Some problems with Avengers Initiative #26

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Some problems with Avengers Initiative #26

Post by robfj » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:02 pm

Taskmaster is shown in a flashback panel in A:I 26 on p4 training a group (Brothers Grimm III, Mandrill, Razorfist III, Scorcher and Vampiro II). Later on p11-13 he and Hood train the same group and Hood kills Vampiro with his demon power. There appears to be confusion about whether the 2nd scene is also a flashback.

HOOD III/PARKER ROBBINS
....
M/Z4 4
DP:SK 4
A:I 26-FB ****
DR:HOOD 1
DR:HOOD 2
DR:HOOD 3
DR:HOOD 4
DR:HOOD 5
P8 2
P8 3
P8 4
P8 5
P8 6
P8 8
P8 10
MA 24 (1 - 2)
DR:MN 1
DR:MN 2
DR:MN 3 (1 - 18:4)
DR:MN 3-FB
DR:MN 3 (18:5 - 22)
MA 24 (3 - 24)
NA 51 (6 - 11)
NA 52-FB
NA 52
NA 53-FB
NA 53 (1 - 20)
NA 54-FB
NA 53 (21 - 22)
NA 54 ****
DA 6
DR:MM /5
A:I 26 ****
A:I 28
A:I 29
....

TASKMASTER/TONY MASTERS
....
DP4 9
TB 131
A:I 26-FB ****
A:I 32 (3:4)-FB
A:I 27 (6:1)-FB
A:I 26 ****
A:I 27 (6:2)-FB
A:I 27
....

Hood and Taskmaster are listed in both the FB and main sections of A:I 26, but they both also appear in other FB bits and other parts of the present day action so there's no useful clue there.

BROTHERS GRIMM III/BARTON & PERCY GRIMES
....
A:I 25
M/Z4 1
A:I 26-FB ****
DR:HOOD 1
DR:HOOD 2
DR:HOOD 4
DR:HOOD 5
A:I 27
A:I 28
....

MANDRILL/HENSLEY FARGUS
....
NA 55-FB
M/Z4 2
A:I 26-FB ****
DR:HOOD 4
DR:HOOD 5
NA 55
NA 56
NA 57
NA 60
A:I 31
....

RAZORFIST III/DOUGLAS SCOTT
....
A:I 25
DR:HOOD 1
DR:HOOD 2
DR:HOOD 4
DR:HOOD 5
A:I 26-FB ****
A:I 28
....

SCORCHER/STEVEN JAMAL HUDAK
....
A:I 25
A:I 26-FB ****
DR:HOOD 2
DR:HOOD 3
DR:HOOD 4
DR:HOOD 5
DR:MN 1
DR:MN 2
A:I 27
A:I 28
....

VAMPIRO II
NO3 5
A:I 26-FB ****
A:I 26 ****

Brothers Grimm, Mandrill, Razorfist and Scorcher are only listed in the FB but Vampiro is listed in both parts of the issue. So Vampiro believes his 2nd scene isn't a flashback, but the others either believe it is an FB or have just been missed off the main section by accident.

A big clue as to which is right lies in the fact that Hood uses his demon form to kill Vampiro, but he loses his demonic power in NA 54 which lies between the A:I 26-FB and A:I 26. So the 2nd scene with the trainees should be with the 1 panel FB (even though the comic doesn't actually say it's a flashback).

So the solution is to delete Vampiro from the non-FB section, leaving the poor guy with only 2 apps.

VAMPIRO II
NO3 5
A:I 26-FB




But my investigation into this has revealed some other related problems to be resolved.


Notice that the FB's for Brothers Grimm, Mandrill and Scorcher all occur before issues of DR:HOOD, but Razorfist's FB is after DR:HOOD 5. Hood's app here is before his series, so Razorfist is wrong. He should have:-

RAZORFIST III/DOUGLAS SCOTT
....
A:I 25
A:I 26-FB moved from after DR:HOOD 5
DR:HOOD 1
DR:HOOD 2
DR:HOOD 4
DR:HOOD 5
A:I 28
....


Brothers Grimm are only listed in the FB although 1 of them is definitely in the main section being attacked by Tigra at the end. Presumably they get listed as a pair even if only 1 of them is involved.

BROTHERS GRIMM III/BARTON & PERCY GRIMES
....
A:I 25
M/Z4 1
A:I 26-FB
DR:HOOD 1
DR:HOOD 2
DR:HOOD 4
DR:HOOD 5
A:I 26 inserted
A:I 27
A:I 28
....


I also see Cutthroat with the group in p13.1 of the FB, who you don't mention. comicbookdb agrees that he's in the issue, and I definitely can't see him anywhere anywhere else. Grand Comics Database has him here but with a query. Marvel Wiki doesn't list him at all. So you takes your choice as to whether you believe in him. If you do it fits here:-

CUTTHROAT/DANIEL LEIGHTON
....
NA 55-FB
DR:CABAL /3
A:I 26-FB inserted
DR:HOOD 5
A:I 27
A:I 29
....


You might also want to add some people in the group scene p19.4. You already have Batwing, Bengal, Ringer II and Slaughter Boy.
But I can add some others (with some backup from the sites mentioned above). Some of the additions you already have in A:I 27 (along with the guys above), but I and the sites can see the other additions also in #27, so I've included those apps here as well.

BUTTERBALL/EMERY SCHAUB
....
A:I 13 (22:4)-FB
A:I 13 (22)
A:I 26 inserted
A:I 27
A:I 28
....

The next 2 are Vampiro's companions-in-crime from NO3 5. Note that Badd Axe is seen in later issues but Fire-Arms is killed in #27.

BADD AXE
NO3 5
A:I 26 inserted
A:I 27 inserted
A:I 31
A:I 34
A:I 35

FIRE-ARMS
NO3 5
A:I 26 inserted
A:I 27 inserted

The next 5 are the group Heavy Mettle from early issues of NW2.

BARRACUDA
NW2 4
NW2 7
A:I 26 inserted
A:I 27 inserted

RIOT II
NW2 4
NW2 7
A:I 26 inserted
A:I 27 inserted

STRONGHOLD
NW2 4
NW2 7
A:I 26 inserted
A:I 27 inserted

WARBOW II
NW2 4
NW2 7
A:I 26 inserted
A:I 27 inserted

The 5th of these is a special case Blackwing. You have the character in #27 as the original Blackwing Joseph Manfredi. But the char in #26 has the costume and curves of the female Blackwing II from Heavy Mettle, and the app in #27 has that costume too. (comicbookdb and Marvel Wiki agree it's Blackwing II, Grand Comics Database isn't specific.) (Both Blackwing chars were in the NW2 issues because Heavy Mettle worked for Joseph Manfredi.) So I propose a double change.

BLACKWING/JOSEPH MANFREDI
....
NW2 6-BTS
NW2 7
(A:I 27 deleted)

BLACKWING II
NW2 4
NW2 7
A:I 26 inserted
A:I 27 inserted

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Re: Some problems with Avengers Initiative #26

Post by robfj » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:30 pm

An addendum:-

Cutthroat is in #25 too so I'll further amend his entry to

CUTTHROAT/DANIEL LEIGHTON
....
NA 55-FB
DR:CABAL /3
A:I 25 inserted
A:I 26-FB inserted
DR:HOOD 5
A:I 27
A:I 29
....

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