Captain America: White
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:18 pm
Captain America: White is another of the Loeb/Sale “color” minis (Hulk: Gray, Spider-Man: Blue, Daredevil: Yellow, and this one), and it uses the same structure as the others: a “current” framing sequence with mostly flashbacks to the early days. However, the “current” portion here is circa Avengers #4, whereas the others were more-or-less current when published.
The other minis had big problems with the flashbacks, and so aren’t listed here (but the current-day portions are). This one’s no different (not as drastic as the other color minis, though), but there’s an oddity with the current day stuff…
#0 retells Bucky’s origin, and adds to the “kid” version, while completely ignoring the “black ops” additions. #1-5-FBs tell an early team-up between Cap & Bucky and Sgt. Fury & his Howling Commandos. It says it happens in the winter of 1941, shortly before Christmas, but of course the Howling Commandos didn’t exist yet at that time (the idea of them didn’t exist until after Pearl Harbor, and the Howlers didn’t have their first mission until early in 1942). Juniper’s already dead by the time of this story, so we’re even further past that (and can’t place it during their training, not that we would have). Red Skull, Baron Strucker and Sub-Mariner also appear here, and the Human Torch is mentioned.
This mini also wants to be the first meeting between Cap and the Howlers; through it Reb is trying to figure out where he knows Bucky from (apparently Reb trained at Camp LeHigh) and at the end, Fury points out that he knew the whole time that Cap is Steve Rogers (and Bucky is James Barnes) but won’t tell anybody else. Unfortunately, SGTF 13 also wants to be the first meeting between Cap and the Howlers; here, Fury doesn’t know who Steve Rogers is (or really, that there’s anybody relevant named Steve Rogers) and doesn’t recognize him out of uniform (why would he?).
If this happens before SGTF 13, why doesn’t Fury recognize Cap/Steve in SGTF 13? If this happens after SGTF 13, how can Fury have “known from the start” that Cap was Steve (I suppose he could have researched it after SGTF 13, but again, why would he? Steve Rogers is just some schmuck that peels potatoes, you know?), and how can it be their first meeting? I can ignore the dates, but I’m having trouble wrapping my head around this bit. Given the track record of these color minis, I’m not really inclined to, either.
*sigh* On to the current day stuff.
#1 opens with Cap waking up during Avengers #4, then meeting with Nick Fury to talk about the good old days. Fury’s in a S.H.I.E.L.D. uniform here, but he didn’t join S.H.I.E.L.D. until ST 135 (published the same month as A 19, but takes place between A 14-15 for Tony Stark). Oops.
Luckily, there’s a line we can use to open a gap; after Cap wakes up, Iron Man prepares to tell Cap that he’s been asleep for decades, then the next page is Cap meeting Fury. THAT page starts with the line “So they told me. To this day it just seems… impossible.” You could take “to this day” to mean some time has passed between pages, so that’s what I’m going to do.
Cap says that he’s been told Fury is still alive, but this is the first time they’ve seen each other in the current day. In A:EMH 6, Fury writes Cap a letter, so this would have to go after that. A:EMH 6 expands A 15, so after A 15-16. In theory, this meeting could be the result of that letter. Also, this would then have to be before CA6 19 (15:1)-FB, where Fury shows Cap the S.H.I.E.L.D. files on the other Captains America who served while the world thought Steve was dead.
For what it’s worth, in the current day part of #5, Fury shows Cap some statues of Cap & Bucky at Arlington, so that’s nice.
Placement suggestions:
CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVE ROGERS
……
CA4 13 (15:2 - 15:4)-FB
A 4 (4:5)-OP
*CA:WHITE 1 (1)
MA 20 (1:2 - 4)-FB
A 4 (4:6)
CA4 13 (16:1 - 16:2)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (14)
A 4 (5:1)
CA4 13 (16:3)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (15)
**A 4 (5 - 5:5) (delete)
*A 4 (5:1)
*CA:WHITE 1 (2 - 3)
*A 4 (5:2)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:1)
*A 4 (5:3 - 5:5)
CA:MOOT 1 (16 - 17:1)
A 4 (5:6 - 8:1)
**CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:5)
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:3)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:2 - 4:5)
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:4 - 17:5)
A 4 (9:2)
……
CHAOS:DA 3 (22:1)-FB-FB
*CA:WHITE 1 (5 - 6)
*CA:WHITE 0-VO
*CA:WHITE 1 (7 - 23)-VO
*CA:WHITE 2-VO
*CA:WHITE 3-VO
*CA:WHITE 4-VO
*CA:WHITE 5
[CA6 19 (15:1)-FB]
A 17
……
FURY, COL. NICHOLAS "NICK" JOSEPH
……
ST 136
IIM 13-FB
*CA:WHITE 1
*CA:WHITE 5
[CA6 19-FB]
……
GIANT-MAN/DR. HENRY JONATHAN PYM
……
A 4 (4:5)
*CA:WHITE 1 (1)-VO
MA 20 (1:2 - 4)-FB
A 4 (4:6)
CA:MOOT 1 (14)
CA4 13 (16:3)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (15)
**A 4 (5:2 - 5:5) (delete)
*A 4 (5:1)-OP
*CA:WHITE 1 (2 - 3)
*A 4 (5:2)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:1)
*A 4 (5:3 - 5:5)
CA:MOOT 1 (16 - 17:1)
A 4 (5:6 - 8:1)
CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:3)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:2 - 4:5)-OP
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:4 - 17:5)
A 4 (8:2 - 9:1)
……
IRON MAN/ANTHONY EDWARD "TONY" STARK
……
A 4 (4:3 - 4:4)
MA 20-FB
**A 4 (4:5 - 4:6) (delete)
*A4 (4:5)
*CA:WHITE 1 (1)-VO
*A4 (4:6)
CA:MOOT 1 (14)
CA4 13 (16)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (15)
**A 4 (5:2 - 5:5) (delete)
*A 4 (5:1)-OP
*CA:WHITE 1 (2 - 3)
*A 4 (5:2)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:1)
*A 4 (5:3 - 5:5)
CA:MOOT 1 (16 - 17:1)
A 4 (5:6 - 8:1)
CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:3)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:2 - 4:5)
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:4 - 17:5)-OP
A 4 (8:2 - 9:1)
……
THOR/THOR ODINSON/"DR. DONALD BLAKE"/"SIGURD JARLSON"/"JAKE OLSON"/"LOREN OLSON"
……
MA 20-FB
**A 4 (4:5 - 4:6) (delete)
*A4 (4:5)
*CA:WHITE 1 (1)-OP
*A4 (4:6)
CA:MOOT 1 (14)
CA4 13 (16)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (15)
**A 4 (5 - 5:5) (delete)
*A 4 (5:1)-OP
*CA:WHITE 1 (2 - 3)
*A 4 (5:2)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:1)
*A 4 (5:3 - 5:5)
CA:MOOT 1 (16 - 17:1)
A 4 (5:6 - 8:1)
CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:3)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:2 - 4:5)-OP
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:4 - 17:5)
A 4 (8:2 - 9:1)
……
WASP/JANET VAN DYNE PYM
……
CA4 13 (15:2 - 15:4)-FB
*CA:WHITE 1 (1)-VO
MA 20 (1:2 - 4)-FB
A 4 (4:6)
CA:MOOT 1 (14)
CA4 13 (16)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (15)
**A 4 (5:2 - 5:5) (delete)
*A 4 (5:1)-OP
*CA:WHITE 1 (2 - 3)
*A 4 (5:2)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:1)
*A 4 (5:3 - 5:5)
CA:MOOT 1 (16 - 17:1)
A 4 (5:6 - 8:1)
CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:3)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:2 - 4:5)-OP
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:4 - 17:5)
A 4 (8:2 - 9:1)
……
The other minis had big problems with the flashbacks, and so aren’t listed here (but the current-day portions are). This one’s no different (not as drastic as the other color minis, though), but there’s an oddity with the current day stuff…
#0 retells Bucky’s origin, and adds to the “kid” version, while completely ignoring the “black ops” additions. #1-5-FBs tell an early team-up between Cap & Bucky and Sgt. Fury & his Howling Commandos. It says it happens in the winter of 1941, shortly before Christmas, but of course the Howling Commandos didn’t exist yet at that time (the idea of them didn’t exist until after Pearl Harbor, and the Howlers didn’t have their first mission until early in 1942). Juniper’s already dead by the time of this story, so we’re even further past that (and can’t place it during their training, not that we would have). Red Skull, Baron Strucker and Sub-Mariner also appear here, and the Human Torch is mentioned.
This mini also wants to be the first meeting between Cap and the Howlers; through it Reb is trying to figure out where he knows Bucky from (apparently Reb trained at Camp LeHigh) and at the end, Fury points out that he knew the whole time that Cap is Steve Rogers (and Bucky is James Barnes) but won’t tell anybody else. Unfortunately, SGTF 13 also wants to be the first meeting between Cap and the Howlers; here, Fury doesn’t know who Steve Rogers is (or really, that there’s anybody relevant named Steve Rogers) and doesn’t recognize him out of uniform (why would he?).
If this happens before SGTF 13, why doesn’t Fury recognize Cap/Steve in SGTF 13? If this happens after SGTF 13, how can Fury have “known from the start” that Cap was Steve (I suppose he could have researched it after SGTF 13, but again, why would he? Steve Rogers is just some schmuck that peels potatoes, you know?), and how can it be their first meeting? I can ignore the dates, but I’m having trouble wrapping my head around this bit. Given the track record of these color minis, I’m not really inclined to, either.
*sigh* On to the current day stuff.
#1 opens with Cap waking up during Avengers #4, then meeting with Nick Fury to talk about the good old days. Fury’s in a S.H.I.E.L.D. uniform here, but he didn’t join S.H.I.E.L.D. until ST 135 (published the same month as A 19, but takes place between A 14-15 for Tony Stark). Oops.
Luckily, there’s a line we can use to open a gap; after Cap wakes up, Iron Man prepares to tell Cap that he’s been asleep for decades, then the next page is Cap meeting Fury. THAT page starts with the line “So they told me. To this day it just seems… impossible.” You could take “to this day” to mean some time has passed between pages, so that’s what I’m going to do.
Cap says that he’s been told Fury is still alive, but this is the first time they’ve seen each other in the current day. In A:EMH 6, Fury writes Cap a letter, so this would have to go after that. A:EMH 6 expands A 15, so after A 15-16. In theory, this meeting could be the result of that letter. Also, this would then have to be before CA6 19 (15:1)-FB, where Fury shows Cap the S.H.I.E.L.D. files on the other Captains America who served while the world thought Steve was dead.
For what it’s worth, in the current day part of #5, Fury shows Cap some statues of Cap & Bucky at Arlington, so that’s nice.
Placement suggestions:
CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVE ROGERS
……
CA4 13 (15:2 - 15:4)-FB
A 4 (4:5)-OP
*CA:WHITE 1 (1)
MA 20 (1:2 - 4)-FB
A 4 (4:6)
CA4 13 (16:1 - 16:2)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (14)
A 4 (5:1)
CA4 13 (16:3)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (15)
**A 4 (5 - 5:5) (delete)
*A 4 (5:1)
*CA:WHITE 1 (2 - 3)
*A 4 (5:2)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:1)
*A 4 (5:3 - 5:5)
CA:MOOT 1 (16 - 17:1)
A 4 (5:6 - 8:1)
**CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:5)
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:3)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:2 - 4:5)
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:4 - 17:5)
A 4 (9:2)
……
CHAOS:DA 3 (22:1)-FB-FB
*CA:WHITE 1 (5 - 6)
*CA:WHITE 0-VO
*CA:WHITE 1 (7 - 23)-VO
*CA:WHITE 2-VO
*CA:WHITE 3-VO
*CA:WHITE 4-VO
*CA:WHITE 5
[CA6 19 (15:1)-FB]
A 17
……
FURY, COL. NICHOLAS "NICK" JOSEPH
……
ST 136
IIM 13-FB
*CA:WHITE 1
*CA:WHITE 5
[CA6 19-FB]
……
GIANT-MAN/DR. HENRY JONATHAN PYM
……
A 4 (4:5)
*CA:WHITE 1 (1)-VO
MA 20 (1:2 - 4)-FB
A 4 (4:6)
CA:MOOT 1 (14)
CA4 13 (16:3)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (15)
**A 4 (5:2 - 5:5) (delete)
*A 4 (5:1)-OP
*CA:WHITE 1 (2 - 3)
*A 4 (5:2)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:1)
*A 4 (5:3 - 5:5)
CA:MOOT 1 (16 - 17:1)
A 4 (5:6 - 8:1)
CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:3)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:2 - 4:5)-OP
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:4 - 17:5)
A 4 (8:2 - 9:1)
……
IRON MAN/ANTHONY EDWARD "TONY" STARK
……
A 4 (4:3 - 4:4)
MA 20-FB
**A 4 (4:5 - 4:6) (delete)
*A4 (4:5)
*CA:WHITE 1 (1)-VO
*A4 (4:6)
CA:MOOT 1 (14)
CA4 13 (16)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (15)
**A 4 (5:2 - 5:5) (delete)
*A 4 (5:1)-OP
*CA:WHITE 1 (2 - 3)
*A 4 (5:2)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:1)
*A 4 (5:3 - 5:5)
CA:MOOT 1 (16 - 17:1)
A 4 (5:6 - 8:1)
CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:3)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:2 - 4:5)
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:4 - 17:5)-OP
A 4 (8:2 - 9:1)
……
THOR/THOR ODINSON/"DR. DONALD BLAKE"/"SIGURD JARLSON"/"JAKE OLSON"/"LOREN OLSON"
……
MA 20-FB
**A 4 (4:5 - 4:6) (delete)
*A4 (4:5)
*CA:WHITE 1 (1)-OP
*A4 (4:6)
CA:MOOT 1 (14)
CA4 13 (16)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (15)
**A 4 (5 - 5:5) (delete)
*A 4 (5:1)-OP
*CA:WHITE 1 (2 - 3)
*A 4 (5:2)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:1)
*A 4 (5:3 - 5:5)
CA:MOOT 1 (16 - 17:1)
A 4 (5:6 - 8:1)
CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:3)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:2 - 4:5)-OP
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:4 - 17:5)
A 4 (8:2 - 9:1)
……
WASP/JANET VAN DYNE PYM
……
CA4 13 (15:2 - 15:4)-FB
*CA:WHITE 1 (1)-VO
MA 20 (1:2 - 4)-FB
A 4 (4:6)
CA:MOOT 1 (14)
CA4 13 (16)-FB
CA:MOOT 1 (15)
**A 4 (5:2 - 5:5) (delete)
*A 4 (5:1)-OP
*CA:WHITE 1 (2 - 3)
*A 4 (5:2)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:1)
*A 4 (5:3 - 5:5)
CA:MOOT 1 (16 - 17:1)
A 4 (5:6 - 8:1)
CA:MOOT 1 (17:2 - 17:3)
*CA:WHITE 1 (4:2 - 4:5)-OP
*CA:MOOT 1 (17:4 - 17:5)
A 4 (8:2 - 9:1)
……