Marvel Super Heroes Vol.3 11/3 Ms. Marvel Hellfire Club

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Marvel Super Heroes Vol.3 11/3 Ms. Marvel Hellfire Club

Post by whatcomesnext? » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:23 pm

In Ms. Marvel's timeline, her appearance in M/S-H3 11/3 is listed, in part, like this.

MS. MARVEL
M/TIO 51
M/S-H3 10/3
M/S-H3 11/3 (1 - 5:2)
FF@ 14
IM 125
CA 237
A 186
A 187
A 188
A@ 9-BTS
A 190
A 191
M/S-H3 11/3 (5:3 - 25)

The timelines of the Black King, Black Bishop and White Bishop who appear in that second section (p.5:3 - 25) all show this story occurring before X-Men 129, which makes sense.

The Beast's timeline for that same period looks like this.

BEAST
M/TIO 51
X 125
IM 125
X 134
X 135
X 136
X 137
BICM/W 1/2
X 138
FF 286-FB
CA 237
A 186
A 187
A 188
A@ 9
A 189
A 190
A 191

which would indicate that the Hellfire Club/Dark Phoenix saga happens before the one panel joint Avengers appearance on page 6 of CA 237, as well as Avengers 186-191. Is there a reason that those two parts of M/S-H3 11/3 can't happen in sequence before FF @14?

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Re: Marvel Super Heroes Vol.3 11/3 Ms. Marvel Hellfire Club

Post by Col_Fury » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:01 am

Yep, something odd is going on there.

First, some background. Ms. Marvel was cancelled in 1979 with issue #23. However, issues #24-25 had already been written by Chris Claremont and Mike Vosburg had already completed the art for #24 and most of #25, as well as the covers for both comics. All in 1979. Then in 1992, #24 was finally published in M/S-H3 10, and #25 was “completed” and published in M/S-H3 11; Vosburg’s art ends at the start of the fight between Ms. Marvel and Mystique’s brotherhood (when Pyro makes the big flame pterodactyl). The rest is by Simon Furman (writer) and Mike Gustovich (artist). They finish up the brotherhood fight, then add a PS that leads directly into Avengers Annual #10 (where Rogue steals Ms. Marvel’s powers and Ms. Marvel ends up with amnesia), then finishes with a recap montage of Ms. Marvel becoming Binary.

Ms. Marvel #24 would have been published the same month as Avengers #184 and X-Men #122, and Ms. Marvel #25 would have been published the same month as Avengers #186 and X-Men #124 (Ms. Marvel was bi-monthly at the time).

Where we have the break in M/S-H2 11/3 is after Ms. Marvel finds out how Mike Barnett died (he was killed by Mystique) and before Mike’s funeral; the comic says it’s “a few days later.” After the funereal is where the Hellfire Club folks appear; but as whatcomesnext? points out, this segment is currently after the Dark Phoenix Saga story, and yet this is placed before that for the Hellfire Club folks.

There’s another break in the story, after Ms. Marvel’s fight with Mystique’s brotherhood, and before the lead-in to Avengers Annual #10 (the comic says “Time passes once more…”). That’s where the break should be.

The placement between A 191-192 came from Ward’s Avengers Index, but again, that doesn’t work for the Hellfire Club folks. So, as you suggest, all of M/S-H3 11/3 (1 - 25) should happen before FF@ 14.

So:

BARNETT, DR. MIKE
……
MSM 22
M/S-H3 11/3-FB
M/S-H3 10/3
*M/S-H2 11/3-BTS

DESTINY II/IRENE ADLER
……
RG3 11-FB
**M/S-H3 11/3 (5:3 - 25) (delete)
*M/S-H3 11/3 (1 - 25)
{X 141}
UX 142
XFVR 2
**M/S-H3 11/3 (26 - 30) (delete)
*M/S-H3 11/3 (26 - 30:2)
A@ 10
……

MS. MARVEL/CAROL SUSAN JANE DANVERS
……
M/S-H3 10/3
**M/S-H3 11/3 (1 - 5:2) (delete)
*M/S-H3 11/3 (1 - 25)
FF@ 14
IM 125
CA 237
A 186
A 187
A 188
A@ 9-BTS
A 190
A 191
**M/S-H3 11/3 (5:3 - 25) (delete)
A 192
A 193
ALIAS 26 (13 - 18)-FB
A 194
A 195
A 196
A 200-FB
A 197
A 198
A 199
A 200
A@ 10-FB
A3 47-FB
*M/S-H3 11/3 (26 - 28:5)
UX 203 (1 - 2:4)-FB
……

MYSTIQUE/RAVEN DARKHOLME/"RAVEN WAGNER"/"MALLORY BRICKMAN"/"B. BYRON BIGGS"/"RONNIE LAKE"/"DALE FYFE"
……
MSM 22
*M/S-H3 11/3-FB (move to here)
M/S-H3 10/3-BTS
**M/S-H3 11/3-FB (move from here)
**M/S-H3 11/3 (5:3 - 25) (delete)
*M/S-H3 11/3 (1 - 25)
X 140-BTS
X 141
UX 142
UACC 3
UACC 4
**M/S-H3 11/3 (26 - 30) (delete)
*M/S-H3 11/3 (26 - 30:2)
A@ 10
……

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