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More Noh-Varr Appearance Confusion

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There are 2 problems with Noh-Varr's sequence at the end of Dark Reign concerning his apps in MSM2 50/2, DA@ 1 and the SWORD series. None of these issues were mentioned in Col_Fury's Utopia to Siege thread. The original Noh-Varr Appearance Confusion thread was concerned about earlier apps, but its version of the later apps seemed to match what I'm going to suggest without any discussion.


Noh-Varr's chronology in the era is split.

CAPTAIN MARVEL VI/NOH-VARR | EARTH-200080
....
DA 5 (16)-FB
DA 6
MSM2 50/2
DRL:W
DA@ 1
SWORD 2
SWORD 5

PROTECTOR VI/NOH-VARR | EARTH-200080
A4 2
A4 3
A4 4
A4 5
A4 6
IAAA 2/4
A4 7
....

1st of all I need to correct something. Noh-Varr isn't in DA 6 despite being on the cover (Mike Deodato must have liked him because he kept on including him). He's only mentioned as AWOL.
He should however be in the non-FB section of DA 5 which only contains 4 characters:- Norman Osborn doing an interview with Shannon Quellor, spread throughout the issue and sharing the last 2 pages with panels of Noh-Varr in bed with Moonstone (which follow from DA 5 (16)-FB which has Bullseye watching the pair go into Moonstone's bedroom.

CAPTAIN MARVEL VI/NOH-VARR | EARTH-200080
....
DA 5 (16)-FB
DA 5 ** corrected from DA 6
MSM2 50/2
DRL:W
DA@ 1
SWORD 2
SWORD 5


Noh-Varr's main chronology is then:-
In DA 5 he quits the Dark Avengers as Captain Marvel (because of what Moonstone told him in the bed scene).
In DRL:W he's still in the Marvel Boy/Captain Marvel costume (but he only refers to himself as Noh-Varr).
In DA@ 1 he meets Annie. Sentry tries to bring him back to the Dark Avengers. The Supreme Intelligence gives him Nega Bands, a new uniform and a new job as Protector.
In A4 2 he joins the Avengers as Protector.
In A4 7 he introduces Annie to the Avengers as his girlfriend.




I'll continue with the simplest of the 2 problems - the position of MSM2 50/2. Here Noh-Varr is Protector and Annie is with him. So this should occur after DA@ 1. He's only learning to use the Nega Bands so I'd guess it should be soon after that. This tale has no connection with the main story in MSM2 50. The only other named character is supposedly an Annie from the future. (I don't know if she's really Leah who pretends to be a future Annie in Young Avengers vol 2, but you haven't really covered that yet and I haven't read it.)

So MSM2 50/2 should be moved after DA@ 1. And because he's now Protector it should be put at the beginning of the Protector's chronology.

CAPTAIN MARVEL VI/NOH-VARR | EARTH-200080
....
DA 5 (16)-FB
DA 5
DRL:W
DA@ 1
SWORD 2
SWORD 5

PROTECTOR VI/NOH-VARR | EARTH-200080
MSM2 50/2 ** moved from before DRL:W in CAPTAIN MARVEL VI
A4 2
A4 3
A4 4
A4 5
A4 6
IAAA 2/4
A4 7
....


Note that Annie has no MCP sequence. She has no surname, but you already have 1 character just called Annie. So I guess she'll have to be ANNIE II if you want to acknowledge her.

Her complete chronology is
ANNIE II
DA@ 1
MSM2 50/2
A4 7
A4 26
A4 27




The other problem is more difficult - the SWORD issues. In #2 Noh-Varr's captured by SWORD. In #5 they let him go. But in both issues he's dressed as Marvel Boy/Captain Marvel not Protector. So they need to be before DA@ 1.

As I mentioned above the Noh-Varr Appearance Confusion thread does have its SWORD issues before DA@ 1. But because it's not discussed there is no indication where they should fit relative to any other Dark Reign events.

(Alternatively we could say Noh-Varr reverted to his old uniform for his SWORD apps. But in DA@ 1 the Supreme Intelligence seemed to transmute his old uniform into the Protector version. Or we could just say Noh-Varr has been mistakenly drawn in SWORD with the wrong uniform.)

The SWORD series might be tricky to move, if only because it includes some X-Men. But I think DA@ 1 isn't welded in place.

The bulk of the issue only features Sentry as well as Noh-Varr and Annie. But the presence of Sentry only means it has to be before Siege. As does the cameo at the end of Bucky-Cap and non-Cap Steve Rogers contemplating recruiting Protector for the Avengers.

Similarly the 2 pages of Norman Osborn and his Dark Avengers can be placed anywhere before Siege. The other cameos are even more generic - wordless panels of the FF and Abigail Brand (and Norman Osborn) investigating Noh-Varr's attempts to contact the Supreme Intelligence. These could easily be moved anywhere.

So I suggest moving DA@ 1 to after SWORD.

CAPTAIN MARVEL VI/NOH-VARR | EARTH-200080
....
DA 5 (16)-FB
DA 5 ** corrected from DA 6
DRL:W
SWORD 2
SWORD 5
DA@ 1 ** moved from before DRL:W

PROTECTOR VI/NOH-VARR | EARTH-200080
MSM2 50/2 ** moved from before DRL:W in CAPTAIN MARVEL VI
A4 2
A4 3
A4 4
A4 5
A4 6
IAAA 2/4
A4 7
....


There's 1 last choice that could be made. Should DA@ 1 be the last entry for CAPTAIN MARVEL or the 1st for PROTECTOR? After all he exists in both roles in the issue. (But only fights as CAPTAIN MARVEL, and has more pages as him.)

(If you don't want to move DA@ 1 to after SWORD then the SWORD apps should really be moved to PROTECTOR, because that's who he is then. (And use 1 of the 2 reasons for the wrong costume.) I'd put them after MSM2 50/2 because there he's supposed to be still learning about his new powers.)


I placed DA@ 1 in Norman Osborn's chronology after his SWORD appearance.

GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN JR.
....
DRL:W
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
DW 81
DX 1-5
DRL:ASM
MA 32-33
DD 504
IIM 14-20
DA:ARES 3
VOMK 2
SWORD 4
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
TB 138-139
TB 140-FB
OSIEGE
DA 14
....

I put it before TB 138-140 because they end with the immanent Siege.

This is enough to fix the position for Victoria Hand and the Dark Avengers (Ares isn't included).

HAND, VICTORIA
....
DRL:H
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
DX 4-BTS
DX 5
DRL:ASM
MA 32
IIM 14,17-19
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
DA 14
....

BULLSEYE/LESTER/"BENJAMIN POINDEXTER"
....
DRL:SECWARR
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
DW 81
DX 3
MA 32-33
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
DA 14
....

DAKEN/AKIHIRO
....
DW 80
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
DW 81
DX 3
MA 32-33
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
DA 14
....

MOONSTONE II/KARLA SOFEN
....
DW 78
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
DW 81
DX 1,3
MA 32-33
SWORD 4
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
DA 14
....

SENTRY/BOB REYNOLDS
....
DRL:X
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
DX 3
MA 32-33
VOMK 1-2
SWORD 4
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
DA 14
....

VENOM IV/MACDONALD GARGAN
....
NA@ 3
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
DW 81
DX 3
MA 32-33
SWORD 4
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
DA 14
....

VENOM SYMBIOTE unsurprisingly the same
....
NA@ 3
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
DW 81
DX 3
MA 32-33
SWORD 4
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
DA 14
....

It's also straightforward for
BRAND, ABIGAIL
....
ASTONX3 35
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
SWORD 1/2
SWORD 1-5
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
HERALDS 1
....
because HERALDS is well after Siege.

For the rest of the cast of DA@ 1 I had to choose which side of Fall of the Hulks/World War Hulks to place the issue. I chose to put DA@ 1 after the Hulky stuff but I don't think there's any evidence either way.

CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVE ROGERS
....
NA@ 3
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
IIM 21-22,24
FOHS:G
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
NA 61-62
SIEGE 1
....

CAPTAIN AMERICA VII/JAMES BUCHANAN BARNES JR.
....
NA@ 3
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
IIM 17,19-22
AV.ATLAS 1,4
WOSM2 8
FOHS:G
WWHS /2
IH2 606-607
H2 21
IH2 609-FB
H2 22
WWHS:CAV.W 1 (1:1)-FB
WWHS:CAV.W 1 (1:5)-FB
WWHS:CAV.W 1-2
IH2 609
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
NA 61-62
SIEGE 2 (7 - 11:6)
....

HUMAN TORCH II/JOHNNY STORM
....
IH2 601
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
IIM 17,19-22
TORCH 5
UX 522
BP5 11
BP5 12 (1 - 10)
DOOMWAR 3-FB
BP5 12 (11 - 22)
DOOMWAR 3-5
DOOMWAR 6-FB
DOOMWAR 6 (1 - 21)
VOMK 1
FF 570-572
FF 573-FB
FF 574
ASMP:JPOT 3-BTS
WWHS:CAV.W 2/2-FB
DP4 21
IH2 604-605
IH2 606-FB
H2 19
FOHS:SAVSHS 1-FB
H2 21
IH2 609-FB
H2 22
WWHS:CAV.W 1/2
WWHS:CAV.W 2/2
IH2 609-611
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
ASM DIG 17
SIEGE 3
....

INVISIBLE WOMAN/SUE STORM RICHARDS
....
GIRLC2 1/5-BTS
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
TORCH 5
UX 522
DOOMWAR 3-5
DOOMWAR 6-FB
DOOMWAR 6 (1 - 21)
VOMK 1
FF 570-574
ASMP:JPOT 3
WWHS:CAV.W 2/2-FB
DP4 21
IH2 604-605
IH2 606-FB
FOHS:G
H2 19,21-22
IH2 610-611
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
SIEGE 3
....

MR. FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS
....
GIRLC2 1/5
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
TORCH 4-6
UX 522
T 604
BP5 9-11
BP5 12 (1 - 10)
DOOMWAR 3-FB
BP5 12 (11 - 22)
DOOMWAR 3-5
DOOMWAR 6-FB
DOOMWAR 6 (1 - 21)
VOMK 1
FF 570-572
FF 574
ASMP:JPOT 2-3
WWHS:CAV.W 2/2-FB
DP4 21
WOSM2 10/2
IH2 604-605
IH2 606-FB
FOHS:G
H2 19
FOHS:RH 2-FB
FOHS:SAVSHS 1-FB
H2 20
IH2 608
H2 22
IH2 609-611
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
SIEGE 4
....

THING II/BENJAMIN J. GRIMM
....
GIRLC2 1/5
DA@ 1 ** moved from here
TORCH 5
UX 522
T 604
BP5 11
BP5 12 (1 - 10)
DOOMWAR 3-FB
BP5 12 (11 - 22)
DOOMWAR 3-5
DOOMWAR 6-FB
DOOMWAR 6 (1 - 21)
VOMK 1
FF 570-572
FF 573-FB
FF 574
WWHS:CAV.W 2/2-FB
DP4 21
IH2 604-605
IH2 606-FB
FOHS:G
H2 19,21
HOUTH 1
IH2 609-FB
H2 22
WWHS:CAV.W 1/2
WWHS:CAV.W 2/2
FOHS:SAVSHS 3
IH2 609-611
DA@ 1 ** moved to here
PARKER 5-FB
PARKER 5
SIEGE 3
....



There is 1 last point. The Kree Supreme Intelligence appears in DA@ 1 but is missed off. His placement is obvious.
SUPREME INTELLIGENCE
....
ANNIC:Q 1-VO
ANNIC:Q 4 ~ ANNIC:WRAITH 4
DA@ 1 ** inserted here
F.F. 11
FF 600
....
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