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Marvel Two-in-One #1

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:53 am
by scottandrewhutchins
After omitting it from the omnibus hardcover, this issue is included in the new The Man-Thing by Steve Gerber trade paperback. It follows this site in placing Marvel Two-in-One #1 between Fear #17 and 18. I remember criticizing this placement on these boards some years ago. The issue came out the same month as The Man-Thing #1, and fits most comfortably between #1 and #2. I do not understand the rationale for placing it earlier. Could someone please explain it to me? It feels intrusive in the earlier position.

Re: Marvel Two-in-One #1

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:49 pm
by Russ Chappell
scottandrewhutchins wrote:I do not understand the rationale for placing it earlier. Could someone please explain it to me?
If you're asking for the Chronology Project's rationale for placing it there, I don't maintain extensive notes for the rationales behind placement, but a long standing policy here is that simply finding another placement that makes sense isn't good enough to change the listings, since, ideally, we've looked at a wide range of characters and sources to arrive at our placements. You have to show that the current placement CAN'T WORK.

I do have a theory, but the books I need are in a not-easily-accessible box. We show that Man-Thing appears in A 118 between AIF 17 and M/TIO 1. I SUSPECT that this placement comes from one of the Avengers Indices (either 1987 or 1994).

This leads to the conclusion that M/TIO 1 occurs between AIF 17 and AIF 18. If my theory is right, you'd have to approach the creators of the Official Avengers Index to glean their reasoning.

Re: Marvel Two-in-One #1

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:41 pm
by scottandrewhutchins
Man-Thing's appearance in A 118 is one panel.

Re: Marvel Two-in-One #1

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:09 pm
by Col_Fury
scottandrewhutchins wrote:Man-Thing's appearance in A 118 is one panel.
I don't see how that's relevant.

Man-Thing appears in A 118, right? It's not a statue, or hallucination or something, but an actual appearance? The extent of his involvement shouldn't matter; the story happens when it happens.

Russ' point is, the placement of M/TIO 1 likely came from one of the Official Marvel Index to the Avengers series', which would have said something like "Man-Thing last appears in AIF 17, then here (A 118), and next appears in M/TIO 1" (of course, that means M/TIO 1 is before AIF 18, according to the Index). I don't have either the 1987 or 1994 Index series handy to check, but that theory makes sense (since this site is largely based off of those Index series').

Anyway, you asked what the reasoning was for why the MCP placed M/TIO 1 where it is; the most likely answer is "because that's where one of the Avengers Index series placed it."

Now, if you want to know why the Index placed it there (which is what it sounds like), we couldn't speak for the people who put those together 20-25 years ago. We could probably speculate, but speculation wouldn't answer that question.

Re: Marvel Two-in-One #1

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:16 pm
by Paul Bourcier
OFFICIAL MARVEL INDEX TO THE AVENGERS #6 (George Olshevsky, June 1988):
Under the entry for Avengers #118 --
"The Man-Thing (in between ADVENTURE INTO FEAR #17 and MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE #1)"

OFFICIAL MARVEL INDEX TO THE AVENGERS #2 (Murray Ward, Nov 1994):
Under the entry for Avengers #118 --
"the Man-Thing (last in Fear #17; next in Marvel Two-In-One #1)"

Re: Marvel Two-in-One #1

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:22 pm
by Col_Fury
Thanks, Paul!

Re: Marvel Two-in-One #1

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:17 pm
by scottandrewhutchins
I still think it's placed poorly because of the Jennifer Kale pages, which seem to suggest consecutive nights.

Re: Marvel Two-in-One #1

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:00 pm
by Col_Fury
This is the first time I recall hearing anything about Jennifer Kale.

Tell us about it, and pretend none of us have read any of these comics when you explain things.

Thanks!