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Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by Samy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:20 pm

I'd like to call attention to the first appearances of Iron Fist supporting characters Conal D'Hu-Tsien and Miranda Rand-K'ai. In both their listings, their first appearance in Iron Fist's first series #2 is missing. Currently their listings are:

RAND-K'AI, MIRANDA +/-
PM&IF 75-FB
PM&IF 75

SHARYD/CONAL +/-
IF3 1
IF3 2
IF3 3

I would suggest adding
IF 2-FB
to the beginning of both of their listings.

Since their stories are closely tied to each other, I might also suggest if someone could check if Conal should have PM&IF 75 listed for him, and whether Miranda should have IF3 1-3 listed for her. I don't have those issues easily nearby right now.

Also, perhaps Conal's full name should be listed while he's being edited?

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by loki » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:07 am

Good catch. And yes, Conal is visible in PM&IF 75, but not the fb (minor amendment to clarify - he's seen in fb, but it isn't showing anything new - in terms of the last Index series, an rfb, reminder flashback, which MCP don't usually list). And Miranda is in IF3 1 through 3 as Death Sting, who has her own listing on MCP.

DEATH STING/MIRANDA RAND
IF 2-FB
IF3 1
IF3 2
IF3 3

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by Samy » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:17 am

So they should be something like

DEATH STING / RAND-K'AI, MIRANDA +/-
IF 2-FB
PM&IF 75-FB
PM&IF 75
IF3 1
IF3 2
IF3 3

SHARYD/CONAL D'HU-TSIEN +/-
IF 2-FB
PM&IF 75
IF3 1
IF3 2
IF3 3

Or should they be separated into civilian and super identities like Miranda currently is?

RAND-K'AI, MIRANDA +/-
IF 2-FB
PM&IF 75-FB
PM&IF 75

CONAL D'HU-TSIEN +/-
IF 2-FB
PM&IF 75

DEATH STING / RAND-K'AI, MIRANDA +/-
IF3 1
IF3 2
IF3 3

SHARYD/CONAL D'HU-TSIEN +/-
IF3 1
IF3 2
IF3 3

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by Somebody » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:45 am

If they debuted as civilians and only later got codenames, it should be:

D'HU-TSIEN, CONAL
IF 2-FB
PM&IF 75
See Sharyd

DEATH STING/MIRANDA RAND-K'AI
From Miranda Rand-K'ai
IF3 1
IF3 2
IF3 3

RAND-K'AI, MIRANDA
IF 2-FB
PM&IF 75-FB
PM&IF 75
See Death Sting

SHARYD/CONAL D'HU-TSIEN
From Conal D'Hu-Tsien
IF3 1
IF3 2
IF3 3

If, OTOH, they were Death Sting & Sharyd all along, they should just have merged listings under the codenames.

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by Samy » Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:24 am

Somebody wrote:If they debuted as civilians and only later got codenames, it should be:
That looks good to me.

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by loki » Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:56 am

Yes, debuted as civilians, got codenames later.

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by Somebody » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:11 pm

Okay, I've just had a quick read over the issues in question. Three things leap out:
1) They're addressed in IF 2-FB as Lord Conal D'Hu-Tsien and Lady Miranda Rand-K'ai.
2) More significantly, Dan Jurgens clearly wasn't aware of PM&IF 75 when he wrote IF3. I find it very hard to credit that the dessicated and basically unidentifiable corpses in PM&IF 75 actually *WERE* the two given what is said and shown in IF3, whatever the original intent of the PM&IF scene. I would delete those appearances.
3) The flashbacks in IF 2, PM&IF 75 and IF3 need going over more carefully, I think. I'll have a fuller look later, but I don't think all of the (unlisted) flashbacks are fully repeats.

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by loki » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:31 pm

Somebody wrote:Okay, I've just had a quick read over the issues in question. Three things leap out:
1) They're addressed in IF 2-FB as Lord Conal D'Hu-Tsien and Lady Miranda Rand-K'ai.
2) More significantly, Dan Jurgens clearly wasn't aware of PM&IF 75 when he wrote IM3. I find it very hard to credit that the dessicated and basically unidentifiable corpses in PM&IF 75 actually *WERE* the two given what is said and shown in IF3, whatever the original intent of the PM&IF scene. I would delete those appearances.
3) The flashbacks in IF 2, PM&IF 75 and IF3 need going over more carefully, I think. I'll have a fuller look later, but I don't think all of the (unlisted) flashbacks are fully repeats.
Valid on 1 and 3, but on 2, while I concur that those two bodies might have been, in hindsight/retcon, fakes placed there by the H'ylthri (they aren't just other random victims, because the costumes and hair match Conal and Miranda, so if they are not them, then they are deliberate fakes), we also can't say for sure that the emaciated remains we see are actually dead. This is the Marvel universe, where people have survived worse. The H'ylthri are sadistic towards humans - it would be no stretch to imagine them keeping a victim hanging right on the edge of death just to prolong their agony, and then having them revived to full health when the H'ylthri found a different use for them. Or they could have died, so the bodies seen were their corpses, but their minds were held on to, and when the H'ylthri needed them, they grew new bodies for them (we know they can make at least reasonable humanoid facsimilies) and downloaded their minds to them. The point is, we can't say for sure that just because they were up and about again later that the two seeming corpses we saw can't be them. So I personally would keep those appearances.

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by Samy » Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:55 pm

I think PM/IF 75 should definitely be kept in, as it is a vital part in their stories. As Loki points out, we can't be absolutely sure that they are dead in those panels. But for the sake of any future writer who wants to read up on them to make their story continuity work, it's important that they check this issue. Even if they *are* dead at that point in time, it's clearly temporary, and this is an appearance by them in an incapacitated condition until they "get better".

Didn't Danny himself get resurrected by the H'ylthri in his Byrne Namor resurrection? Clearly life and death is a fickle line among people stuck in H'ylthri pods. I think it's plausible that we are seeing Miranda and Conal in PMIF 75.

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by Somebody » Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:47 pm

Well, there's "on the edge of death" and there's the condition in PM&IF 75 - the bodies have rotted so far they don't even have eyes in the sockets! (Miranda also claims in IF3 3 that they were kept in the pods the whole time between IF 2-FB and the run-up to IF3)

Beyond that point, short version - things are straight-up wrong at present. Right now, in Danny's chronology, it goes:

M/PRM 16 (8:4 - 12:1)-FB
IF 2-FB
DHKF 21-FB
PM&IF 75 (16:2 - 16:7)-FB
M/PRM 16 (14:2)-FB

But PM&IF 75 (16:2-16:7) is a recap of IF 2-FB! This can't possibly be true! I don't know exactly what DHKF 21-FB entails, if someone could check that...

Here's a breakdown of IF 2-FBs, PM&IF 75-FB, IF3 2-FBs and IF3 3-FBs...

Iron Fist v1 #2-FB

IF 2 (2:2-2:5)-FB: Danny KTAU!s a guy attacking him
IF 2 (2:6-3:3)-FB: Merrin appears, taunts Danny with guys backing him up
IF 2 (3:4-4:4)-FB: Danny fights, knocks a few out, until he gets SKRAI'd on the head and the fight turns
IF 2 (4:5)-FB: Merrin taunts
IF 2 (4:6)-FB: Miranda (masked) hits Merrin from behind
IF 2 (4:7)-FB: Miranda (masked) kicks Merrin in the jaw
IF 2 (5:1-5:4)-FB: Miranda (masked) is grabbed around the waist by a bald guy, tuns it round and PKAU!s him in the face
IF 2 (5:5)-FB: Miranda's mask is ripped off (about halfway at the point of the panel)
IF 2 (5:6)-FB: Bald guys holding Danny react to the assailant being a woman, Danny recognises "Miranda"
IF 2 (5:7)-FB: Miranda: "The one and only. I'm sorry Daniel--I almost got away with it. And the fight was going so well too."
IF 2 (6:1)-FB: Four bald guys react to a "RAAAA!" from behind
IF 2 (6:2)-FB: Conal kicks one of them in the jaw
IF 2 (6:3)-FB: Miranda's free, Conal BRAT!s another bald guy in the jaw, Danny's still held by two bald guys
IF 2 (6:4-6:7)-FB: Danny throws the guys holding him, calls warning to Miranda, she THAK!s his club and CHUFF!s him in the belly
IF 2 (7:1-7:4)-FB: Danny's shocked and appalled that they've broken the law by training Miranda up
IF 2 (7:5-7:7)-FB: Merrin throws a knife at them, Danny catches it and SHTOK!s it straight back into his shoulder
IF 2 (7:8)-FB: Spotlight on Danny, Miranda & Conal, the latter two are under arrest
IF 2 (10:1)-FB: Danny stakes out a spot outside the city
IF 2 (10:2)-FB: Danny spots Conal rappelling down the wall
IF 2 (10:3-11:4)-FB: Danny debates with Conal the sentence and Conal's plan
IF 2 (11:5)-FB: Miranda's rappelled down too in the background
IF 2 (11:6)-FB: Miranda dives at Danny from behind, knocking him down
IF 2 (11:7)-FB: Conal knocks Danny out with a kick and a KRAK!
IF 2 (14:1)-FB-FB: As Danny blacks out, Conal & Miranda run
IF 2 (14:4-14:6)-FB-FB: Danny wakes up, follows them, literally stops to smell the flowers...
IF 2 (14:1-14:3)-FB ...which knock him out! He wakes up tied up by a group of H'ylthri, led by Lord Sssesthugar
IF 2 (15)-FB: Sssesthugar spells out exactly why they hate the humans.
IF 2 (16:1)-FB: "But enough talk--we are too close to the valley of the aliens--the valley of the damned--search parties might yet find us... you and your friends will be taken into the heart of H'ylthri--from which there will be no rescue, and no escape. Bring the others."
IF 2 (16:2)-FB: Danny reacts to seeing...
IF 2 (16:3)-FB: The three pods. He's between the ones holding Conal and Miranda, the third pod is on the right and open.
IF 2 (16:4)-FB: Danny's fists power up
IF 2 (16:5)-FB: Whole body glowing, he SHHKOW!s out of the bonds
IF 2 (17:1-17:3)-FB: Danny fights Sssesthugar, claiming they shouldn't hate so much, when the H'ylthri lord stops him dead by pointing out how much he hates Harold Meachum.
IF 2 (17:4)-FB: They sting Danny
IF 2 (17:5)-FB: He swings wildly. Miranda cries "DANIEL!"
IF 2 (17:6)-FB: He falls, reaching out.
IF 2 (17:7)-FB: From the pod she cries, "Daniel, help me! Please, help me--!! BROTHER!!". He can't and blacks out.
IF 2 (18:1-18:3)-FB: When he wakes up, he reapply blundered around until he got herded back to K'Un-Lun

Power Man & Iron Fist #75

PM&IF 75 (16:2)-FB: Miranda (masked) kicks Merrin, Conal attacks someone behind her, Danny is held off to her left
PM&IF 75 (16:3)-FB: Miranda, mask ripped off but still attached to her costume
PM&IF 75 (16:4-16:5)-FB: Sentence, escape
PM&IF 75 (16:6)-FB: Danny sees them in pods
PM&IF 75 (16:7)-FB: "Help me Brother!"

Iron Fist v3 #2-FB

IF3 2 (9:3)-FB: Danny being held by a thug
IF3 2 (9:4)-FB: Miranda (masked) shouts "Leave him be, Lord Merrin"
IF3 2 (9:5)-FB: Miranda's mask *beginning* to be ripped off
IF3 2 (9:6)-FB: Miranda, unmasked, "Don't just sit there, Danny! Let's end this rumble!"
IF3 2 (9:7)-FB: Conal jump-kick. Danny is free, Miranda is...falling?
IF3 2 (9:8)-FB: Post-sentence/escape, Miranda hits Danny from behind
IF3 2 (9:9)-FB: Danny sees Miranda in pod
IF3 2 (9:10)-FB: Danny punching, Iron Fist'd up with mask on
IF3 2 (9:11)-FB: "Daniel! Help me! Please help me --Brother!"

Iron Fist v3 #3-FB

IF3 3 (10:2)-FB: Miranda (masked) kicks Merrin, Danny is held behind her [Note: Danny misidentifies the event as the "Test of the Many and the One", which was a formal thing that was later than this]
IF3 3 (10:3)-FB: Miranda unmasked, ripped mask in a guy's hand
IF3 3 (10:4)-FB: Miranda, unmasked, "thrashing" several guys at once
IF3 3 (11:1)-FB: Danny drops in on escaping Conal
IF3 3 (11:3)-FB: Miranda hits Danny from behind
IF3 3 (11:4)-FB: Tied-up Danny in front of H'ylthri
IF3 3 (12:1)-FB: "You and your friends will be taken into the heart of the H'ylthri--from which there will be no rescue and no escape!"
IF3 3 (12:3)-FB: Conal & Miranda in pods, third pod open
IF3 3 (12:4)-FB: Danny reaching out, glowing hand.
IF3 3 (12:5)-FB: "Daniel, Help me! Please help me!! Brother!!"

Overall sequence is:

IF 2 (2:2-4:4)-FB: "Danny KTAU!s a guy attacking him" to "Merrin taunts" (4:4) is ~ IF3 2 (9:3)-FB
IF3 2 (9:4)-FB: Miranda (masked) hits Merrin from behind, shouts "Leave him be, Lord Merrin"
IF 2 (4:6)-FB: Miranda (masked) continues with the move, snarks at him
IF 2 (4:7)-FB: Miranda (masked) continues snarking, kicks Merrin in the jaw, Danny off-panel but should be behind him with the staging of (4:6)
IF3 3 (10:2)-FB: Merrin recoils further from Miranda's spin-kick, Danny now on-panel as she's spun further
PM&IF 75 (16:2)-FB: Miranda (masked) kicks Merrin again, Conal attacks someone behind her, Danny is now held off to her left as they continue to rotate
IF 2 (5:1-5:4)-FB: Miranda (masked) is grabbed away from continuing to beat up Merrin by a bald guy, tuns it round and punches him in the face
IF 2 (5:5)-FB: Miranda's mask is being ripped off, her fist is unclenching
IF3 2 (9:5)-FB: Miranda's fist has unclenched a tad more
PM&IF 75 (16:3)-FB: Miranda, mask off her face but still attached to her costume
IF 2 (5:6)-FB: Bald guys holding Danny react to the assailant being a woman, Danny recognises "Miranda"
IF3 3 (10:3)-FB: Miranda's mask now entirely detached, ripped mask in the guy's hand
IF 2 (5:7-6:3)-FB: Miranda snarkily reacts to being unmasked, Conal yells and distracts four guys, kicking one of them in the head. Snarks at Danny.
IF3 2 (9:6)-FB: Miranda joins in the snark at him for just sitting there.
IF 2 (6:4)-FB: Danny throws the guys holding him
IF3 2 (9:7)-FB: The three of them fighting at once
IF3 3 (10:4)-FB: Miranda, unmasked, "thrashing" several guys at once
IF 2 (6:5-6:7)-FB: Danny calls warning to Miranda, she THAK!s his club and CHUFF!s him in the belly
IF 2 (7:1-7:4)-FB: Danny's shocked and appalled that they've broken the law by training Miranda up
IF 2 (7:5-7:7)-FB: Merrin throws a knife at them, Danny catches it and SHTOK!s it straight back into his shoulder
IF 2 (7:8)-FB: Spotlight on Danny, Miranda & Conal, the latter two are under arrest
PM&IF 75 (16:4)-FB: Miranda & Conal are sentenced
IF 2 (10:1)-FB: Danny stakes out a spot outside the city ~ PM&IF 75 (16:5)-FB: Conal & Miranda rappel down a wall together
IF 2 (10:2)-FB: Danny spots Conal rappelling down the last section of wall solo
IF3 3 (11:1)-FB: Danny, his left arm bracing on a wall, drops in on escaping Conal
IF 2 (10:3)-FB: Just after. Danny's left arm is now down at his side.
IF 2 (10:4-11:4)-FB: Danny debates with Conal the sentence and Conal's plan
IF 2 (11:5)-FB: Miranda's rapelled down too in the background
IF3 2 (9:8)-FB: Miranda dives at Danny from behind with crossed arms, knocking him down
IF 2 (11:6)-FB: Continued (her feet, under gravity, are lower; while her arms hitting Danny's back are less so)
IF3 3 (11:3)-FB: Danny's practically down now, she's uncrossing her arms
IF 2 (11:7)-FB: Conal knocks Danny out with a kick and a KRAK!
IF 2 (14:1)-FB-FB: As Danny blacks out, Conal & Miranda run (Note: Panel overlay)
IF 2 (14:4-14:6)-FB-FB: Danny wakes up, follows them, literally stops to smell the flowers...
IF 2 (14:1-14:3)-FB ...which knock him out! He wakes up tied up by a group of H'ylthri, led by Lord Sssesthugar
IF 2 (15:1-15:5)-FB: Sssesthugar spells out exactly why they hate the humans.
IF3 3 (11:4)-FB: Tied-up Danny in front of H'ylthri. While it loosely references IF 2 (14:3)-FB for Danny's position, the scenery is different and so are the relative positions of the H'ylthri, so I've put it here after Danny's been picked up and thrown down.
IF 2 (15:6-15:7)-FB: Continued
IF 2 (16:1)-FB: "But enough talk--we are too close to the valley of the aliens--the valley of the damned--search parties might yet find us... you and your friends will be taken into the heart of H'ylthri--from which there will be no rescue, and no escape. Bring the others." ~ IF3 3 (12:1)-FB: "You and your friends will be taken into the heart of the H'ylthri--from which there will be no rescue and no escape!". The latter is a reverse-angle, which shows Sssesthugar but focuses on Danny, while the original only contains Sssesthugar.
IF 2 (16:2)-FB: Danny reacts to seeing...
IF 2 (16:3)-FB: The three pods. He's between the ones holding Conal and Miranda, the third pod is on the right and open.
PM&IF 75 (16:6)-FB: Danny's now closest to Miranda's pod, an additional pair of H'ylthri are there, while "his" pod is not visible (while the staging obscures where it is, it should still be on-panel in part!)
IF3 2 (9:9)-FB: The left of the two H'ylthri from PM&IF 75 (16:6)-FB gestures at Miranda's pod
IF3 3 (12:3)-FB: Danny's been moved much closer to "his" pod.
IF 2 (16:4)-FB: Danny's fists power up
IF 2 (16:5)-FB: Whole body glowing, he SHHKOW!s out of the bonds
IF 2 (17:1-17:3)-FB: Danny fights Sssesthugar, claiming they shouldn't hate so much, when the H'ylthri lord stops him dead by pointing out how much he hates Harold Meachum.
IF 2 (17:4)-FB: They sting Danny
IF 2 (17:5)-FB: He swings wildly. Miranda cries "DANIEL!"
IF3 2 (9:10)-FB: Getting stung again during a cry of "DANIEL!"
IF 2 (17:6)-FB: He falls, reaching out.
IF3 3 (12:4)-FB: Stretching just a little bit further
IF 2 (17:7)-FB: From the pod she cries, "Daniel, help me! Please, help me--!! BROTHER!!". He can't and blacks out. ~ PM&IF 75 (16:7)-FB: "Help me Brother!" ~ IF3 2 (9:11)-FB: "Daniel! Help me! Please help me --Brother!" This one's important for being a reverse angle that also shows Conal ~ IF3 3 (12:5)-FB: "Daniel, Help me! Please help me!! Brother!!"
IF 2 (18:1-18:3)-FB: When he wakes up, he apparently blundered around until he got herded back to K'Un-Lun


That leaves us with what I like to call "the bit that'll make Russ hate me" ;) - the expanded chronologies!

IRON FIST VIII/DANIEL RAND
[...]
M/PRM 16 (8:4 - 12:1)-FB
*DHKF 21-FB (possibility A - someone else needs to check)
**IF 2 (2:2-4:4)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:4)-FB
**IF 2 (4:6-4:7)-FB
**IF3 3 (10:2)-FB
**PM&IF 75 (16:2)-FB
**IF 2 (5:6-6:4)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:7)-FB
**IF 2 (6:5-7:8)-FB
**IF 2 (10:1-10:2)-FB
**IF3 3 (11:1)-FB
**IF 2 (10:3-11:5)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:8)-FB
**IF 2 (11:6)-FB
**IF3 3 (11:3)-FB
**IF 2 (11:7)-FB
**IF 2 (14:1)-FB-FB
**IF 2 (14:4-14:6)-FB-FB
**IF 2 (14:1-14:3)-FB
**IF 2 (15:1-15:5)-FB
**IF3 3 (11:4)-FB
**IF 2 (15:6-15:7)-FB
**IF3 3 (12:1)-FB
**IF 2 (16:2-16:3)-FB
**PM&IF 75 (16:6)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:9)-FB
**IF3 3 (12:3)-FB
**IF 2 (16:4-17:5)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:10)-FB
**IF 2 (17:6)-FB
**IF3 3 (12:4)-FB
**IF 2 (17:7-18:3)-FB
*DHKF 21-FB (possibility B - someone else needs to check)
M/PRM 16 (14:2)-FB
[...]

*RAND-K'AI, LADY MIRANDA
**IF3 2 (9:4)-FB
**IF 2 (4:6-4:7)-FB
**IF3 3 (10:2)-FB
**PM&IF 75 (16:2)-FB
**IF 2 (5:1-5:5)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:5)-FB
**PM&IF 75 (16:3)-FB
**IF3 3 (10:3)-FB
**IF 2 (5:7-6:3)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:6-9:7)-FB
**IF3 3 (10:4)-FB
**IF 2 (6:5-7:8)-FB
**PM&IF 75 (16:4-16:5)-FB
**IF 2 (10:3-11:5)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:8)-FB
**IF 2 (11:6)-FB
**IF3 3 (11:3)-FB
**IF 2 (14:1)-FB-FB
**IF 2 (16:2-16:3)-FB
**PM&IF 75 (16:6)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:9)-FB
**IF3 3 (12:3)-FB
**IF 2 (16:4-17:5)-FB-VO
**IF3 2 (9:10)-FB-VO
**IF 2 (17:7)-FB
PM&IF 75 (maybe...)
See Death Sting


**D'HU-TSIEN, LORD CONAL
**PM&IF 75 (16:2)-FB
**IF 2 (5:7-6:3)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:7)-FB
**IF 2 (6:5-7:8)-FB
**PM&IF 75 (16:4-16:5)-FB
**IF 2 (10:1-10:2)-FB
**IF3 3 (11:1)-FB
**IF 2 (10:3-11:5)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:8)-FB
**IF 2 (11:6-11:7)-FB
**IF 2 (14:1)-FB-FB
**IF 2 (16:2-16:3)-FB
**PM&IF 75 (16:6)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:11)-FB
**PM&IF 75 (maybe...)
**See Sharyd

**MERRIN, LORD
**IF 2 (2:2-4:4)-FB
**IF3 2 (9:4)-FB
**IF 2 (4:6-4:7)-FB
**IF3 3 (10:2)-FB
**PM&IF 75 (16:2)-FB
**IF 2 (6:5-7:8)-FB

**SSSESTHUGAR
**IF 2 (14:2-15:5)-FB
**IF3 3 (11:4)-FB
**IF 2 (15:6-17:5)-FB

*DEATH STING/LADY MIRANDA RAND-K'AI
**From Miranda Rand-K'ai
IF3 1
**IF3 1-FB *photo
IF3 2
IF3 3

*SHARYD/LORD CONAL D'HU-TSIEN
**From Conal D'Hu-Tsien
IF3 1
IF3 2
IF3 3

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by loki » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:43 pm

I'll leave it to you and the other regular MCPers to deal with the expanded fb chronology. That's some detailed work you've put in, and I'm not going to quibble over any of it. On your first paragraph though...
Somebody wrote:Well, there's "on the edge of death" and there's the condition in PM&IF 75 - the bodies have rotted so far they don't even have eyes in the sockets!
True, but we've still seen people recover from worse in Marvel. And even if they were outright dead in that scene, that still wouldn't prevent them being revived.
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Somebody wrote: (Miranda also claims in IF3 3 that they were kept in the pods the whole time between IF 2-FB and the run-up to IF3)
She had no eyes - how would she know if they'd taken her out the pod? :-P

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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by Col_Fury » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:07 am

Somebody wrote:DHKF 21-FB (possibility A - someone else needs to check)
Looking at the two August Personage in Jade profiles at the Appendix, and comparing to the MCP's placement of the flashback, I'm not sure if what we have listed is an actually flashback (the way the MCP defines it), but rather a comment in the dialogue that refers to something that happened in this area.

It does look like there's a "real" flashback in this issue, but it looks like it occurs later than where we currently have it. Also, I don't think all three characters we currently have listed for it appear in it.

Anyone have Deadly Hands of Kung Fu (magazine) #21 to check?
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Re: Miranda and Conal in Iron Fist #2

Post by lettsmonster » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:48 pm

Ah, to revisit the old DHKF magazines. What fun!

DHKF 21 has two separate FB's.

In the first, during a present day battle, Iron Fist remembers a conversation on battle strategy between himself and AUGUST PERSONAGE IN JADE II/YU-TI II/WU-AN as they walked through the gardens of K'un Lun. Iron Fist is still quite young, perhaps midway through his ten years in K'un Lun. The top of his head barely reaches the shoulder of Yu-Ti. I don't yet have the IIF series so I can't verify if the current placement for the FB is correct.

The second FB is the memories of AUGUST PERSONAGE IN JADE/YU-TI/TU-AN, now a spirit living in Feng-Tu, the land of the dead. He recalls the rise to power of Dhasha Khan, the current ruler of Feng-Tu, and how Yu-Ti and his fellow spirits were unable to stop him. I think we should change this appearance to a FB-BTS as Yu-Ti himself is not shown in his memories. I think the placement of this FB is correct.

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