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Two-Gun Kid question

Post by RogueBurger » Mon May 18, 2015 12:38 pm

I noticed that Two-Gun Kid entry doesn't contain any of the original Two-Gun Kid comic run (1948-1977). Is there a reason for this? I understand that TGK #1-59 were (possibly) retconned to be just dime-store novels in TGK #60 (and is also a different character), but I don't see any indication that the Matt Hawk who appears in TGK #60+ (1961 and onward) is not the same Matt Hawk who appears in Kid Colt Outlaw #141 (1969) which is listed as his first appearance.

I'm not terribly well versed in where and how all the recons for the older comics take place, so I could be missing something obvious. I'm just curious if those stories are considered canon or not.

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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by vanhornluke » Mon May 18, 2015 1:31 pm

While TGK #60 seems to indicate the original Two-Gun Kid (Clay Harder) was just an in-universe fictional dime novel character, Marvel Westerns: The Outlaw Files reverses that and indicates that Clay Harder was a 616 character. The dime novels must have been in-universe fictions based upon his 616 adventures. So, Clay Harder should eventually have a chronology here. The more difficult issue is that some of Harder's adventures were later reprinted and altered to have Matt instead of Clay as the character involved in them. It strains credulity to say that two different people had otherwise identical adventures in the same places with the same people at different times. Outlaw Files clarifies that one of those reprinted stories was really Harder and not Matt, but the others have never received clarification as to who was really there.

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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by Col_Fury » Mon May 18, 2015 5:46 pm

Yep. The biggest hurdle is getting our hands on those older comics and analyzing them.

Similarly, there are a bunch of Golden Age Human Torch and Sub-Mariner comics that are canon that haven't made their way into the MCP yet either for the same reason.

One of these days we'll get to them! :)

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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by Russ Chappell » Mon May 18, 2015 6:16 pm

Col_Fury wrote:Yep. The biggest hurdle is getting our hands on those older comics and analyzing them.
I have all the Two-Gun Kid's, but the westerns are not on the priority list right now.

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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by vanhornluke » Wed May 20, 2015 1:11 am

Russ Chappell wrote:
Col_Fury wrote:Yep. The biggest hurdle is getting our hands on those older comics and analyzing them.
I have all the Two-Gun Kid's, but the westerns are not on the priority list right now.
Neither, apparently, are the Hyborian, 50s war/spy/crime, humor, or romance comics.

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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by Col_Fury » Wed May 20, 2015 6:11 am

Until relatively recently, alternate universes weren't high on the list either. But hey! We've made huge progress there.

Speaking of Conan and related books, anyone have 'em? (there's a bunch!)
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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by Somebody » Wed May 20, 2015 6:25 am

Basically, if we want a bunch of books done, we lock Fury in his room and tell him he can't eat until he's finished. He hasn't missed a meal yet ;)
Col_Fury wrote:Speaking of Conan and related books, anyone have 'em? (there's a bunch!)
Nah, bunches are flowers. There's a bushel!

--CONAN--
Conan the Barbarian v1 #1-275
Conan Annual #1-12
Giant-Size Conan #1-5
Savage Tales v1 #1-5 (of 11)
Marvel Comics Super Special #2
Marvel Super Special #9 (also Red Sonja)
The Savage Sword of Conan #1-235 (B&W magazine)
The Savage Sword of Conan the Barbarian Annual #1 (B&W magazine)
King Conan #1-19 & Conan the King #20-55
Marvel Graphic Novel x7 (#19: The Witch Queen of Acheron, #26: Conan the Reaver, Conan of the Isles, The Skull of Set, The Horn of Azoth, Conan the Rogue, Conan: The Ravagers Out of Time)
Conan the Adventurer #1-14
Conan #1-11
Conan the Savage #1-12 (B&W magazine)
Conan vs. Rune #1 (Ultraverse?!)
Conan the Barbarian v2 #1-3
Conan the Barbarian: The Usurper #1-3
Conan: Return of Styrm #1-3
Conan: River of Blood #1-3
Conan: Scarlet Sword #1-3
Conan: The Lord of the Spiders #1-3
Conan: Death Covered in Gold #1-3
Conan: Flame and the Fiend #1-3
The Punisher Annual #2
Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme #11
Thor Corps #3
Conan Saga #1-97 (primarily? reprints)
The [Official] Handbook of the Conan Universe #1 (1986)
The Official Handbook of the Conan Universe #1 (1993)

--RED SONJA--
Marvel Feature v2 #1-7
Red Sonja v1 #1-15
Marvel Team-Up v1 #79
Red Sonja v2 #1-2
Red Sonja v3 #1-3
Red Sonja: Scavenger Hunt (one-shot)

--KULL--
Kull the Conqueror v1 #1-10 & Kull the Destroyer #11-29
Creatures on the Loose #10
Monsters on the Prowl #16
Kull and the Barbarians #1-3 (B&W magazine, also Red Sonja)
Kull the Conqueror v2 #1-2
Kull the Conqueror v3 #1-10
Marvel Graphic Novel: Kull - The Vale of Shadow

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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by Russ Chappell » Wed May 20, 2015 8:52 am

vanhornluke wrote:
Russ Chappell wrote:
Col_Fury wrote:Yep. The biggest hurdle is getting our hands on those older comics and analyzing them.
I have all the Two-Gun Kid's, but the westerns are not on the priority list right now.
Neither, apparently, are the Hyborian, 50s war/spy/crime, humor, or romance comics.
Yes! That's it exactly. Are you volunteering?

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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by vanhornluke » Wed May 20, 2015 1:19 pm

Somebody wrote:Basically, if we want a bunch of books done, we lock Fury in his room and tell him he can't eat until he's finished. He hasn't missed a meal yet ;)
Col_Fury wrote:Speaking of Conan and related books, anyone have 'em? (there's a bunch!)
Nah, bunches are flowers. There's a bushel!
Don't forget the Spidey/Red Sonja crossover copublished with Dynamite (the Spidey Index confirms it's 616), Marvel Super Special #21, 35 and 38, as well as Thongorr's appearances (and since Elric appears in two issues of Conan the Barbarian, don't leave out Elric's comics, too). And there are also the Conan newspaper strips. Are those 616?

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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by vanhornluke » Wed May 20, 2015 1:23 pm

Russ Chappell wrote:Yes! That's it exactly. Are you volunteering?
Doubtful. I'm not rich enough to own copies of all of those 50s comics, and even resorting to sailing the high seas still leaves lots of gaps, especially for the humor and romance comics. That's a shame, since Millie has a bazillion appearances (the handbooks confirm her various series are 616), but there are only a handful of her appearances listed here at MCP. And I don't even know where to look to get copies (original or scans) of all the Willie Lumpkin newspaper strips, which the handbooks again confirm are 616 (a few of which were reprinted in Marvel Age).

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Post by Russ Chappell » Wed May 20, 2015 3:35 pm

I have about half of the Millie the Models, but, again, low on the totem pole.

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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by Col_Fury » Wed May 20, 2015 5:56 pm

Somebody wrote:Basically, if we want a bunch of books done, we lock Fury in his room and tell him he can't eat until he's finished. He hasn't missed a meal yet ;)
I'm fairly effective when food's at stake (or is that steak?). :lol:

I'd also love to get back into getting some more Golden Age comics into the MCP, and have some Masterworks just waiting for me to pay attention to them, but I keep getting distracted. :) The eventual plan is to include everything, of course. Even Spider-Ham! :D
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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by vanhornluke » Wed May 20, 2015 7:27 pm

Col_Fury wrote:
Somebody wrote:Basically, if we want a bunch of books done, we lock Fury in his room and tell him he can't eat until he's finished. He hasn't missed a meal yet ;)
I'm fairly effective when food's at stake (or is that steak?). :lol:

I'd also love to get back into getting some more Golden Age comics into the MCP, and have some Masterworks just waiting for me to pay attention to them, but I keep getting distracted. :) The eventual plan is to include everything, of course. Even Spider-Ham! :D
Everything? Even Barbie? :-P

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Re: Two-Gun Kid question

Post by intp » Sat May 30, 2015 10:19 pm

I've been interested in the character ever since he appeared in Dan Slott's She-Hulk run. I'm hoping Marvel eventually releases a Masterworks line to make this available for the general public. I'd certainly buy any such MMW volumes.

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