AXIS to SECRET WARS

Discuss chronologies for characters in the main "Marvel Universe"

Moderators: Paul Bourcier, Kevin W., Col_Fury, Arthur, JephYork, Somebody

User avatar
Col_Fury
Director
Director
Posts: 6294
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:37 am
Location: Illinois
Contact:

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Col_Fury » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:34 am

Thanks!

S.H.I.E.L.D. #1 says it's Coulson's "first day on the job." Does this mean he's Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.? When did that happen (what comic)? Or rather, when did Mria Hill stop being Director?

When did Sunspot buy A.I.M. (what comic)?

Aside from S.H.I.E.L.D., here's where we're at:

AXIS (Thanksgiving)
CA&MA 4
SUPIM 2 (8-20), 3-4 (DD’s still a lawyer)
Thor v? 1-4
NO5 25 (1-27) (shortly after AXIS, lady Thor & robot arm Thor appear)
SUPIM 5
ASM3 7-8
FF5 11 (15-20), 12-14 & FF 642-645 (1-31), FF 645-FB, FF 645/2, FF 645/3, FF 645 (32-35)
All-New Invaders 14-15
ASM @ v? 1
FF 645/4
SUPIM 6-9
ASM3 9-15 / SM2099V2 5-8 / SCARSPIS 1-3 SUPSM 32-33 / SVERSE 1-2 / SVERSETU 1-3 / S-W 5 1-4 (1-10)
GOTG @2 1
ANXF 18-20
UA2 1-5
S-H v? #12 (19-20)
Guardians Team-Up #1-2 (lady Thor appears) (classic suit Spider-Woman)
Iron Fist: Living Weapon 12 (7-22)
CM9 9-13 (Christmas)
[SM&X 1] (placeholder; start of school semester)
ANX 37
Thor @ v? 1
A5 34.1
A5 34.2 (classic suit Spider-Woman w/Avengers)
S-W5 4 (11-20) (Spider-Woman quits Avengers)
ANCA: FH 1-4
CA&MA 5-7, 8 (1-7)
Legendary Star-Lord #5-8
GOTG3 21-23 (Star-Lord elected president)
Cyclops v? #5-11
NO5 25 (28-30), #26-27, Annual
Black Vortex Alpha & Omega, GOTG3 24-25, Legendary Star-Lord #9-11, ANX 38-39, Guardians Team-Up #3, NO5 28, Cyclops v? #12, CM9 14 (3rd week of January)
ANCA 1-6
(Valentine’s Day)
ASM SPEC / INH SPEC / ANCA SPEC
S-W5 5-8 (Spider-Woman in new suit)
INH 13
MSM3 13-15
INH 14-15 & @ 1 (after MSM3 15)
CM9 15 (Captain Marvel done with GotG) (new suit Spider-Woman)
Thor v? 5-8
CA&MA 8 (8)
Ultron Forever: A / NA / UA
CA&MA 8 (9-11)
All-New Ghost Rider 11-12
CA&MA 8 (12)
A5 35 / NA3 25 (1-15)
NA3 24 / NA3 25 (16-20)
A5 37 (1-20)
A5 36
A5 37 (21-24)
NA3 26
CA&MA 8 (13-14:2)
A5 38 (& -FBs)
NA3 27
A5 39-41, 43-FB / NA3 28-30 / CA&MA 8 (14:3-20)
NA3 31-33
FCBD 2015: Secret Wars #0
A5 42-FBs
A5 42-44 (1-16)
Ant-Man: Last Days 1 (1-19)
UINH 0 (1-6)
A5 44 (17-26)
CA&MA 9 (1-3)
UINH 0 (7-22)
S-W5 9-10
BW v? 19-20
Secret Wars #0-1 / CA&MA 9 (4-20) / Ant-Man: Last Days #1 (20) / Magneto v? 18-21 / Loki #14-16 / MSM3 16-19 / Punisher v? #19-20 / Silk #7 / Guardians 3000 1-8
SECRET WARS
Loki #17 / Silver Surfer v? #13-16


Stuff that needs to get filled in:

All-New Hawkeye #1-5
All-New X-Men #40-41
All-New X-Men Annual #1
Amazing Spider-Man v3 #16-18, 16.1-20.1
Amazing X-Men v2 #15-19
Angela: Asgard’s Assassin #1-6
Ant-Man #1-5
Avengers World #17-21
Black Widow v? #12-18
Bucky Barnes: Winter Soldier #1-11
DD6 18 (14:3-21) (after any lawyer appearances)
Deadpool v5 #40-45
Deadpool vs. Thanos #1-?
Deathlok v? #1-10
Groot #1-?
Guardians of the Galaxy v3 #26-27
Guardians Team-Up #4-10
Howard the Duck v? #1-5
Hulk v? #5-16
Legendary Star-Lord #12
Loki: Agent of Asgard #10-13
Magneto v? #13-17
Moon Knight v? #7-17
Nightcrawler v? #8-12
Nova v5 #29-31
Punisher v? #10-18
Rocket Raccoon v2 #5-11
S.H.I.E.L.D. v3 #1-? (there are also some 50th Anniversary one-shots; after SW?)
Silk #1-6
Silver Surfer v? #6-12
Spider-Gwen #1-5
Spider-Man 2099 v2 #9-12
Spider-Man & the X-Men #1-6
Storm v? #9-11
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #1-8
Uncanny X-Men v3 #32-35
Uncanny X-Men Annual v? #1
Wolverines #1-20
X-Men v3 #23-26
-Daron Jensen

wolverine7230
Big Bad
Big Bad
Posts: 101
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:20 am

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by wolverine7230 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:27 am

In Avengers World #18, it is referenced that over that last ‘2 days’ he brought a company of evil scientists, which we can assume is AIM

Avengers World #19 continues from #18.

Avengers World #20 continues from #19.

This leaves us right on the doorstep of Avengers #35.

Avengers World #21 continues from #20, but we can assume that it takes place on the Day of New Avengers #24, as on the last page, we see Namor going to the Illuminati for help with the Cabal. We can assume that this happens shortly after New Avengers #24, where Doom refuses to help him. I’ve placed the whole issue here, however, because whilst he is eating with Doom, he has no wounds, yet on the final page he has one.

Also, don’t forget the final page (17) of Avengers World #17, ‘months’ after the main segment, and shortly before Avengers #35.

#21 doesn’t directly continue from #20, so it should work fine like this:
(Changes in Bold)

All-New Ghost Rider 11-12
Avengers World #17 (17), 18-20
A5 35 / NA3 25 (1-15)
NA3 24 / NA3 25 (16-20) – This part needs to look like this, before the two parts were separate.
Avengers World #21
A5 37 (1-20)

Of course, if Sunspot buying AIM has to happen earlier, we can make a much larger gap (weeks or maybe months) between #19 and #20. We can do this because the storyline continues indirectly. But whatever we do, Avengers World #20 really does flow well into Avengers #35.

Hope this helps!

wolverine

Clive_Reston
Hero
Hero
Posts: 56
Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:42 pm

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Clive_Reston » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:25 pm

Coulson's not Director of S.H.I.E.L.D., he's their Supreme Commander of Special Operations, apparently working under Hill.

User avatar
Col_Fury
Director
Director
Posts: 6294
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:37 am
Location: Illinois
Contact:

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Col_Fury » Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:01 pm

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

* * *

Spider-Man & the X-Men #1 shows Spider-Man starting a new class at the Jean Grey School, so any comics that have references to Spider-Man being a teacher there have to happen after this (like CA&MA 5).

SM&X 1-3 happen over two days.

SM&X 4-6 (1-28) start some time later, and happen over to days. SM&X 6 (29-30) happen a month later.

It's heavily implied that Spider-Man is only at the Jean Grey School for one semester. I'm assuming this means #1-3 happen in January at the start of the semester. #6 (29-30) isn't the end of the semester, but it's well into it. So, sometime before "mid-May."

* * *

Deathlok v? #1-2 happen over a week, Maria Hill and Domino appear.

#3 happens soon after, probably a day or three. Tony Stark appears in San Francisco, Domino’s still around.

#4 picks up from #3, and happens over a day or two. Domino’s still around.

#5 picks up from #4, and goes into the next day.

#6 picks up from #5, and happens over a day or three. Domino makes a comment that issue #1 was six months ago, but that’s plainly stupid (it’s a real-world publication time reference).

#7 starts shortly after #6, probably the next day, and happens in a day.

#8 picks up from #7, and happens in a day or two.

#9 picks up from #8, and happens in a day.

#10 picks up from #9 and ends the plot.

Basically, as long as this is after Axis for Iron Man and after X-Force for Domino, and before Secret Wars, we’re good.

* * *

Black Widow v? #12 feature a bunch of guest cameos; notably, Spider-Woman is in her classic suit and Punisher is eating breakfast (not in prison). Also, X-23 is in a gym, so not during a storyline over in the Wolverines series. Daredevil appears, but it’s not clear if he’s still a lawyer. Winter Soldier appears, for when we get around to his series. Happens in a day.

#13 starts the day after #12, and happens in a day. J. Jonah Jameson appears on TV, so after he gets his new job over in ASM.

#14 starts shortly after #13, and spans at least a week. #15 happens on the same day as the end of #14, and lasts a day. Winter Soldier appears. #16-17 are also the same day. #18 starts on the same day, then spans a few more days after that. Sam Wilson Cap appears in the later portion, and references his appearance over in Punisher’s book (he’s telling stories with Hawkeye and Captain Marvel, so we don’t know if that was recent or not). Also, Captain Marvel appears on Earth.

#19-20 are “Last Days” tie-ins, and involves Black Widow flaying a ship of survivors as the world ends (they’re mostly flashbacks).

* * *

Punisher v? #10 has Punisher getting ready to break out of a South American prison (he spent AXIs in prison, remember? Not because of any reference in a story, but because of the timing needed by crossing over with Black Widow’s book and for him to heal from his injuries). Lasts a day or two

#11 picks up from #10; Punisher breaks out of Prison and stars making his way back to the States.

#12 starts a day or so after #11, and riots stars in LA. Lasts a day or two.

#13 lasts minutes (it’s mostly flashbacks), and happens on the same night as #12’s end.

#14 happens on the same night as #13.

#15 starts on the same night as #14, and probably goes into the next day.

#16 starts the day after #15 (or could be that night), and Captain America (Sam Wilson) shows up.

#17 picks up from #16, and lasts at least two days, if not a little longer.

#18 picks up from #17, lasts at least a day, and the plot’s finished.

#19-20 are “Last Days” tie-ins, which we’ve briefly talked about earlier.

So, Punisher v? #10-18 are continuous, and lasts about a week? Captain America appears.

Black Widow v? #12-18 has to start after Punisher v? #18 (because Punisher’s free to appear after that), has to happen before S-W5 5 (because of Spider-Woman’s costume), X-23 appears, so either before Wolverines starts or during a break within it, and Cap references Punisher v? #10-18 at the end.

* * *

HULK!

I recall there was some kind of problem with the Hulk’s recent chronology. What was it again? (looks around) Oh, yeah, the alternate reality Hulk thing.

As we have it now, Banner gets fixed by Iron Man with Extremis (in Hulk #4) before original Sin.

Then, Original Sin happens, and in the Hulk/Iron Man mini, Hulk uses Extremis (again) to upgrade himself to Doc Green. He’s still switching from Banner to Hulk at this point.

Then, “shortly” afterward in A5 25-28 / NA3 16-23 / A5 29-34, Banner secretly joins the Illuminati while an alternate reality Hulk is imprisoned. The world thinks it’s the real Banner that’s imprisoned.

Then, AXIS happens. Hulk is fairly prominent in this crossover (and is intelligent, like the Doc Green version is), so I guess people know he’s not “locked up” anymore by now.

Then, shortly after AXIS, Hulk/Doc Green shows up at the Baxter Building and asks the Fantastic Four if he can use it. No one seems surprised the Hulk showed up.

Then in Nova v5, Hulk/Doc Green (now with a beard) is already using the Baxter Building.

Then, “eight months later” in A5 35-44 / NA3 24-33, Banner’s still with the Illuminati.

It really looks like the whole “the world thinks the real Hulk is locked up” thing was pretty much ignored by everyone. We’ll have to assume that the word got out to S.H.I.E.L.D. somewhere off-panel before the AXIS crossover.

Let’s look at Hulk’s book, and see how things line up:

Hulk v? #5 has Hulk/Doc Green using an old Enclave base; Hulk is actively trying to not turn into Banner and starts hunting other Hulk-characters. Spans three weeks.

#6 continues from last issue, happens in a day; MODOK is still with S.H.I.E.L.D.

The Annual starts after Hulk starts hunting Hulks (so during #5?) ad spans weeks; Hulk doesn’t appear in the first page.

#7 starts some time later, happens in a day.

#8 starts same day as #7, and has a flashback to “three days ago,” so before #7. Lasts a day.

#9 starts a few days after #8 and lasts two days. Hulk decides to grow a beard.

#10 has Daredevil doing lawyer stuff and happens in a day. Hulk is now using the Baxter Building and has no beard yet (when he appears in FF asking to use the Baxter Building, he has no beard).

#11 starts some time later, lasts a day, and Hulk now has a beard.

#12 starts some time later (but not long after) last issue and lasts three days; Hulk chats w/Maria Hill, who doesn’t seem surprised that Hulk isn’t imprisoned.

#13 is the day after #12, aged Steve Rogers appears, doesn’t seem surprised that Hulk isn’t imprisoned.

#14-15 (1-18) happen on the same day as #13, then #15 (19-20) are a week later. The new Thor appears.

#16 happens on the same day as #15 (19-20).

FF 645 was published the same month as Hulk v? #14-15, but has to happen at least before #10.

NO5 27 was published the same month as Hulk v? #11 and the Annual was published the same month as Hulk v? #12-13. These likely happen between Hulk v? #10-11.
-Daron Jensen

Clive_Reston
Hero
Hero
Posts: 56
Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:42 pm

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Clive_Reston » Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:16 pm

Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #1-4 have to happen when Galactus is in the 616 universe, so presumably after All-New Invaders #5.

Thor is a woman as of USG #5.

USG #6-8 happen sometime after Thor #4. The Avengers in Avengers Tower include Wilson as Cap, Old Steve, Hawkeye, Spider-Man and Black Widow, although there's some mind-control going on, which could explain a lot.

User avatar
Col_Fury
Director
Director
Posts: 6294
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:37 am
Location: Illinois
Contact:

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Col_Fury » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:37 pm

Yep, Rattatosk is making everybody nuts. :)

The new Thor goes to Asgard in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #8, so this should probably happen before Thor v? #5-8, where she's told to stay out of Asgard (because Odin's being a jerk).

Squirrel Girl starts going to school in #1, and it's implied it's the start of the fall semester. However, placing it that far back would put it before All-New Invaders #5, where Galactus comes back to Earth-616. So, I think this should go around the time of Spider-Man & the X-Men #1, which is the start of the spring semester.

Thanks!

* * *

Ant-Man #1 lasts AT LEAST three days, but is longer than that. One day and the next for Ant-Man to apply for a job at Stark Industries (it’s a post-AXIS Tony Stark), then quickly move to Florida (he finds out his ex and daughter are moving as they’re loading a moving van). So… a month? However long it takes to get rid of a New York apartment lease, take a plane to Florida, and move in somewhere there (even though it looks like he’s not living in an apartment, but rather living in a toy when he shrinks himself down. But how does he get electricity and a toilet?).

Ant-Man #2 starts soon after #1 (probably a few days later), and lasts AT LEAST two days, but is longer than that. One day and the next for Ant-Man to get a loan, then however long it takes to get a billboard put up. So… a week? Two? Tony Stark appears again, this time preparing to sue Ant-Man over the billboard.

Ant-Man #3 starts soon after #2 (a day or two?), and lasts a day.

Ant-Man #4 stars on the same night as #3, and lasts that night into the next day.

Ant-Man #5 starts on the same day as #4’s end, and lasts AT LEAST two days, but is longer than that (long enough for Cassie Lang to recover in the hospital from a heart transplant, so… four weeks? four months?).

* * *

Moon Knight v? #7 happens in a night. #8 happens relatively soon after, and a phone says it’s “Friday, 11 April.” #9 happens relatively soon after, and happens in an hour. #10 stars the next day, and lasts two days. #11 starts the same day, and lasts AT LEAST two days, if not long. Who knows? #12 starts the same day as #11’s end, and lasts a day or two. No breaks in the story for Moon Knight to appears elsewhere.

#13 happens in a night. Solo story.

#14 happens over a night or two. Solo story.

#15 happens in a night. Solo story, but it sets up the next two issues (Khonshu is empowering other avatars). #16 happens in a night, and Moon Knight finds another avatar. #17 happens in a night. Moon Knight has researched the group from last issue and attacks their boss.
-Daron Jensen

Michael
Chronology Guru
Chronology Guru
Posts: 1173
Joined: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:41 am

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Michael » Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:49 am

Col_Fury wrote:Yep, Rattatosk is making everybody nuts. :)

Ant-Man #1 lasts AT LEAST three days, but is longer than that. One day and the next for Ant-Man to apply for a job at Stark Industries (it’s a post-AXIS Tony Stark), then quickly move to Florida (he finds out his ex and daughter are moving as they’re loading a moving van). So… a month? However long it takes to get rid of a New York apartment lease, take a plane to Florida, and move in somewhere there (even though it looks like he’s not living in an apartment, but rather living in a toy when he shrinks himself down. But how does he get electricity and a toilet?).

Ant-Man #2 starts soon after #1 (probably a few days later), and lasts AT LEAST two days, but is longer than that. One day and the next for Ant-Man to get a loan, then however long it takes to get a billboard put up. So… a week? Two? Tony Stark appears again, this time preparing to sue Ant-Man over the billboard.

Ant-Man #3 starts soon after #2 (a day or two?), and lasts a day.

Ant-Man #4 stars on the same night as #3, and lasts that night into the next day.

Ant-Man #5 starts on the same day as #4’s end, and lasts AT LEAST two days, but is longer than that (long enough for Cassie Lang to recover in the hospital from a heart transplant, so… two weeks?).
One other weird thing about Ant-Man 2-5- it's implied that the reason the other heroes won't answer Scott's calls is because Tony Stark convinced the other heroes to blacklist him but I can't think of any time post-Axis where a request by Stark to blacklist Scott wouldn't be treated with EXTREME suspicion.

Clive_Reston
Hero
Hero
Posts: 56
Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:42 pm

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Clive_Reston » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:32 am

Ahh, just noticed (actually my 10-year-old pointed out): Unbeatable Squirrel Girl v 1 #8 ends with Odinson and Loki having a brotherly moment together and a note that "as long as you don't read Loki: Agent of Asgard #10, this happy feeling can last forever!" Definitely pre-Loki #10.

Loki, Agent of Asgard #10-13 (up to page 14) are nearly continuous action, happening maybe a few days after Axis--everyone's still got "inversion hangovers." Per editorial notes, they're after Thor #4, Angela #2 and Bucky Barnes: The Winter Soldier #2. Then there's a "timequake," and Loki's transported about eight months forward to the Final Incursion--the Ultimate Earth is visible in the sky--so the late-in-the-chronology bit is Loki #13 (15-20)-16, and Loki can't really appear anywhere else between the beginning of #10 and the Final Incursion.

Ms. Marvel #12 is going to cause some headaches. An editorial note on the first page indicates that it happens pre-Axis, and it involves a distinctly un-Inverted Loki... but it's set at a Valentine's Day dance.

User avatar
Col_Fury
Director
Director
Posts: 6294
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:37 am
Location: Illinois
Contact:

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:39 pm

Clive_Reston wrote:Ahh, just noticed (actually my 10-year-old pointed out): Unbeatable Squirrel Girl v 1 #8 ends with Odinson and Loki having a brotherly moment together and a note that "as long as you don't read Loki: Agent of Asgard #10, this happy feeling can last forever!" Definitely pre-Loki #10.
That's an eagle-eyed kid, good find! :)
Clive_Reston wrote:Loki, Agent of Asgard #10-13 (up to page 14) are nearly continuous action, happening maybe a few days after Axis--everyone's still got "inversion hangovers." Per editorial notes, they're after Thor #4, Angela #2 and Bucky Barnes: The Winter Soldier #2. Then there's a "timequake," and Loki's transported about eight months forward to the Final Incursion--the Ultimate Earth is visible in the sky--so the late-in-the-chronology bit is Loki #13 (15-20)-16, and Loki can't really appear anywhere else between the beginning of #10 and the Final Incursion.
I'll need to keep an eye out for post-AXIS Loki appearances; as you say these need to be his past pre-Secret Wars appearances, so we'll see how "soon" after AXIS these end up being. Hopefully he doesn't have too many appearances elsewhere (at a glance, it looks like just the Angela series, as late as #5).

Also, Loki #13 tells us what "Eight Months Later" is eight months after. The final incursion is eight months after Loki #10. So, if Time Runs Out starts two weeks before the final incursion, then eight months later is two weeks before Loki #10... or roughly the AXIS crossover. :)
Clive_Reston wrote:Ms. Marvel #12 is going to cause some headaches. An editorial note on the first page indicates that it happens pre-Axis, and it involves a distinctly un-Inverted Loki... but it's set at a Valentine's Day dance.
I completely missed that note, and nothing stuck out as me as strange for Loki because I hadn't read his post-AXIS issues yet. Good point!

As for the Valentine's Day dance, I suppose we can assume it was a typo for a Sweetest Day dance, or something.

Thanks!

* * *

Speaking of Angela: Asgard's Assassin, I just read it.

#1-6 happen in short order. As mentioned, it all has to happen before Loki #10. Also, the Guardians of the Galaxy appear, and should happen before the Black Vortex crossover. Which reminds me, Gamora is transformed during that crossover, so any appearances she makes while "normal" should probably go before that crossover (unless, of course, she's shown to be able to alter her appearance).

* * *

Silver Surfer v? #8-12 happen off in space. Galactus appears, and publication order says this should be before his appearances in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl. "Months" pass between #11-12.

* * *

Guardians of the Galaxy #26-27 have the Guardians celebrating their victory after the Black Vortex thing. Star-Lord is found by the Spartax and confronted about him being elected President. The Guardians go to Spartax and fight some attacking Chitauri aliens. Star-Lord can’t decide whether to be President or not. Captain Marvel’s not around, so she’s already quit.

* * *

Legendary Star-Lord #12 doesn’t even feature Star-Lord (he’s in a flashback, though), but rather his sister. After the Black Vortex crossover, not that it matters that much.

* * *

Nova v5 #29-31 happens at the end of the school year (so, mid-to-late May) (and, the new Nova finally gets around to telling Rich Ryder’s family that Rich is dead), with no mention of how long it’s been since the Black Vortex crossover, so that’s nice. Rocket Raccoon appears (no mention of Star-Lord or the Guardians), as does Captain Marvel (in space).

* * *

Rocket Raccoon v2 #5 is a one-off story that happens in a night (off in space). There’s a flashback featuring the Guardians; just Rocket & Groot are in the main story.

#6 is another one-off story. Just Rocket this time, but Cosmo makes an appearance.

#7-9 feature Rocket & Groot; Star-Lord makes a cameo in #8. Published during the Black Vortex crossover.

#10-11 is a loose ends story featuring Rocket & Groot; Rocket ends up in prison at the end.

#5-9 are likely before the Black Vortex crossover; #10-11 are likely afterward. Also, #10-11 are likely after Rocket’s appearances in Nova v5 #29-31.
-Daron Jensen

User avatar
Col_Fury
Director
Director
Posts: 6294
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:37 am
Location: Illinois
Contact:

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:27 pm

Still aside from S.H.I.E.L.D. (#1 features a Hulk appearance, so likely either before Hulk v? #5 or after #16, #2 has A.I.M. as bad guys, so before AWORLD 18), here's where we're at:

AXIS (Thanksgiving)
CA&MA 4
SUPIM 2 (8-20), 3-4 (DD’s still a lawyer)
Thor v? 1-4
NO5 25 (1-27) (shortly after AXIS, lady Thor & robot arm Thor appear)
AWORLD 17 (1-19)
SUPIM 5
ASM3 7-8
FF5 11 (15-20), 12-14 & FF 642-645 (1-31), FF 645-FB, FF 645/2, FF 645/3, FF 645 (32-35)
All-New Invaders 14-15
Punisher v? 10-18
ASM @ v? 1
FF 645/4
Hulk v? 5 (start)
SUPIM 6-9
Black Widow v? 12-18
ASM3 9-15 / SM2099V2 5-8 / SCARSPIS 1-3 SUPSM 32-33 / SVERSE 1-2 / SVERSETU 1-3 / S-W 5 1-4 (1-10)
GOTG @2 1
ANXF 18-20
UA2 1-5
S-H v? #12 (19-20)
Deathlok v? 1-10
ROCRAC2 5
Hulk v? 5 (end)-6
Angela: Asgard’s Assassin 1-6
Guardians Team-Up #1-2 (lady Thor appears) (classic suit Spider-Woman)
Iron Fist: Living Weapon 12 (7-22)
CM9 9-13 (Christmas)
Silver Surfer v? 8-11
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 1-4 (start of school semester)
SM&X 1-3 (start of school semester)
ANX 37
Hulk Annual v? 1
ROCRAC2 6
Hulk v? 7-10
Ant-Man 1
Thor @ v? 1
A5 34.1
A5 34.2 (classic suit Spider-Woman w/Avengers)
S-W5 4 (11-20) (Spider-Woman quits Avengers)
ROCRAC2 7-9
ANCA: FH 1-4
CA&MA 5-7, 8 (1-7)
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl 5-8
Loki 10-13 (1-14)
Legendary Star-Lord #5-8
GOTG3 21-23 (Star-Lord elected president)
Cyclops v? #5-11
NO5 25 (28-30), #26-27, Annual
Black Vortex Alpha & Omega, GOTG3 24-25, Legendary Star-Lord #9-11, ANX 38-39, Guardians Team-Up #3, NO5 28, Cyclops v? #12, CM9 14 (3rd week of January)
Ant-Man 2
ANCA 1-6
(Valentine’s Day)
ASM SPEC / INH SPEC / ANCA SPEC
S-W5 5-8 (Spider-Woman in new suit)
Ant-Man 3-5
INH 13
MSM3 13-15
INH 14-15 & @ 1 (after MSM3 15)
CM9 15 (Captain Marvel done with GotG) (new suit Spider-Woman)
Legendary Star-Lord 12
GOTG3 26-27
Thor v? 5-8
Hulk v? 11-16
Moon Knight v? 7-12
DD6 18 (14:3-21) (after any lawyer appearances)
SM&X 4-6 (1-28)
CA&MA 8 (8)
Ultron Forever: A / NA / UA
SM&X 6 (29-30)
Moon Knight v? 13-17 (April)
NO5 29-31 (May)
ROCRAC2 10-11
CA&MA 8 (9-11)
Silver Surfer v? 12
All-New Ghost Rider 11-12
CA&MA 8 (12)
AWORLD 17 (20), 18-20
A5 35 / NA3 25 (1-15)
NA3 24 / NA3 25 (16-20)
AWORLD 21
A5 37 (1-20)
A5 36
A5 37 (21-24)
NA3 26
CA&MA 8 (13-14:2)
A5 38 (& -FBs)
NA3 27
A5 39-41, 43-FB / NA3 28-30 / CA&MA 8 (14:3-20)
NA3 31-33
FCBD 2015: Secret Wars #0
A5 42-FBs
A5 42-44 (1-16)
Ant-Man: Last Days 1 (1-19)
UINH 0 (1-6)
A5 44 (17-26)
CA&MA 9 (1-3)
UINH 0 (7-22)
S-W5 9-10
BW v? 19-20
Secret Wars #0-1 / CA&MA 9 (4-20) / Ant-Man: Last Days #1 (20) / Magneto v? 18-21 / Loki #13 (15-20), 14-16 / MSM3 16-19 / Punisher v? #19-20 / Silk #7 / Guardians 3000 1-8
SECRET WARS
Loki #17 / Silver Surfer v? #13-16


Stuff that needs to get filled in:

All-New Hawkeye #1-5
All-New X-Men #40-41
Amazing Spider-Man v3 #16-18, 16.1-20.1
Amazing X-Men v2 #15-19
Deadpool v5 #40-45
Deadpool vs. Thanos #1-?
Groot #1-?
Guardians Team-Up #4-10
Howard the Duck v? #1-5
Magneto v? #13-17
Nightcrawler v? #8-12
S.H.I.E.L.D. v3 #1-? (there are also some 50th Anniversary one-shots; before SW? after?)
Silk #1-6
Spider-Gwen #1-5
Spider-Man 2099 v2 #9-12
Storm v? #9-11
Uncanny X-Men v3 #32-35
Wolverines #1-20
X-Men v3 #23-26

It's starting to look manageable!
-Daron Jensen

Clive_Reston
Hero
Hero
Posts: 56
Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:42 pm

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Clive_Reston » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:04 am

Howard the Duck #1-5 happen over the course of a week or so; Spider-Man, the Guardians of the Galaxy, She-Hulk, Dr. Strange, the Fantastic Four, Silk, Iron Fist, Captain America/Wilson and Spider-Woman (in her new costume) all appear.

Howard the Duck #1 takes place at some point after the final pages of She-Hulk #12 (Howard's office is in Jen's building).

As of HtD #3, the Ringmaster's eyes seem to have gotten better after Fraction/Aja's Hawkeye #2 (per Amazing Spider-Man #19.1, he's using "black market tech" to see). Also, the Punisher's in HtD #3/2, so it's definitely after Punisher #18.

HtD #5 includes a small, ridiculous continuity insert that takes place immediately after Fantastic Four (1961) #2, for what it's worth.

User avatar
Col_Fury
Director
Director
Posts: 6294
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:37 am
Location: Illinois
Contact:

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Col_Fury » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:56 am

Thanks!

Guardians Team-Up #4 features Gamora and She-Hulk. She-Hulk’s supporting cast appears, so this is likely after She-Hulk v? #12 (published two months after that). However, Gamora’s not cosmically powered here. Last issue was a tie-in to the story where she became cosmically powered…

Guardians Team-Up #5 features Rocket Raccoon (published the same month as ROCRAC2 11), Cosmo and the Pet Avengers. Likely before ROCRAC2 10.

Guardians Team-Up #6 features Gamora and Nightcrawler (published three months after his series ended). Again, Gamora’s not cosmically powered here…

Guardians Team-Up #7 features Star-Lord, Drax, Gamora, Rocket Raccoon, Groot and Ant-Man (published two months after Ant-Man #5). The Guardians are relaxing at a space spa, but again, Gamora’s not cosmically powered here…

Guardians Team-Up #8 features Groot and Silver Surfer (published the same month as SS v? 13). Most likely after SS v? 12.

Guardians Team-Up #9 features Star-Lord, Spider-Man and Black Cat. An editorial captions says this happens “some time ago” and takes place on New Year’s Eve.

Guardians Team-Up #10 features Rocket Raccoon and Deadpool (published four months after DPOOL5 45, but doesn’t Deadpool die there?). I’m not caught up on Deadpool’s series yet, so I’m not sure how this would fit at the moment.

I’m not sure what to make of Gamora in these issues. In theory, it means that Gamora can resume her normal, non-cosmic look after the Black Vortex crossover. But then, why doesn’t she use her cosmic powers in any of these stories? I can guess what the real-world answer is, but still…

* * *

Deadpool v5 #40 happens in the winter time.

Deadpool v5 #41-44 happen in January. Deadpool gets back to "normal" following AXIS and gets back on good terms with his wife. The last page is a cliffhanger that leads directly into next issue, but only a bunch of ULTIMATUM guys appear on that page.

Deadpool v5 #45 spans a week (or so) and ends with the final incursion. Yes, this issue wants to continue from last issue (Deadpool leaves on a plane in #44 and he's still on the plane in #45), but there has to be a break somewhere (between pages 19-20 of last issue) to allow Deadpool to appear in other books before the universe ends. Then there are a bunch of backup stories.

DPOOL5 45/2 involves Deadpool teaching his wife about pop culture. Aged Steve Rogers appears. Probably happens between #44-45.

DPOOL5 45/3 involves Deadpool gets Beast's help to save a dog. Again, probably between #44-45.

DPOOL5 45/4 involves Deadpool and Evan (the kid Apocalypse) following AXIS. A recent flashback features the Reavers and Aunt May. Again, probably between #44-45.

DPOOL5 45/5 involves Agent Adsit, Phil Coulson and Spider-Man. Published same month as S.H.I.E.L.D. v3 #5. You guessed it, probably between #44-45.

DPOOL5 45/6 involves Ben Franklin's ghost and the Thing. Yep, probably between #44-45.

DPOOL5 45/7 involves Magic Mike meeting his girlfriend's parents. I wonder… yeah, probably between #44-45.

DPOOL5 45/8 involves Thanos flying a helicopter with his name stenciled on the side of it during the Infinity Gauntlet crossover. I don't think this one's canon.
-Daron Jensen

wolverine7230
Big Bad
Big Bad
Posts: 101
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:20 am

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by wolverine7230 » Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:37 pm

Speaking of Deadpool stories of debatable canon, is Deadpool's Secret Secret Wars canon? I've only read #1-2 (of 4) so far, and while it doesn't completely stick to the story, all of the additional dialogue etc could be off-panel/behind the scenes. It's probably not, but worth asking.

Also, Col_Fury, where are we going to go after this era. I mean, we can't really do the next era, seeing as Marvel's next crossover hasn't been announced, yet alone published, so I guess that the only way to go is back. That Would take us to Secret Wars - Utopia. Am I right? I know that I really do enjoy helping out with these, and it really would be a shame having to wait a year between eras....

But, you're the admin, and I'll go with whatever you decide.

Many Thanks!

wolverine

User avatar
Russ Chappell
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 4292
Joined: Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:40 pm
Location: Tuscaloosa, AL
Contact:

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by Russ Chappell » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:28 pm

wolverine7230 wrote:But, you're the admin, and I'll go with whatever you decide.
Image

wolverine7230
Big Bad
Big Bad
Posts: 101
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:20 am

Re: AXIS to SECRET WARS

Post by wolverine7230 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:44 am

LOL sorry, I meant mod. :D

Post Reply