Norman Osborn in early Dark Reign

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Norman Osborn in early Dark Reign

Post by robfj » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:14 am

I've found a few anomalies in Norman Osborn's chronology early in Dark Reign.



He's in MSM2 36-FB which is p8-10.1&13&17 where he gives the Ascension drug to Ghazi Rashid, who is the only other character in that scene.

RASHID, GHAZI
MSM2 32-FB
MSM2 36-FB
MSM2 33-BTS
....

Rashid and Osborn are both BTS in MSM 33 where Ms Marvel learns that Rashid has the taken the drug. Rashid is then present in the following issues. So that gives us 1 end of the window for MSM2 36-FB. But MSM2 32-FB isn't any help fixing the start of the window because it's an FB to Carol Danvers' pre-MsM Air Force career.

You have
GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN JR.
....
DA 1 (5 - 7)-FB
MA 20
DA 1 (8 - 9)-FB
A:I 21-BTS
A:I 23
A:I 24
MSM2 36-FB ****
DR:NN /2
DA 3-FB
DA 13-FB
DA 1 (10 - 20)-FB
....
which is certainly before MSM2 33-BTS.

Osborn gives Rashid the drug so he can have superpowers to go after their common enemy Danvers. I would suggest, as does http://www.thegreengoblinshideout.com/d ... -ms-marvel, that he only does this after Ms Marvel turns down his request for her to join his (Dark) Avengers in DA 1 (10 - 20)-FB (actually p10-13).

That still leaves us a lot of room to play with:-
GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN JR.
....
DA 1 (10 - 20)-FB
DR:FF 1
DR:FF 3
DR:FF 4
DR:FF 5
DA 1 (21 - 28)-FB
NA 48
NA 49 (1 - 19)
DA 1 (3 - 32) ~ NA 49 (20 - 22)
DA 2 (1 - 9&10:3)
DA 2 (9&10:4 - 9&10:8) ~ NA 50 (10:1 - 10:3)
NA 50 (10:4 - 19)
DA 2 (11 - 13)
NA 50 (20 - 37)
DA 2 (14 - 22)
DA 3
DA 4
DA 5-FB
W:O 34
DR:YA 3
DR:EL 1 (5 - 6)
FCBD09:A
DR:YA 4
DR:YA 5
ANSAVSH 1
ANSAVSH 2
ANSAVSH 3
ANSAVSH 4
MA 21
MA 23
VOMK 10-FB
AOATLAS2 1
AOATLAS2 3
AOATLAS2 5
MSM2 33-BTS
....

Osborn finds the Ascension formula in old CIA files that his new status gives him access to. Presumably some minion alerts him to it because Norman's not going to search the files himself. This could happen any time, but probably later rather than earlier. Also Carol is alerted by an old contact to someone resurrecting the Ascension Project in MSM2 33. So I figure Osborn didn't use it much earlier. And also Rashid would want to strike as soon as possible. So I'd suggest putting MSM2 36-FB near the end of the window. Say:-
GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN JR.
....
MA 21
MA 23
VOMK 10-FB
MSM2 36-FB ****
AOATLAS2 1
AOATLAS2 3
AOATLAS2 5
MSM2 33-BTS
....



The 2nd problem involves some more 1-on-1 meetings for Norman, this time with Sentry.

Sentry's chronology at this time is straightforward:-
SENTRY/BOB REYNOLDS
....
SECINV 4 (1 - 4:2)
SECINV:FL 5
DA 3-FB Osborn befriends Sentry and invites him to be a Dark Avenger, and then ....
DA 13 (3:5 - 6)-FB .... Osborn gives Sentry more of the serum that created him, and it turns him into the Void
DA 1-FB Sentry supports Osborn in p10-13 where Ms Marvel refuses to work for him
DA 1 ~ NA 49 The unveiling of the Dark Avengers
DA 2 (1 - 9&10:3)
....

However there is a missing app for the Sentry. DA 15 reveals that the threat Osborn has been holding over the Cabal is the Void. But Norman showed the Cabal that threat when he formed them in Secret Invasion: Dark Reign so that issue should be in Sentry's chronology. This obviously has to happen after Osborn recruits Sentry/Void. Ie the earliest possible positioning is:-
SENTRY/BOB REYNOLDS
....
SECINV 4 (1 - 4:2)
SECINV:FL 5
DA 3-FB
DA 13 (3:5 - 6)-FB
SECINV:DR inserted
DA 1-FB
DA 1 ~ NA 49
DA 2 (1 - 9&10:3)
....

But this clashes with
GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN JR.
....
SECINV:FL 5 ****
DR:YA 2-FB
TB 126 (10 - 22)-VO
SECINV:DR (1 - 2)-BTS
UX 505-BTS
SECINV:DR (3 - 7)-BTS
SECINV 8 (24)
SECINV 8 (25 - 26) ~ SECINV:DR (8) ~ DA 1 (1 - 2) ~ UX@2 2 (11)
SECINV:DR (9 - 27) ****
ASM 587
ASM 588
DA 1 (5 - 7)-FB
MA 20
DA 1 (8 - 9)-FB
A:I 21-BTS
A:I 23
A:I 24
MSM2 36-FB
DR:NN /2
DA 3-FB ****
DA 13-FB ****
DA 1 (10 - 20)-FB ****
DR:FF 1
DR:FF 3
DR:FF 4
DR:FF 5
DA 1 (21 - 28)-FB
NA 48
NA 49 (1 - 19)
DA 1 (3 - 32) ~ NA 49 (20 - 22) ****
....

The problem of course is that Sentry app as the Void in the last pages of SECINV:DR is placed here before he is recruited by Osborn and turned into the Void in DA 3-FB and DA 13-FB. The obvious choice of solutions is to either pull SECINV:DR into DA 1 or move the recruitment of Sentry to before DA 1. Moving SECINV:DR might be complicated, while moving the Sentry flashbacks is easy. I think Osborn would have dealt with the timebomb on top of Avengers Mansion as soon as he could after taking the building over. Against that - DA 1 says the events within take a week, and DA 3 says its Sentry FB occurs a few days ago which would normally mean less than a week. Osborn asks Sentry to join his Avengers who don't exist yet - but he's been planning the team since TB 126, and getting existing Mighty Avengers Ares and Sentry might have been a higher priority than the easy pickings from the Thunderbolts. (We never actually see him recruit Ares.)

So I propose:-
GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN JR.
....
SECINV:FL 5
DR:YA 2-FB
TB 126 (10 - 22)-VO
DA 3-FB } moved from
DA 13-FB } after DR:NN /2
SECINV:DR (1 - 2)-BTS
UX 505-BTS
SECINV:DR (3 - 7)-BTS
SECINV 8 (24)
SECINV 8 (25 - 26) ~ SECINV:DR (8) ~ DA 1 (1 - 2) ~ UX@2 2 (11)
SECINV:DR (9 - 27)
ASM 587
ASM 588
DA 1 (5 - 7)-FB
MA 20
DA 1 (8 - 9)-FB
A:I 21-BTS
A:I 23
A:I 24
MSM2 36-FB
DR:NN /2
DA 1 (10 - 20)-FB
DR:FF 1
DR:FF 3
DR:FF 4
DR:FF 5
DA 1 (21 - 28)-FB
NA 48
NA 49 (1 - 19)
DA 1 (3 - 32) ~ NA 49 (20 - 22)
....

I also wondered whether DR:YA 2-FB was in the right place. Here Osborn is buying a special bow and arrows from a supplier of superhero paraphernalia (and maybe he's buying a Hawkeye costume too). I wondered if it should be within DA 1 after he recruits Bullseye as 'Hawkeye'. But the position it's in now also fits with the idea that he already had plans for his Dark Avengers in TB 126. And DR:YA 2 says the FB happens 2 weeks earlier. That issue immediately follows DA 1 which is only 1 week long, do the FB should be before all of DA 1. So I'll leave DR:YA 2-FB where it is. (I know. I'm accepting this time reference and I disagreed with the 1 in the Sentry FB above. So sue me.)



The last point here concerns a Venom/Osborn scene.

VENOM IV/MACDONALD GARGAN
....
SECINV 7
TB 126
TB 127
DR:FF 3
DR:FF 4
DR:FF 5
DA 1-FB
NA 48
NA 49 (1 - 19)
DA 1 ~ NA 49 (20 - 22)-OP
....
DA 1-FB here is p16-20 where Osborn transforms Venom from monstrous into a fake Spider-Man.

But Osborn's chronology above has:-
GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN JR.
....
DR:NN /2
DA 1 (10 - 20)-FB
DR:FF 1
DR:FF 3
DR:FF 4
DR:FF 5
DA 1 (21 - 28)-FB
NA 48
NA 49 (1 - 19)
DA 1 (3 - 32) ~ NA 49 (20 - 22)
....
This puts Venom's transformation before DR:FF. Which makes more sense because he does show up as 'Spider-Man' in that mini-series.

So I propose changing Venom and leaving Osborn alone:-
VENOM IV/MACDONALD GARGAN
....
SECINV 7
TB 126
TB 127
DA 1-FB moved from before NA 48
DR:FF 3
DR:FF 4
DR:FF 5
NA 48
NA 49 (1 - 19)
DA 1 ~ NA 49 (20 - 22)-OP
....

But Norman doesn't get away unscathed. He isn't actually in #1. (Marvel Wiki and comicbookdb.com agree with me.) The guy leading the HAMMER troops does have a hairstyle that *could* be like Norman's, but we don't see enough of it to be sure. And he says "*Our* orders are clear". Osborn would be giving orders not taking them.

So:-
GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN JR.
....
DR:NN /2
DA 1 (10 - 20)-FB
(DR:FF 1 deleted)
DR:FF 3
DR:FF 4
DR:FF 5
DA 1 (21 - 28)-FB
NA 48
NA 49 (1 - 19)
DA 1 (3 - 32) ~ NA 49 (20 - 22)
....



Summary of changes:-

GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN JR.
....
SECINV:FL 5
DR:YA 2-FB
TB 126 (10 - 22)-VO
DA 3-FB } **** moved from
DA 13-FB } **** after DR:NN /2
SECINV:DR (1 - 2)-BTS
UX 505-BTS
SECINV:DR (3 - 7)-BTS
SECINV 8 (24)
SECINV 8 (25 - 26) ~ SECINV:DR (8) ~ DA 1 (1 - 2) ~ UX@2 2 (11)
SECINV:DR (9 - 27)
ASM 587
ASM 588
DA 1 (5 - 7)-FB
MA 20
DA 1 (8 - 9)-FB
A:I 21-BTS
A:I 23
A:I 24
DR:NN /2
DA 1 (10 - 20)-FB
(DR:FF 1 **** deleted)
DR:FF 3
DR:FF 4
DR:FF 5
DA 1 (21 - 28)-FB
NA 48
NA 49 (1 - 19)
DA 1 (3 - 32) ~ NA 49 (20 - 22)
DA 2 (1 - 9&10:3)
DA 2 (9&10:4 - 9&10:8) ~ NA 50 (10:1 - 10:3)
NA 50 (10:4 - 19)
DA 2 (11 - 13)
NA 50 (20 - 37)
DA 2 (14 - 22)
DA 3
DA 4
DA 5-FB
W:O 34
DR:YA 3
DR:EL 1 (5 - 6)
FCBD09:A
DR:YA 4
DR:YA 5
ANSAVSH 1
ANSAVSH 2
ANSAVSH 3
ANSAVSH 4
MA 21
MA 23
VOMK 10-FB
MSM2 36-FB **** moved from after A:I 24
AOATLAS2 1
AOATLAS2 3
AOATLAS2 5
MSM2 33-BTS
....


SENTRY/BOB REYNOLDS
....
SECINV 4 (1 - 4:2)
SECINV:FL 5
DA 3-FB
DA 13 (3:5 - 6)-FB
SECINV:DR **** inserted
DA 1-FB
DA 1 ~ NA 49
DA 2 (1 - 9&10:3)
....


VENOM IV/MACDONALD GARGAN
....
SECINV 7
TB 126
TB 127
DA 1-FB **** moved from before NA 48
DR:FF 3
DR:FF 4
DR:FF 5
NA 48
NA 49 (1 - 19)
DA 1 ~ NA 49 (20 - 22)-OP
....

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