronology in brackets, without page numbers:

GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN JR.
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[SIEGE:CABAL (5 - 27)]
NA 64-FB
[A:I 31] <- needs page numbers
[SIEGE 1]
T 607
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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Russ Chappell » Sun May 17, 2015 6:03 pm

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Russ Chappell » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:12 pm

Paul Bourcier wrote:MA 32-33 occur before NA 55-60.
Paul,

What's our reasoning for this? I ask because according to the Avengers Index TPB, Venom appears in MA 32 after NA@ 3, which is after NA 60. Are we overruling the Index?

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Siabod » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:48 am

Hi, first post, so be gentle

I think "HERC 129-137", shoulde actually be "HERCULES2 129-137". That's the (only) volume of Herc(ules) that goes that high, and timing post Dark Reign is right
Same for "HERC 138-141", ie should be "HERCULES2 138-141"

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:40 am

Yep, this is the Incredible Hercules volume. Good eye!

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Paul Bourcier wrote:MA 32-33 occur before NA 55-60.
Paul,

What's our reasoning for this? I ask because according to the Avengers Index TPB, Venom appears in MA 32 after NA@ 3, which is after NA 60. Are we overruling the Index?
Also, the MCP currently has MA 32-33 after DARKW 81 for Daken. Which is WAY after where this list has it. Just going by publication order, it looks like MA 32-33 would go between XvsATLAS 1-2 and UX 516-522.

Does it have something to do with Realm of Kings?
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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Russ Chappell » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:15 pm

Col_Fury wrote:Also, the MCP currently has MA 32-33 after DARKW 81 for Daken. Which is WAY after where this list has it.
Yes, but that placement came from a chronology that you provided, so...

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:58 pm

True. But that (and other) chronologies were built at the same time as the Index chronologies, and were using the same basic set of references and such. Of course, all of my notes from back then are on paper, my organization's a MESS from back then, and I'm kind of buried with new stuff at the moment and wouldn't have the first clue as to sorting out all of those old notes to find anything useful.

It LOOKS like Venom's and Daken's current MCP placements for MA 32-33 were more based on publication order. But if there's plot reasons for MA 32-33 to occur earlier as Paul B. suggests, then we should adjust for that. Of course, I won't have the chance to look into it for a bit, but I have a feeling it might have something to do with Realm of Kings.

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:35 am

Sorry again guys. I discovered that this is one of those few times when my notes from one file didn't get updated when I made changes to another file. I ended up checking the outdated file rather than the up-to-date one. Long story short, I withdraw that silly statement that MA 32-33 occur before NA 55-60.

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:58 am

No worries! :)

I've moved MA 32-33 in the list to just before UX 516.

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Russ Chappell » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:25 pm

Col_Fury wrote: I've moved MA 32-33 in the list to just before UX 516.
According to Sub-Mariner's chronology, most of TORCH occurs around the same time, between XVSATLAS and UX 516.

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:43 pm

You're right! Added tot he list. :)
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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Siabod » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:15 am

I've got another question about Hercules.
Incredible Hercules 138 - 141 is listed before Siege. But Hercules: Fall of an Avenger is listed after Siege.
I'm assuming that the latter is listed after Siege as Phobos says (in Hercules: Fall of an Avengers #2) that his father has died (which happened in Siege 2?). But at the start of Hercules: Fall of an Avenger #1, the editor's note says this happens 24hrs after the death of Hercules.
Would it not be better for them all to be grouped together after Siege?

Let me know if I got it wrong.

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Col_Fury » Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:14 pm

Hercules dies before the Fall of the Hulks crossover; his death is noted in Incredible Hulk #607.

Clint Barton is still Ronin during Fall of the Hulks; he resumes being Hawkeye immediately after SIEGE, and is still Ronin during SIEGE, so Fall of the Hulks has to be before SIEGE (there are other Avengers-related things, but that's an easy one to point at).

As you said, Ares dies during SIEGE, and that death is noted in Fall of an Avenger #1-2.

So, that gives us Hercules dies -> Fall of the Hulks (Hercules already dead, Clint still Ronin) -> SIEGE (Ares dies, Clint stops being Ronin) -> Fall of an Avenger (Ares already dead)

Despite the "24 hours" thing in Fall of an Avenger.

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Re: UTOPIA to SIEGE

Post by Russ Chappell » Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:33 pm

Col_Fury wrote:Here’s where we’re at:

DRList: ASM
ASM 612-614
XvsATLAS 1-2
MA 32-33
Torch 1-8
UX 516-522
The DB building is destroyed during Spider-Man's battle with Electro in ASM 614, yet appears intact in TORCH 4. I would suggest moving TORCH:

DRLIST:ASM
TORCH 1-8
ASM 612-614
XVSATLAS 1-2
MA 32-33
UX 516-522

I've only red the first four issues of TORCH, so something may yet crop up to torpedo this.

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