It's a longshot
Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 4:57 pm
While investigating the problem with FF#285 and SECWARSII#6 I ran across a couple of other clashes, this time around SECWARSII#5 and both to do with the Longshot limited series.
The 1st 1 also involves DS2#75.
DOCTOR STRANGE II/DR. STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE/"STEPHEN SANDERS"
....
DS2 74
VIS&SCRW2 4
DS2 75 **
SECWARSII 5
LSHOT 5 **
LSHOT 6 **
VIS&SCRW2 6
PPSSM 115
AF 36
M/FAN 41
VIS&SCRW2 11
PPSSM 117
VIS&SCRW2 12
M/FAN 31/2
M/GN:DS
DSSS@ 3/3
DS2 76
....
WONG II
....
DS2 74
LSHOT 5 **
LSHOT 6 **
DS2 75 **
M/FAN 41-BTS
PPSSM 115
VIS&SCRW2 12
DS2 76
....
WOLFE, SARA
....
DS2 74
LSHOT 6 **
DS2 75 **
DSSS@ 3/3
DS2 76
....
Sara Wolfe and Wong disagree with Dr Strange about the order of LSHOT#5-6 and DS2#75.
There are no particular clues in the Longshot issues to place them, apart from the presence of Sara Wolfe which locates them in a fairly long section of DS2. DrS is the main guy in his own mag so the obvious solution would be to change Sara and Wong's chronologies to match his.
However the only solid link is having the Secret Wars tie-in DS2#74 before SECWARSII#5. Strictly speaking it's before DrS's appearance there in the final pages fighting the Beyonder alongside the Avengers and the FF. More significantly it's in the Beyonder's period of depression *after* most of SECWARSII#5:-
BEYONDER
....
SECWARSII 5 (1 - 22)
TG 30
DS2 74
SECWARSII 5 (23)
....
There are few other links that position the LSHOT series this closely.
SHE-HULK/JENNIFER WALTERS
....
SECWARSII 5
LSHOT 4
....
puts an earlier issue after the last bit of SECWARSII#5.
The combination of
WOLVERINE/"LOGAN"/JAMES HOWLETT
....
SECWARSII 5
UX 199
....
and
SPIRAL/RITA WAYWORD
....
{UX 199}
LSHOT 3
LSHOT 4
LSHOT 5
LSHOT 6
....
at least has the LSHOT issues after the earlier bulk of SECWARSII#5, but that doesn't discriminate between Doc and his companion's positions.
I have another suggestion. DS2#75 isn't strongly linked to #74. It continues a domestic subplot, but I would contend #75 has *more* of a direct connection to #76 where DrS investigates the mystery of Topaz who he rescued in #75. So I propose moving DS2#75 slightly. I could argue moving it very close to #76, but I'll content myself with moving it far enough to solve the current problem:-
DOCTOR STRANGE II/DR. STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE/"STEPHEN SANDERS"
....
DS2 74
VIS&SCRW2 4
SECWARSII 5
LSHOT 5
LSHOT 6
DS2 75 moved from before SECWARSII 5
VIS&SCRW2 6
PPSSM 115
AF 36
M/FAN 41
VIS&SCRW2 11
PPSSM 117
VIS&SCRW2 12
M/FAN 31/2
M/GN:DS
DSSS@ 3/3
DS2 76
....
As I mentioned the Longshot issues aren't particular where they fit with DS2#75. And DS2#74 is the only issue that connects to SECWARSII#5. (VIS&SCRW2#4 is just a cameo where DrS gives pregnant Wanda a medical exam before referring her to a more conventional colleague.)
Eagle-eyed readers may have noticed another clash in the chronologies:-
DOCTOR STRANGE II/DR. STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE/"STEPHEN SANDERS"
....
LSHOT 6
VIS&SCRW2 6
PPSSM 115 **
AF 36
M/FAN 41 **
VIS&SCRW2 11
PPSSM 117
VIS&SCRW2 12
....
WONG II
....
LSHOT 6
DS2 75
M/FAN 41-BTS **
PPSSM 115 **
VIS&SCRW2 12
....
There's a disagreement about the order of M/FAN#41 and PPSSM#115.
M/FAN#41 *only* has DrS and Wong (who is BTS because he's asleep). DrS falls foul of a nameless dreaming god. This is 1 of those Fanfare tales with no particular chronological clues, which has been inserted a couple of years before it was published. 1 panel of sleeping Wong certainly can be placed anywhen. So I'd just change his listing to fit:-
WONG II
....
LSHOT 6
DS2 75
PPSSM 115
M/FAN 41-BTS moved from before PPSSM 115
VIS&SCRW2 12
....
That wasn't the 2nd problem with the Longshot series. But I'll save that for another thread because it's quite separate.
The 1st 1 also involves DS2#75.
DOCTOR STRANGE II/DR. STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE/"STEPHEN SANDERS"
....
DS2 74
VIS&SCRW2 4
DS2 75 **
SECWARSII 5
LSHOT 5 **
LSHOT 6 **
VIS&SCRW2 6
PPSSM 115
AF 36
M/FAN 41
VIS&SCRW2 11
PPSSM 117
VIS&SCRW2 12
M/FAN 31/2
M/GN:DS
DSSS@ 3/3
DS2 76
....
WONG II
....
DS2 74
LSHOT 5 **
LSHOT 6 **
DS2 75 **
M/FAN 41-BTS
PPSSM 115
VIS&SCRW2 12
DS2 76
....
WOLFE, SARA
....
DS2 74
LSHOT 6 **
DS2 75 **
DSSS@ 3/3
DS2 76
....
Sara Wolfe and Wong disagree with Dr Strange about the order of LSHOT#5-6 and DS2#75.
There are no particular clues in the Longshot issues to place them, apart from the presence of Sara Wolfe which locates them in a fairly long section of DS2. DrS is the main guy in his own mag so the obvious solution would be to change Sara and Wong's chronologies to match his.
However the only solid link is having the Secret Wars tie-in DS2#74 before SECWARSII#5. Strictly speaking it's before DrS's appearance there in the final pages fighting the Beyonder alongside the Avengers and the FF. More significantly it's in the Beyonder's period of depression *after* most of SECWARSII#5:-
BEYONDER
....
SECWARSII 5 (1 - 22)
TG 30
DS2 74
SECWARSII 5 (23)
....
There are few other links that position the LSHOT series this closely.
SHE-HULK/JENNIFER WALTERS
....
SECWARSII 5
LSHOT 4
....
puts an earlier issue after the last bit of SECWARSII#5.
The combination of
WOLVERINE/"LOGAN"/JAMES HOWLETT
....
SECWARSII 5
UX 199
....
and
SPIRAL/RITA WAYWORD
....
{UX 199}
LSHOT 3
LSHOT 4
LSHOT 5
LSHOT 6
....
at least has the LSHOT issues after the earlier bulk of SECWARSII#5, but that doesn't discriminate between Doc and his companion's positions.
I have another suggestion. DS2#75 isn't strongly linked to #74. It continues a domestic subplot, but I would contend #75 has *more* of a direct connection to #76 where DrS investigates the mystery of Topaz who he rescued in #75. So I propose moving DS2#75 slightly. I could argue moving it very close to #76, but I'll content myself with moving it far enough to solve the current problem:-
DOCTOR STRANGE II/DR. STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE/"STEPHEN SANDERS"
....
DS2 74
VIS&SCRW2 4
SECWARSII 5
LSHOT 5
LSHOT 6
DS2 75 moved from before SECWARSII 5
VIS&SCRW2 6
PPSSM 115
AF 36
M/FAN 41
VIS&SCRW2 11
PPSSM 117
VIS&SCRW2 12
M/FAN 31/2
M/GN:DS
DSSS@ 3/3
DS2 76
....
As I mentioned the Longshot issues aren't particular where they fit with DS2#75. And DS2#74 is the only issue that connects to SECWARSII#5. (VIS&SCRW2#4 is just a cameo where DrS gives pregnant Wanda a medical exam before referring her to a more conventional colleague.)
Eagle-eyed readers may have noticed another clash in the chronologies:-
DOCTOR STRANGE II/DR. STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE/"STEPHEN SANDERS"
....
LSHOT 6
VIS&SCRW2 6
PPSSM 115 **
AF 36
M/FAN 41 **
VIS&SCRW2 11
PPSSM 117
VIS&SCRW2 12
....
WONG II
....
LSHOT 6
DS2 75
M/FAN 41-BTS **
PPSSM 115 **
VIS&SCRW2 12
....
There's a disagreement about the order of M/FAN#41 and PPSSM#115.
M/FAN#41 *only* has DrS and Wong (who is BTS because he's asleep). DrS falls foul of a nameless dreaming god. This is 1 of those Fanfare tales with no particular chronological clues, which has been inserted a couple of years before it was published. 1 panel of sleeping Wong certainly can be placed anywhen. So I'd just change his listing to fit:-
WONG II
....
LSHOT 6
DS2 75
PPSSM 115
M/FAN 41-BTS moved from before PPSSM 115
VIS&SCRW2 12
....
That wasn't the 2nd problem with the Longshot series. But I'll save that for another thread because it's quite separate.