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Secret Wars II # 1 and Prof X

Post by intp » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:34 pm

I was reading Secret Wars II (which I never really did before) in Tpb and came across what is possibly a minor error in the entry for Professor X. This tends to be supported by Magneto's present entry.

The present entries are as follows:

MAGNETO/MAGNUS/MAX EISENHARDT/"ERIC LENSHERR"/"MICHAEL XAVIER"

...

NM 21
UX 188
NM 23
NM 24
NM 26
NM 28
NM 29 (1 - 18)
UX 195-BTS
SECWARSII 1 (1 - 12)
NM 29 (19 - 24)
SECWARSII 1 (13 - 25)

UX 196

...

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES FRANCIS XAVIER

...

UX 193
NM 26
NM 27
NM 28 (1 - 22:3)
SECWARSII 1
NM 28 (22:4 - 25)
NM 29

[X:L2 3-FB]
UX 196
NA:ILLUM2 3
UX 200

...


I am referring to the scene in SECWARSII 1, pg. 5, where Xavier detects the Beyonder's presence on Earth then desperately sends distress signals to Captain America and Magneto before passing out. On pg. 6, Cap hears Xavier's telepathic warning. On pg. 10, Magneto contacts the X-Men and informs them of Xavier's telepathic warning (which they also heard) and rallies their assistance to also recruit the New Mutants.

In New Mutants # 28, the interlude between NM 28 (1-22:3) and NM 28 (22:4-25) involves Xavier resting, then getting up "much later." The current Project lists Xavier as appearing in Secret Wars II # 1 in that interlude. This seems reasonable to me, as Xavier later in the issue (pg. 25) refers to having already detected the Beyonder.

In New Mutants # 29, on pg. 17-18, Magneto is recovering from injuries suffered in New Mutants # 21 when Warlock inadvertently damaged Asteroid M. On pg. 18, he hears Xavier's telepathic warning and goes to recruit the X-Men against the Beyonder. (hence, his appearance in SWII 1 between pg. 18 and 19 of NM 29, which seems correct).

However, Xavier's only appearance in NM 29 is in his telepathic warning to Magneto (unless I'm missing something) on pg. 18. This would seem to occur after SW II 1, pg. 5, but before NM 28 (22:4-25) and also before SWII 1 pg. 10.

Accordingly, I suggest that Xavier's entry should be changed to the following:

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES FRANCIS XAVIER

...

NM 28 (1 - 22:3)
NM 29 (18)
SECWARSII 1
NM 28 (22:4 - 25)

...

Please let me know if Ithis makes sense, or if I'm missing something.

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Re: Secret Wars II # 1 and Prof X

Post by Col_Fury » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:18 pm

Is NM 29 (17 - 18) a flashback? NM 29 (19-24) is later in Magneto's chronology…

If so, should the chronologies look like this?

MAGNETO/MAGNUS/MAX EISENHARDT/"ERIC LENSHERR"/"MICHAEL XAVIER"
……
NM 26
NM 28
NM 29-FB
UX 195-BTS
SECWARSII 1 (1 - 12)
NM 29
SECWARSII 1 (13 - 25)
UX 196
……

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES FRANCIS XAVIER
……
NM 26
NM 27
NM 28 (1 - 22:3)
SECWARSII 1
NM 29-FB
NM 28 (22:4 - 25)
[X:L2 3-FB]
UX 196
……

Does Magneto appear in NM 29 (1 - 16)? Do any other characters appear in NM 29 (17 - 18)?

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Re: Secret Wars II # 1 and Prof X

Post by intp » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:43 pm

Hmm, I hadn't thought about the apparent contradiction of having part of NM 29 occur after NM 28, considering Magneto appears in both NM 28 and NM 29.

NM 28 at pg. 7-9 shows Magneto interacting with Lee Forrester (Cyclops' old flame), who rejects him because he's a mutant. NM 28 also shows Xavier reflecting on the Beyonder (on pg. 25). Magneto makes no further appearances in NM 28.

NM 29 at pg. 17-18 shows Magneto kind of reconciling with Lee after their little spat, then receiving an abrupt psychic warning from Xavier about the Beyonder. It does not appear to be a flashback; in fact, it can't be since it occurs after Magneto's appearance in NM 28. Magneto does not appear before pg. 17 of NM 29.

Looks like it might have been a minor mistake by Marvel.

One possible way to reconcile the two would be to treat NM 29 as occurring "within" NM 28, between panels 3-4 of pg. 22 of NM 28. Magneto only occurs on pg. 7-9 of NM 28, so his appearance in NM 29 could occur after NM his appearance in NM 28 while still taking place within pg. 22 of NM 28. Not sure if this quite works, though.

So the proposal would be:

MAGNETO/MAGNUS/MAX EISENHARDT/"ERIC LENSHERR"/"MICHAEL XAVIER"

...

NM 28 (7-9)
NM 29 (17 - 18)
UX 195-BTS
SECWARSII 1 (1 - 12)
NM 29 (19 - 24)
SECWARSII 1 (13 - 25)
UX 196

...

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES FRANCIS XAVIER

...

NM 28 (1 - 22:3)
SECWARSII 1 ~ NM 29 (18)
NM 28 (22:4 - 25)

...

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Re: Secret Wars II # 1 and Prof X

Post by Col_Fury » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:45 am

Flipping through NM 28-29, you're right, it doesn't appear to be a flashback.

NM 29 (1 - 16) "catches up" to where NM 28 (1 - 22:3) leaves off, then NM 29 (17 - 18) happens during the gap in NM 29, then NM 28 (22:4 - 25) happens, then NM 29 (19 - 24) happens.

So yeah, it looks like Xavier appears in NM 29 during NM 28.

Also, NM 29 isn't concurrent with SECWARSII 1. Yes, they happen at roughly the same time, but he's contacting different people in SECWARSII 1 than he is in NM 29. I'd put NM 29 after SECWARSII 1 for Xavier, if only so that we don't have to split up SECWARSII 1 in Xavier's chronology (he senses the Beyonder, then starts contacting people. In NM 29, he's still contacting people). So, I'd say:

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES FRANCIS XAVIER
……
NM 26
NM 27
NM 28 (1 - 22:3)
SECWARSII 1
*NM 29 (move to here)
NM 28 (22:4 - 25)
**NM 29 (move from here)
[X:L2 3-FB]
UX 196
……

And leave Magneto as-is.

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Re: Secret Wars II # 1 and Prof X

Post by intp » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:35 pm

Okay, sounds reasonable.

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