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KSH 1/2

Post by michel » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:19 am

The page count for KSH 1 in She-Hulk's chronology let us think the main story has 17 pages, but actually there are two stories of 8 pages :
KSH 1 : Where Monsters Dwell by Jeph Loeb & Art Adams ft Bruce Banner, Gen. Ross LMD and a FB ft Red Hulk and Wendigo.
KSH 1/2 : Wait Until Dark by Jeph Loeb & Frank Cho ft She-Hulk, Maria Hill and Red Hulk, in between pages H4 2. KSH 1/2 (1) retells H4 2 (1-3).

SHE-HULK/JENNIFER WALTERS
(...)
H4 1
H4 2 (1 - 3) ~ KSH 1/2 (1) (was H4 2 (1 - 4:3))
KSH 1/2 (2 - 7) ~ H4 2 (4:1 - 4:3) (was KSH 1 (1 - 16))
H4 2 (4:4 - 6)
KSH 1/2 (8) (was KSH 1 (17))
H4 2 (7 - 19) (was H4 2 (7 - 22))
H4 3-FB
(...)

RED HULK/GEN. THADDEUS "THUNDERBOLT" ROSS
From Ross, Gen. Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross
KSH 1-FB
H4 1
H4 2 (1 - 3) ~ KSH 1/2 (1) (was H4 2 (1 - 4:3))
KSH 1/2 (2 - 7) ~ H4 2 (4:1 - 4:3) (was KSH 1 (1 - 16))
remove H4 2 (4:4 - 6)-BTS
remove KSH 1 (17)
H4 2 (4:4 - 19) (was H4 2 (7 - 19))
HSA 5
H4 2 (20 - 22)
(...)

HILL, MARIA
(...)
H4 1
add H4 2 (1 - 3) ~ KSH 1/2 (1)
H4 2 (4 - 6) (was H4 2)
KSH 1/2 (8) (was KSH 1-FB)
add H4 2 (14&15:2)-VO
H4 3-FB
(...)

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Re: KSH 1/2

Post by Russ Chappell » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:37 pm

Okay, three things.

1. Not a bug, so moved to Marvel Universe forum.

2.
michel wrote:SHE-HULK/JENNIFER WALTERS
(...)
H4 1
H4 2 (1 - 3) ~ KSH 1/2 (1) (was H4 2 (1 - 4:3))
KSH 1/2 (2 - 7) ~ H4 2 (4:1 - 4:3) (was KSH 1 (1 - 16))
Not sure why you've split this up into two separate appearances. If H4 2 (1 - 3) is the same as KSH 1/2 (1), and H4 2 (4:1 - 4:3) is the same as KSH 1/2 (2 - 7), why not just say:
H4 2 (1 - 4:3) ~ KSH 1/2 (1 - 7)

3. KSH 1 was published several months after H4 2, so if they're truly retellings, they wouldn't be concurrent appearances. We would simply ignore KSH 1/2 (1 - 7).

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Re: KSH 1/2

Post by michel » Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:25 am

Russ Chappell wrote:Not sure why you've split this up into two separate appearances. If H4 2 (1 - 3) is the same as KSH 1/2 (1), and H4 2 (4:1 - 4:3) is the same as KSH 1/2 (2 - 7), why not just say:
H4 2 (1 - 4:3) ~ KSH 1/2 (1 - 7)
H4 2 (1 - 3) is the same as KSH 1/2 (1). She-Hulk talks with Iron Man and Maria Hill, then is grabbed by Red Hulk.
H4 2 (4:1 - 4:3) is not the same as KSH 1/2 (2 - 7), but they happen at the same time. In H4 2 (4:1 - 4:3) Iron Man and Maria Hill hear the noises of the fight between Red Hulk and She-Hulk, while KSH 1/2 (2-7) shows the fight. So She-Hulk is BTS (or OP ?) in H4 2 (4:1 - 4:3)

Russ Chappell wrote:3. KSH 1 was published several months after H4 2, so if they're truly retellings, they wouldn't be concurrent appearances. We would simply ignore KSH 1/2 (1 - 7).
OK, I didn't know this rule. Then is this correct ? :

SHE-HULK/JENNIFER WALTERS
(...)
H4 1
H4 2 (1 - 3) (was H4 2 (1 - 4:3))
KSH 1/2 (2 - 7) ~ H4 2 (4:1 - 4:3)-BTS (was KSH 1 (1 - 16))
H4 2 (4:4 - 6) (She-Hulk is thrown back unconscious in front of Iron Man and Maria Hill)
KSH 1/2 (8) (was KSH 1 (17)) (She-Hulk wakes up with Maria Hill while Iron Man has gone after Red Hulk)
H4 2 (16 - 19) (was H4 2 (7 - 22)) (She-Hulk rescues Iron Man)

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Re: KSH 1/2

Post by Russ Chappell » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:44 am

michel wrote:
Russ Chappell wrote:3. KSH 1 was published several months after H4 2, so if they're truly retellings, they wouldn't be concurrent appearances. We would simply ignore KSH 1/2 (1 - 7).
OK, I didn't know this rule. Then is this correct ? :

SHE-HULK/JENNIFER WALTERS
(...)
H4 1
H4 2 (1 - 3) (was H4 2 (1 - 4:3))
KSH 1/2 (2 - 7) ~ H4 2 (4:1 - 4:3)-BTS (was KSH 1 (1 - 16))
I haven't gone to the books themselves yet, so just going by what you've told us here...

Again, the books weren't published at the same time, and there's no time travel involved, so they can't be concurrent appearances. Since in one story, the character is behind the scenes, and appears on-screen in the other, KSH 1/2 would "trump" H4 2, even though it was published later, so:

H4 1
H4 2 (1 - 3)
KSH 1/2 (2 - 7)
H4 2 (4:4 - 6)

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Re: KSH 1/2

Post by michel » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:32 am

Russ Chappell wrote:Again, the books weren't published at the same time, and there's no time travel involved, so they can't be concurrent appearances. Since in one story, the character is behind the scenes, and appears on-screen in the other, KSH 1/2 would "trump" H4 2, even though it was published later, so:

H4 1
H4 2 (1 - 3)
KSH 1/2 (2 - 7)
H4 2 (4:4 - 6)
Fine, then :

SHE-HULK/JENNIFER WALTERS
(...)
H4 1
H4 2 (1 - 3) (was H4 2 (1 - 4:3))
KSH 1/2 (2 - 7) (was KSH 1 (1 - 16))
H4 2 (4:4 - 6)
KSH 1/2 (8) (was KSH 1 (17))
H4 2 (7 - 19) (was H4 2 (7 - 22))
H4 3-FB
(...)

RED HULK/GEN. THADDEUS "THUNDERBOLT" ROSS
From Ross, Gen. Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross
KSH 1-FB
H4 1
H4 2 (1 - 3) (was H4 2 (1 - 4:3))
KSH 1/2 (2 - 7) (was KSH 1 (1 - 16))
remove H4 2 (4:4 - 6)-BTS
remove KSH 1 (17)
H4 2 (4:4 - 19) (was H4 2 (7 - 19))
HSA 5
H4 2 (20 - 22)
(...)

HILL, MARIA
(...)
H4 1
H4 2 (1 - 6) (was H4 2)
KSH 1/2 (8) (was KSH 1-FB)
add H4 2 (14&15:2)-VO
H4 3-FB
(...)

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