Spider-Man and New Avengers v1 #38
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:27 pm
I've been looking at the apps of Mighty and New Avengers between World War Hulk and Secret Invasion. There's a clash between Spider-Man and other characters with the relative positioning of NA#38 and Cable & Deadpool #50, with Ms Marvel Annual #1 thrown in as a bonus.
SPIDER-MAN
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ASM 545 (1 - 22)
ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
C&DP 50 **
MSM@ 1 **
ASM 605-FB-FB
M/CP2 1/3
NA 38 **
ASMF 4
ASM:FI (4 - 10)-FB
ASM 581-FB
ASM 545 (23 - 31)
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MS MARVEL
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NA@ 2
NA 38 **
C&DP 49
C&DP 50 **
MSM@ 1 **
MSM2 18
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Fellow MA'ers Ares, Black Widow, Spider-Woman (Veranke) and Wonder Man are also in both NA#38 and C&DP#50, and agree with Ms Marvel's ordering.
There isn't any disagreement that all 3 issues follow One More Day. #38 starts the run of NA issues where they don't call Peter Parker by name, and Iron Fist suggests Spidey enters and exits their new HQ via the window to his personal room - possibly because he's the only 1 whose id they don't know. In C&DP#50 DP mentions a deal with Mephisto (and SM doesn't know what he's talking about). In MSM@1 MsM doesn't know his identity.
The simplest solution to the clash would be to change Spidey's ordering. And I think I can find a little bit of justification for it.
The appearances of Ms Marvel and the Mighty Avengers in these issues don't have anything particular to determine ordering. But Spider-Man's life around this time is in flux. In MSM@1 SM is out to pick up some baking soda for Aunt May. This fits with him living with her in this period and sometime later.
But in ASM#641 (36 - 37)-FB May is still recovering in hospital. PP and May are shown sharing a home in ASMF#4, and they are together in the 3 succeeding apps. But May doesn't appear between ASM#641 (36 - 37)-FB and ASMF#4, even when Peter is seen at home. This suggests May was still in hospital in that period, and makes it more reasonable to move MSM@1 to the time of ASMF#4 and later, and hence after NA#38.
The only reason to keep C&DP#50 early is Deadpool's reference to Mephisto. But that doesn't have to occur immediately after One More Day to make sense. (Ignoring the fact that it doesn't make sense for DP to know about Peter's deal anyway.) So I see no reason not to take C&DP#50 with MSM@1.
My particular suggestion is:-
SPIDER-MAN
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ASM 545 (1 - 22)
ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
ASM 605-FB-FB
M/CP2 1/3
NA 38
ASMF 4
C&DP 50 ) moved from
MSM@ 1 ) before ASM 605-FB-FB
ASM:FI (4 - 10)-FB
ASM 581-FB
ASM 545 (23 - 31)
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But I have no reason for that level of accuracy.
But I would venture to suggest another tweak in this area. Mary Jane shares some of Peter Parker's apps here:-
WATSON-PARKER, MARY JANE
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ASM 545 (1 - 22) Mephisto changes the past.
ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB MJ leaves Peter and New York.
ASM 605-FB-FB PP & MJ argue about PP being SM.
ASM 545 (23 - 31) MJ attends Harry Osborn's party, avoids PP and leaves.
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We have to assume that MJ returns briefly to NY for Harry's welcome-home party in ASM#545 (23 - 31). But it would make more sense for the argument in ASM#605-FB-FB to be before she leaves town in ASM#641 (36 - 37)-FB.
So I propose:-
WATSON-PARKER, MARY JANE
----
ASM 545 (1 - 22)
ASM 605-FB-FB moved from after ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
ASM 545 (23 - 31)
----
SPIDER-MAN
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ASM 545 (1 - 22)
ASM 605-FB-FB moved from after ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
M/CP2 1/3
----
SPIDER-MAN
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ASM 545 (1 - 22)
ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
C&DP 50 **
MSM@ 1 **
ASM 605-FB-FB
M/CP2 1/3
NA 38 **
ASMF 4
ASM:FI (4 - 10)-FB
ASM 581-FB
ASM 545 (23 - 31)
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MS MARVEL
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NA@ 2
NA 38 **
C&DP 49
C&DP 50 **
MSM@ 1 **
MSM2 18
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Fellow MA'ers Ares, Black Widow, Spider-Woman (Veranke) and Wonder Man are also in both NA#38 and C&DP#50, and agree with Ms Marvel's ordering.
There isn't any disagreement that all 3 issues follow One More Day. #38 starts the run of NA issues where they don't call Peter Parker by name, and Iron Fist suggests Spidey enters and exits their new HQ via the window to his personal room - possibly because he's the only 1 whose id they don't know. In C&DP#50 DP mentions a deal with Mephisto (and SM doesn't know what he's talking about). In MSM@1 MsM doesn't know his identity.
The simplest solution to the clash would be to change Spidey's ordering. And I think I can find a little bit of justification for it.
The appearances of Ms Marvel and the Mighty Avengers in these issues don't have anything particular to determine ordering. But Spider-Man's life around this time is in flux. In MSM@1 SM is out to pick up some baking soda for Aunt May. This fits with him living with her in this period and sometime later.
But in ASM#641 (36 - 37)-FB May is still recovering in hospital. PP and May are shown sharing a home in ASMF#4, and they are together in the 3 succeeding apps. But May doesn't appear between ASM#641 (36 - 37)-FB and ASMF#4, even when Peter is seen at home. This suggests May was still in hospital in that period, and makes it more reasonable to move MSM@1 to the time of ASMF#4 and later, and hence after NA#38.
The only reason to keep C&DP#50 early is Deadpool's reference to Mephisto. But that doesn't have to occur immediately after One More Day to make sense. (Ignoring the fact that it doesn't make sense for DP to know about Peter's deal anyway.) So I see no reason not to take C&DP#50 with MSM@1.
My particular suggestion is:-
SPIDER-MAN
----
ASM 545 (1 - 22)
ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
ASM 605-FB-FB
M/CP2 1/3
NA 38
ASMF 4
C&DP 50 ) moved from
MSM@ 1 ) before ASM 605-FB-FB
ASM:FI (4 - 10)-FB
ASM 581-FB
ASM 545 (23 - 31)
----
But I have no reason for that level of accuracy.
But I would venture to suggest another tweak in this area. Mary Jane shares some of Peter Parker's apps here:-
WATSON-PARKER, MARY JANE
----
ASM 545 (1 - 22) Mephisto changes the past.
ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB MJ leaves Peter and New York.
ASM 605-FB-FB PP & MJ argue about PP being SM.
ASM 545 (23 - 31) MJ attends Harry Osborn's party, avoids PP and leaves.
----
We have to assume that MJ returns briefly to NY for Harry's welcome-home party in ASM#545 (23 - 31). But it would make more sense for the argument in ASM#605-FB-FB to be before she leaves town in ASM#641 (36 - 37)-FB.
So I propose:-
WATSON-PARKER, MARY JANE
----
ASM 545 (1 - 22)
ASM 605-FB-FB moved from after ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
ASM 545 (23 - 31)
----
SPIDER-MAN
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ASM 545 (1 - 22)
ASM 605-FB-FB moved from after ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
ASM 641 (36 - 37)-FB
M/CP2 1/3
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