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Re: FEAR ITSELF to AVX

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H2 42 wants to happen shortly after Fear Itself, whereas SECA doesn't seem to care. I'd say move SECA 17 for War Machine:

WAR MACHINE/JAMES RUPERT RHODES
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IM 527
**[SECA 17] (move from here)
H2 42
[H2 43]
*[SECA 17] (move to here)
[SECA 20]
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I want to reopen the discussion of the placement of UX2 1-8. I don't follow the reasoning for placing it as late as we have it, after UXFOR 35. Magneto and Psylocke's discussion in UX2 5 doesn't really make sense, if X-Force has already disbanded (in UXFOR 35). Psylocke also tells Cyclops that she can be on both teams at once. I understand that UX2 5-8 needs to occur after the Angel/Apocalypse story in UXFOR, but why can't we move UX2 up a little, like so:

W&X 4 (1:1 - 1:2)
UXFOR 10 - 11
UXFOR 14-FB
UXFOR 12 - 19 (1 - 17:2)
W&X 4 (1:3 - 1:5)
UXFOR 19 (17:3 - 20)
UXFOR 19.1
UXFOR 20 - 24 (1 - 18)
UX2 1 (11 - 28) - 3
UX2 4 (4)-FB
UX2 6 - 9
UX2 4
W&X 4 (2 - 18)
W2 304
DPOOL4 50-54
UXFOR 24 (19 - 20) - 35

Psylocke is the only character that appears in both titles.
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Somebody wrote: Wed May 27, 2015 6:26 pm it seems like the Extinction team appears here out-of-sequence:

1) New-Sinister appears directly after UX2 3 (the previous issue)
2) There is, as you say, a long gap after the New-Sinister scene while the Phalanx rebuilds itself
3) The Extinction Team show up with Psylocke in place of Frost. The scene where she's asked to fill in is at the start of the next arc and in response to the appearance of Tabula Rasa. And that arc ends with Frost's arm still being reattached.

I suspect the order goes:

UX2 1-3 [Sinisters arc]
UX2 4 (4) [Sinister disposes of lab]
UX2 5-8 [Tabula Rasa arc] ~ UX2 4 (5) [Phalanx rebuilds itself]
UX2 4 (6-20) [Extinction Team destroy Phalanx]
I'm not convinced that the reasoning here is strong enough to justify shuffling issues out of published order. Yes, Psylocke fights with Scott's team in UX2 4, and Scott asks her to join his team in UX2 5, but it's already established that Betsy is splitting her time between X-Force and Uncanny because, well, there she is, in UX2 5, before Scott asks her to join the team, sitting with the team. Scott's never been reluctant to temporarily shuffle team members, if the mission parameters required it. He could have said, "Psylocke, we need you with us on this mission (in UX2 4), since Emma is unavailable," then officially extended the offer to her in UX2 5.

I'm willing to move stories out of order if Marvel says so, or if there's no other way, but I just don't see this rising to that level.
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Re: FEAR ITSELF to AVX

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Just to carry a note over from the Siege to Fear Itself thread:

TOD:TOB (Tomb of Dracula Presents: Throne of Blood 1) needs to go somewhere in the top chunk of this list, happening after FEAR ITSELF: HULK VS. DRACULA 1-3 and before LEGION OF MONSTERS VOL. 2 3 and X-MEN VOL. 3 23.
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Re: FEAR ITSELF to AVX

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X-Factor 225-228 should be X-Factor 224.1, 225-228

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All the X-Men v2 should be X-Men v3
X-Men v3 15.1 goes between 15 and 16, shares no characters with Gen Hope 9, so I'm not sure which side it fits better on

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Deadpool v4 37-49, 49.1 is after Fear Itself, before Battle Scars, which is also missing.

Battle Scars is after Fearless 12, before A@2 1, A4 19, ASOLO 1...oh, hm, problem. Cap's character chronology has him going Fearless->Battlescars->Avengers Solo, this list puts Solo before Fearless.

If we're going by the existing chronologies, the top should look something like:

FEAR ITSELF
DPOOL4 37-FB
A4 13-18 / NA2 14-16 (the current day interview parts)
TB 163.1
DPOOL4 37-49, 49.1
ASOLO 1-5 (& back-ups)
FI:FEARLESS 1-12
BSCARS 1-6
ASOLO 1-5 (& back-ups)
Defenders 1-12 (just the book-end 616 bits)

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DPOOL4 55-63 seem like they can go pretty much anywhere after W&XM 8. The only other affected characters look to be Taskmaster (used around the same time in Secret Avengers 29+, this should probably come earlier), Trapster (next in ASM 699 the next year) and a variety of random villains all in their last appearances for at least a couple years (CMRO only goes up to mid-2016 atm).

I've personally got it placed right after W&X 5-8
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Paul Bourcier's Fear Itself chronology has the Avengers Solo Backups > Deadpool 37-45 > Fear Itself: The Fearless > Battle Scars.

http://chronologyproject.com/phpbb2/vie ... 274#p46986
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Re: FEAR ITSELF to AVX

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Quite right, I copied that line as-is without checking the backups. Current chronologies place ASOLO 1/2-5/2 after A4 18 and before FI:FEARLESS 1, while ASOLO 1-5 go after BSCARS 6. So instead:

FEAR ITSELF
DPOOL4 37-FB
A4 13-18 / NA2 14-16 (the current day interview parts)
ASOLO 1/2-5/2 (second story in all 5 if that format is unclear)
TB 163.1
DPOOL4 37-49, 49.1
ASOLO 1-5 (& back-ups)
FI:FEARLESS 1-12
BSCARS 1-6
ASOLO 1-5 (& back-ups)
Defenders 1-12 (just the book-end 616 bits)
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Col_Fury wrote: Sat May 30, 2015 1:31 am
DD3 1-3
Moon Knight v8 1-12
ANNIS:Earthfall 1-4
ASM 674-675
CA6 1-5
DD3 4-6
BP6 525-529
CA& 625-628
X-Men: Legacy 250-258
W4 10-16 (1 - 18)
X-Men: Prelude to Schism 1-4
W4 16 (19 – 20)
X-Men: SCHISM 1-5 (inc GENH 10-12, X:L 259-260, UX 544 & X:Regenesis)
[W&X 2-FB]
W4 17-19
X-Factor 230-236
[W&X 3-FB]
[W&X 17 (3:5 - 5:4)-FB]
[W&X 17 (7:1 - 10:3)-FB]
Wolverine & the X-Men 1-3
W&X:A&O 1-5
W2 302-FB
W2 310-313
[PO 1-FB]
Avenging Spider-Man 1-3
Avengers Academy 21-22
Magneto: Not a Hero 1-4
Thunderbolts 163-171
Legion of Monsters v2 1-4
Mister Hyde appears in Moon Knight 1, but we have it placed in the middle of Hyde's jaunt through time with the Thunderbolts. Is that a different Hyde in Moon Knight?

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Re: FEAR ITSELF to AVX

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It looks like we have two options.

Separate MK6 1 (and the MK6 flashbacks right before it) from the rest and place it before FEAR ITSELF (maybe very shortly before?), leaving the rest where they are.

Move MK6 1-12 to after DA2 183, where Mister Hyde leaves the team. Of course, that's after the NEXT crossover, and would pull MK6 out of publication order.

The first option would have the added benefit of letting the Index to still be correct for Spider-Man, Captain America and Wolverine, who appear in later issues.
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Col_Fury wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:48 pm It looks like we have two options.

Separate MK6 1 (and the MK6 flashbacks right before it) from the rest and place it before FEAR ITSELF (maybe very shortly before?), leaving the rest where they are.

Move MK6 1-12 to after DA2 183, where Mister Hyde leaves the team. Of course, that's after the NEXT crossover, and would pull MK6 out of publication order.

The first option would have the added benefit of letting the Index to still be correct for Spider-Man, Captain America and Wolverine, who appear in later issues.
I have discussed this issue here: https://www.chronologyproject.com/phpbb ... =2&t=17767
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Col_Fury wrote: Thu May 28, 2015 3:41 pm
Emerald_616 wrote:for New Mutants #37, does the presence of the Hel-Hound puppy Warlock has hidden help with placement?
Loki gave the Hel-puppy to Warlock in JiM 632 (where Thor's still "dead"), which has to happen before Thor's return in Thor #8-12, which has to happen before W4 16 (where Thor appears), which has to happen before Schism, which has to happen before NM3 33 (after Schism, New Mutants relocate to San Fran). Luckily, San Francisco isn't mentioned in JiM 632. :thumbsup:
But sadly, San Francisco is mentioned in EXD (3 - 4), in which Sigurd sees Leah bringing the Hel-puppy to Warlock. Also, it doesn't appear in Sigurd's listing, but in NM3 34, the day the New Mutants move in San Francisco after Schism and without the Hel-puppy, Warlock notices Sigurd already spying on them. Sigurd also appears in NM3 37, the same issue the Hel-puppy appears in NM3.

I don't know what to do with that. Col_Fury's reasoning seems correct, it puts JIM 632 before Schism, but Sigurd's chronology puts EXD (3 - 4) and so JIM 632 after Schism. What do you think ?
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The Ka-Zar KZ4 miniseries is expected to take place around this time. One news headline reads that Captain America is expected to be a guest at Nascar. I would say after Steve Rogers has returned to being Cap. Since Skaar is not involved in the story told in the mini, set in Savage Land, I would say that it fits better after Skaar is recruited into the Dark Avengers by Osborn, in NA2 18.
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I agree with the placement of DD: DN 6-8, but I don't see any trace of it in the individual chronologies of Misty Knight and Daredevil. Where does this placement come from?
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I think it's the opposite : the placement in this thread has been made by the posters from this thread, but DD:DN 6-8 is still in the Checklist, it has not been implemented in the chronologies yet.
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