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CA&BUCKY 625-628-FBs

Post by Col_Fury » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:45 am

The main story in these issues is set in the current day, but there are a handful of flashbacks here:

CA&BUCKY 625 (1 - 3:2)-FB
1945: President Truman asks William Naslund and Fred Davis Jr. to be the new Captain America and Bucky (expands WI? 4 & CA 215-FB).
CA&BUCKY 625 (9:5 - 11:2)-FB
1946: William Naslund dies fighting Adam II (repeats WI? 4, no new information).
CA&BUCKY 625 (14 - 16)-FB
1945: The new Cap and Bucky prepare to meet the Invaders (expands WI? 4).

CA&BUCKY 626 (1 - 2)-FB
WWII: The Invaders fight Nazi zombies (all new!).

CA&BUCKY 627 (1 - 3)-FB
1946: Sad that Cap is dead, Bucky yells at the Torch for not being human, but rather “just” a robot (aftermath of WI? 4).

CA&BUCKY 628 (1 - 2)-FB
1949: Fred Davis drinks his troubles away (all new!).

Placement suggestions, with a bit of WI? 4 clean up:

BRAUN, EVA
SGTF@ 2
SGTF 81
*SAGAHT 3 (1 - 4:4)-FB
*WI? 4 (5:5 - 6:1)
*SAGAHT 3 (5:1)-FB-OP
*WI? 4 (6:2 - 6:6)-OP
*YMEN 24-FB-OP

*BUCKY II/FRED DAVIS (add JR.)
M/PRM 30
*[CA&BUCKY 625 (1 - 3:2)-FB]
TWELVE 1
**WI? 4 (1 - 16) (delete)
*WI? 4 (9 - 11)-OP
*[CA&BUCKY 625 (14 - 16)-FB]
*WI? 4 (12 - 17:1)
CA@ 6
*[CA&BUCKY 626-FB]
CAC 49
……
CAC 50/3
**WI? 4 (17) (delete)
*WI? 4 (17:2 - 17:5)
SAGASUB 5-FB
……
WI? 4 (18:5 - 34)
*[CA&BUCKY 627-FB]
CA:P 2 (1 - 18)
……
CAC 71
*[CA&BUCKY 628-FB]
CA:P 4-FB
……

CAPTAIN AMERICA II/WILLIAM NASLAND
From Spirit of '76
TWELVE 1
**WI? 4 (1 - 16) (delete)
*WI? 4 (9 - 11)-OP
*[CA&BUCKY 625 (14 - 16)-FB]
*WI? 4 (12 - 17:1)
CA@ 6
*[CA&BUCKY 626-FB]
CAC 49
……
NSUB@ 1/3
**WI? 4 (17) (delete)
*WI? 4 (17:2 - 17:5)
SAGASUB 5-FB
……
ALLWC 19/7
**WI? 4 (18:5 - 30:2) (delete)
*WI? 4 (18:5 - 30)
CA 215 (12:1 - 12:2)-FB
**WI? 4 (34) (delete)
*WI? 4 (31 - 34)

HITLER, ADOLF
……
SAGAHT 3 (1 - 4:4)-FB
**WI? 4 (1 - 6:1) (delete)
*WI? 4 (5:5 - 6:1)
SAGAHT 3 (5:1)-FB
……

HUMAN TORCH/JIM HAMMOND
……
SAGAHT 2 (19:3 - 23:?)-FB
**WI? 4 (1 - 5:4) (delete)
*WI? 4 (5:3 - 5:4)
SAGAHT 3 (1 - 4:4)-FB
……
SVTU 17-FB
**WI? 4 (7:2 - 7:3) (delete)
*WI? 4 (7:2 - 8)
SAGAHT 3 (6:6 - 6:7)-FB
……
SAGASUB 5 (17 - 18:1)-FB
**WI? 4 (9 - 16) (delete)
*WI? 4 (9 - 11)
*[CA&BUCKY 625-FB]
*WI? 4 (12 - 17:1)
CA@ 6
*[CA&BUCKY 626-FB]
CAC 49/2
……
[M/MC 67]
**WI? 4 (17) (delete)
*WI? 4 (17:2 - 17:5)
SAGASUB 5 (20:3 - 22)-FB
……
ALLWC 19/7
**WI? 4 (8:5 - 19:5) (delete)
*WI? 4 (18:5 - 19:5)
SAGAHT 3 (8:1)-FB
……
SAGAHT 3 (8:1)-FB
WI? 4 (19:6 - 34)
*[CA&BUCKY 627-FB]
CA:P 2 (1 - 18)
……

MISS AMERICA/MADELINE JOYCE FRANK
……
TWELVE 1
**WI? 4 (1 - 16) (delete)
*WI? 4 (12 - 17:1)
CA@ 6
**WI? 4 (17) (delete)
*WI? 4 (17:2 - 17:5)
SAGASUB 5-FB
……

PATRIOT/JEFFREY SOLOMON MACE
……
M/MC 74
**WI? 4 (1 - 30) (delete)
*WI? 4 (18:5 - 30)
CA 215-FB
……

SPIRIT OF '76/WILLIAM NASLUND
……
CA@ 13-FB
CA 215 (11:2 - 11:4)-FB
*[CA&BUCKY 625 (1 - 3:2)-FB]
See Captain America II

SPITFIRE/LADY JACQUELINE FALSWORTH CRICHTON
……
[FI:FLSS 5-FB]
**WI? 4 (1 - 8) (delete)
*WI? 4 (7:2 - 8)
SAGASUB 5-FB
**WI? 4 (9 - 34) (delete)
*WI? 4 (9 - 11)
CV 1-FB
……

SUB-MARINER/NAMOR MACKENZIE
……
TWELVE 1
**WI? 4 (1 - 8) (delete)
*WI? 4 (7:2 - 8)
SAGASUB 5 (17 - 18:1)-FB
**WI? 4 (9 - 17:1) (delete)
*WI? 4 (9 - 11)
*[CA&BUCKY 625-FB]
*WI? 4 (12 - 17:1)
CA@ 6
*[CA&BUCKY 626-FB]
SAGASUB 5 (18:5 - 19:4)-FB
……

TORO/TOM RAYMOND
……
SAGAHT 2 (19:3 - 23:?)-FB
**WI? 4 (1 - 5:4) (delete)
*WI? 4 (5:3 - 5:4)
SAGAHT 3 (1 - 4:4)-FB
……
SVTU 17-FB
**WI? 4 (7:2 - 7:3) (delete)
*WI? 4 (7:2 - 8)
SAGAHT 3 (6:6 - 6:7)-FB
……
SAGASUB 5 (17 - 18:1)-FB
**WI? 4 (9 - 16) (delete)
*WI? 4 (9 - 11)
*[CA&BUCKY 625-FB]
*WI? 4 (12 - 17:1)
CA@ 6
……
[M/MC 67]
**WI? 4 (17) (delete)
*WI? 4 (17:2 - 17:5)
SAGASUB 5 (20:3 - 22)-FB
……
ALLWC 19/7
**WI? 4 (8:5 - 19:5) (delete)
*WI? 4 (18:5 - 19:5)
SAGAHT 3 (8:1)-FB
……

TRUMAN, HARRY S
CA 215-FB
*[CA&BUCKY 625 (1 - 3:2)-FB]
**WI? 4 (1 - 16) (delete)
*WI? 4 (9 - 11)
*[CA&BUCKY 625 (14 - 16)-FB]
*WI? 4 (12 - 17:1)
NSUB@ 1/3
**WI? 4 (17 - 34)-BTS (delete)
*WI? 4 (17:2 - 17:5)-BTS
A@ 9-FB
YMEN 24/3-FB
CA 155-FB

UNION JACK II/BRIAN FALSWORTH
……
TWELVE 1
**WI? 4 (1 - 8) (delete)
*WI? 4 (7:2 - 8)
SAGASUB 5-FB
**WI? 4 (9 - 34) (delete)
*WI? 4 (9 - 11)
CV 1-FB
……

WHIZZER/ROBERT L. FRANK
……
TWELVE 1
**WI? 4 (1 - 16) (delete)
*WI? 4 (12 - 17:1)
CA@ 6
**WI? 4 (17) (delete)
*WI? 4 (17:2 - 17:5)
SAGASUB 5-FB
……
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Re: CA&BUCKY 625-628-FBs

Post by Leoparis » Sat May 20, 2017 12:53 pm

I had a post here with explanations earlier in the thread: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5966&p=37229#p37229

But I would revise it as follows:

Naslund chronology:

CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 53/3-FB (childhood memories)
INV 14
INV 15
CA5 4-FB (Spirit of '76 fighting on after Crusaders disband)
CA@ 13-FB (April 1945 mission with Cap & Patriot)
CA 215 (11:2 - 11:4)-FB (appointed as Cap)
CA & B 625 fb1 (Naslund & Davis wait for a meeting with Truman to be appointed as replacements) (Davis with blond hair)
The Twelve 1 (Cap & Bucky in Berlin on April 25, 1945) (Bucky with brown hair)

CA & B 625 fb3 May 1945 (Cap & Bucky behind the door about to be officially presented) (Bucky with blond hair)
WI 4 (12-14) (Cap & Bucky presented to the Invaders, team assigned to Pacific) (Bucky with blond hair)
CA@ 6 June 1945 (in the Pacific) An inexperienced Naslund transported to an alternate Earth to fight Adam II with three other Caps
WI 4 15 (Cap & Bucky vs Japanese soldiers) (Note: can take place any time before Japan's surrender)
Captain America Comics 49 Cover date Aug 45, events from June 45 (in the US)
Captain America Comics 49/3 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 49/4 (in the US)
USA COMICS 17 Cvr date Fall 1945 (in the US)
ALL-SELECT COMICS 9 Fall 1945 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50 Cvr date Oct 45 (in the US?)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50/4 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50/3 (in India)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51 cvr date Dec 45 (in the Pacific) Atom bomb just perfected (the Alamogordo test was on July 16)
N@ 1/3 Potsdam Conference (July 17-26)
CA & B 626 fb (Bucky with Captain America, Namor, Human Torch vs Nazi scientist and zombies) (Note: I place it during the Potsdam conference while Cap is in Germany as bodyguard. Since Truman assigned the Invaders to the Pacific in WI 4, it made little sense to place it between Hitler's death and VE-Day. Alternately, if this took place earlier while the war was still going on in Europe that would mean Naslund didn't follow Truman's order.)

CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51/5 (in the Pacific)
WI?4 (17) panels 4-5 Invaders renamed All-Winners Squad (after Sept 2 1945)
SAGASM 5 p20 panel 3 Sub-Mariner takes a LOA from the All-Winners Squad (right after the previous sequence)

Fred Davis chronology:
M/PRM 30
CA & B 625 fb1 (Naslund & Davis wait for a meeting with Truman) (Davis with blond hair)
The Twelve 1 (Cap & Bucky in Berlin on April 25, 1945) (Bucky with brown hair)

CA & B 625 fb3 May 1945 (Cap & Bucky behind the door) (Bucky with blond hair)
WI 4 (12-14) (Cap & Bucky presented to the Invaders) (Bucky with blond hair)
CA@ 6 June 1945 (in the Pacific) Bucky and Invaders with a still inexperienced Naslund
WI 4 15 (Cap & Bucky vs Japanese soldiers) (Note: can take place any time before Japan's surrender)
Captain America Comics 49 Cover date Aug 45, events from June 45 (in the US)
Captain America Comics 49/3 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 49/4 (in the US)
USA COMICS 17 Cvr date Fall 1945 (in the US)
KID KOMICS 9 Cvr date Fall 1945 (in the US in summer)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50 Cvr date Oct 45 (in the US?)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50/4 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 50/3 (in India)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51 cvr date Dec 45 (in the Pacific) Atom bomb just perfected (the Alamogordo test was on July 16)
CA & B 626 fb (Bucky with Captain America, Namor, Human Torch vs Nazi scientist and zombies) (Note: see above for Naslund)

CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51/5 (in the Pacific)
WI?4 page 17 panels 4-5 Invaders renamed All-Winners Squad (after Sept 2 1945)
SAGASM 5 p20 panel 3 Sub-Mariner takes a LOA from the All-Winners Squad (right after the previous sequence)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 51/3 (in the US)
ALL WINNERS COMICS 17/2 cvr date Winter 45 (in the US)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 52 cvr date Jan 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 52/3
YOUNG ALLIES 18 Cvr date Winter 1945-46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 53 cvr date Feb 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 53/3
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 54 cvr date Mar 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 54/3
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 54/4
YOUNG ALLIES 19 Cvr date Spring 1946
KID KOMICS 10 Cvr date Spring 1946
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 55-FB cvr date Apr 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 55/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 55/4
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 56 cvr date May 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 56/2-FB
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 56/4
ALL-SELECT COMICS 10 cvr date Summer 46
ALL WINNERS COMICS 18/2 cvr date Summer 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 57 cvr date Jul 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 57/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 57/5
M/MYSTERY 75/4 cvr date Aug 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 58 cvr date Sep 46
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 58/3
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 58/5
M/MYSTERY 76/4 cvr date Sep 46 (missing from current chrono?, per other indexes Bucky is in that story)
M/MYSTERY 77/4 cvr date Oct 46 (missing?)
M/MYSTERY 78/4 cvr date Nov 46
ALL WINNERS COMICS 19 cvr date Fall 46
ALL WINNERS COMICS 19/2
ALL WINNERS COMICS 19/7
WI? 4 (18:5 - 30:2) vs Adam II
CA&B 625 fb2 (p 11 panel 2) Bucky sees Cap's dead body
WI?4 (34) Patriot carries the body of Spirit of '76 as the team follows in mourning in CA & B 627)
CA&B 627-FB ("the night Captain America was killed" in mourning as Human Torch fails to console him, date given as Oct 4, 1946. On the other hand, CA:P 1 dates these events in July, C@13 dates it as Autumn 1946, the story is intended as the never-published All Winners #20, so falling between cover dates of Fall and Winter 1946)
CA:P 2 (date given as Sept 46, vs Soviet heroes in England)
CA:P 2 (Mace retires Patriot identity, 23 Sept 1946)

CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 59 cvr date Nov 1946 (new civil identities in Lee school)
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 59/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 59/4
M/MYSTERY 79/4 cvr date Dec 46
ALL WINNERS COMICS 21-FB cvr date Winter 46-47
ALL WINNERS COMICS 21
ALL WINNERS COMICS 21/2
ALL WINNERS COMICS 21/7
ALL WINNERS COMICS 70AS
S-H2 22 (1946)
M/MYSTERY 80/5 cvr date Jan 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 60 cvr date Jan 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 60/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 60/5
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 61 cvr date Mar 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 61/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 61/5
M/MYSTERY 81/5 cvr date Mar 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 62 cvr date May 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 62/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 62/4
M/MYSTERY 82/4 cvr date May 47
M/MYSTERY 82/5
CA:P 2 February 1947 Cap & Bucky break up protector racket
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 63 cvr date Jul 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 63/2
M/MYSTERY 83/4 cvr date Jul 47
M/MYSTERY 83/5
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 64 cvr date Oct 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 64/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 64/4
M/MYSTERY 84/4 cvr date Oct 47
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 65 cvr date Jan 48
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 65/2
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 65/4
CA:P 2 December 1947, children freed from "Satan's workshop" in time for holidays
M/MYSTERY 86/4 cvr date Jun 48

Remove: CV 1-FB Destroyer [Aubrey] meets All Winners Squad in the late 40s[/s]
(Note: Bucky isn't seen in the fb so not in Fred Davis' chronology)

CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 66/4 cvr date Apr 48
CA:P 2 April 1948 All Winners celebrate Mace's birthday
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 66
CA:P 2 Bucky shot
CA:P 3 Bucky operated on
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 66
CA:P 3 Bucky recovers
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 71 cvr date Mar 49 Bucky released from hospital after six months (= Oct 1948)
CA:P 4 June 1950
CV2 1-FB 1953 (Fred Davis is probably depicted among the attendants of Brian Falsworth's burial)
{TB 38}
TB 39
TB 40
TB 49
CV 1
CV 2
CV 3
CV2 1
CV2 2
CV2 3
CV2 4
FS:IM
WS 6-FB
WS 1-FB
CA&B 625-628
WS 6 (dies)

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