Spider-Man: origin

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Spider-Man: origin

Post by cweed4 » Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:52 pm

To go along with my analysis of Peter Parker's origin I have taken a detailed look at the origin of Spidey from AF 15 to ASM 1. I made a panel-to-panel comparison by looking at AAF 15, SPECSM 1/2, ASM 94, and PPTSS 60/2 along with the other various stories and flashbacks. A lot of the recommended changes just involve page/panel designations. Also, many of the additions are single panel scenes that seem to have fallen through the cracks.

The most awkward thing in looking at all these origin stories together was the burglar's first appearance. In both SPECSM 1/2 and ASM 94-FB he is shown to run past Spidey before his TV appearance. This, of course, contradicts AAF 15. It is creatively dealt with by the MCP by placing the following TV show panels in ASM 94 as a subsequent television appearance. The same thing has to be done for SPECSM 1/2. Although, given the different temporal references within the panels, its a little trickier and requires a new entry to reflect an entirely separate appearance.

The most adjustments made here involve SPECSM 1/2. This was the first(?) re-telling of Spidey's origin and the story which added new elements like Ben's funeral and the street confrontation after the spider bite. A number of scenes attributed to ASM 94-FB actually first appeared in this comic.

The scenes at Ben's funeral have been changed a lot mostly because the current chronology does not have page/panel references. So, I had to try and redo a lot of that from scratch without knowing which panels corresponded to which entries.

Currently, there is no listing for Peter's appearance from ALIAS 22. While most of it is repeated stuff I did think it deserved some notation for its minor retcon aspect. The scenes where Jessica goes to tap Peter at the science exhibit could be seen as happening simultaneously with the beginning of the demonstation so I put them alongside the current entry ASM 94 (2:4)-FB.

The FB's from ASMU 10 come from Ben Reilly so I'm not sure if they really deserve inclusion in Peter's chronology.

It should also be noted that this anlaysis does not include the recent SM:WGP mini. An issue analysis was recently made for that by newtron. If it is accepted as canon most of that series does fit in fairly easily right after AAF 15 (9:1).

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
AAF 17-FB
{AAF 15 (1 - 2:3)}
PPTSS 60/2 (2:6)
AAF 15 (2:4 - 2:7) expanded to include panels 2:6 and 2:7 which were missing
PPTSS 60/2 (3:5 - 3:10)
AAF 15 (2:8)
PPTSS 60/2 (4:1 - 4:2)
AAF 15 (3:1)
ASM 94 (2:4)-FB~ALIAS 22
AAF 15 (3:2 - 3:3) split entry to include new scene
ASM 94 (2:6)-FB new scene: spider descending towards Peter after being zapped
AAF 15 (3:4 - 3:5) split entry to include new scene
PPTSS 60/2 (4:6 - 4:7)
AAF 15 (3:6)
SM:PL (6:2 - 6:3) the street confrontation that follows is implied to occur immediately before jumping away from car, which requires shifting this scene up here
SPECSM 1/2 (3:1-3:5)-FB new scene: Peter walking down street bumps into street thug
***** (ASM 94 (3:1 - 3:3)-FB removed) same scenes as SPECSM 1/2
***** (SM:PL (6:2 - 6:3) moved up) spotted by Liz+Flash leaving science exhibit
AAF 15 (3:7 - 4:1)
SPECSM 1/2 (4:2)-FB new scene: another panel of Peter climbing the wall
PPTSS 60/2 (6:1)
AAF 15 (4:2 - 4:5)
SM:PL (7:6)-FB new scene: Peter jumping around w/ new powers
M/CP 120/4 (5:5)-FB added page/panel breakdowns
AAF 15 (4:6)
PPTSS 60/2 (6:7 - 7:1)
AAF 15 (4:7 - 5:1)
TW 14
AAF 15 (5:2 - 6:1)
WOSM 90 (2:6)-FB new scene: shakes hands w/ Maxie
***** (ASM 94 (3:6)-FB removed) same scene from SPECSM 1/2
PPTSS 60/2 (8:4 - 8:5) split entry (Peter still at armory changing out of wrestling disguise, must take place before heading home)
SPECSM 1/2 (4:5-4:6)-FB new scene: Peter at home working w/ test tubes, Ben&May talking
PPTSS 60/2 (8:6 - 9:7) split entry also expanded
AAF 15 (6:2) split entry to include new scene
SM:PL (8:9-9:1)-FB new scene: shown eating cookies (even though they were really crackers) and looks at costume
AAF 15 (6:3) split entry to include new scene
***** (PPTSS 60/2 (9:2) moved up)
AAF 15 (6:4)
***** (ASM 94 (3:8)-FB removed) same scene from SPECSM 1/2
SPECSM 1/2 (5:2-5:3)-FB new scene: webs stuff in his room and pulls out costume
***** (PPTSS 60/2 (9:3-9:7) moved up)
PPTSS 60/2 (9:8)
AAF 15 (6:5 - 6:8)
***** (ASM 94 (4:2)-FB removed) same scene from SPECSM 1/2
SPECSM 1/2 (5:5)-FB
ASM 94 (4:3)-FB split entry
SPECSM 1/2 (6:1-6:2)-FB new scene: webswinging around town before tv appearance
PPTSS 60/2 (10:1 - 10:2)-BTS
AAF 15 (7:1 - 7:4)
***** (WOSM 90-FB (3:6 - 3:7) moved down)
PPTSS 60/2 (10:4 - 10:5)
WOSM 90-FB (3:7) this scene takes place after TV appearance which ends in the previous entry and removed panel 3:6 since its not a FB
AAF 15 (8:1 - 8:2)
ASM2 38 (10:3)-FB added page/panel breakdowns
AAF 15 (8:3)
PPTSS 60/2 (11:3)
AAF 15 (8:4 - 8:6)
WOSM 90-FB (4:1 - 4: 3)
SM:PL (13:8)-FB new scene: getting changed after show
AAF 15 (8:7 - 8:8)
SPECSM 1/2 (7:1-7:2)-FB new scene: tv audition and appearance
PPTSS 60/2 (12:3 - 12:4)
?ASMU 10 (11:2)-FB? added page/panel breakdowns
PPSM2 33 (18-20:7)-FB added page/panel breakdowns
SM:PL (14:3 - 14:5)-FB just added FB designation
AAF 15 (9:1)
ASM 94 (4:6)-FB
SPECSM 1/2 (7:3)-FB (changed from PPTSS 60/2 (13:1)) same scenes but SPECSM 1/2
AAF 15 (9:2)
PPTSS 60/2 (13:2)
AAF 15 (9:3 - 9:4) split entry to include new scene
SM:PL (17:5)-FB-BTS new scene: May at Anna's house
AAF 15 (9:5) split entry to include new scene
SENSM 23 (8:4)-FB added page/panel breakdowns
PPTSS 60/2 (13:6)
AAF 15 (9:6) split entry to include new scene
PPTSS 60/2 (13:8) new scene: shown putting on mask
AAF 15 (9:7) split entry to include new scene
SM:PL (18:1-19:1)-FB expanded to include BTS in 18:2-18:5 (MJ's reaction) and 19:1 is a new scene of him webswinging away from house
AAF 15 (10:1 - 10:2)
ASM 94 (5:4)-FB new scene: webswinging w/ new dialogue
PPTSS 60/2 (14:2 - 14:4)
SPECSM 1/2 (8:4)-FB new scene: approaching warehouse
***** (ASM 94 (5:5)-FB moved down)
AAF 15-BTS (10:3)
PPTSS 60/2-BTS (14:6)
ASM 94 (5:5)-FB spots burglar through window (cop in previous entry nearly catches spidey webswinging so that has to occur before he gets ready to enter warehouse)
SPECSM 1/2 (8:5)-FB new scene: rips off wood panels
AAF 15 (10:4) split entry to include new scene
ASM 94 (5:6)-FB new scene: breaks through warehouse window
SPECSM 1/2 (9:1)-FB new scene: new dialogue from burglar
AAF 15 (10:5 - 10:6) split entry to include new scene
ASM 94 (5:7)-FB
AAF 15 (10:7 - 11:1)
***** (PPTSS 60/2 (15:5) & PPTSS 60/2 (15:6) (dialogue only) removed) these are the same scenes as AAF 15 11:1-11:3
AAF 15 (11:2 - 11:3)
ASM 94 (6:1)-FB (changed from PPTSS 60/2 (15:7)) same scenes but ASM 94 came out first
AAF 15 (11:4 - 11:6)
PPTSS 189/2 (4)-FB
WOSM 90 (5:2-5:5)-FB new scene: spotted by Maxie crawling out of warehouse and swinging away
PPTSS 60/2 (16:4 - 16:6) corrected page number error (its 16 not 17)
***** (PPTSS 60/2 (16:6) (action only) removed) unnecessary designation combined w/ previous entry (its likely to assume that this dialogue was repeated over and over)
AAF 15 (11:7)
PPTSS 60/2 (16:8) corrected page number error and removed panel 16:7 (same as AAF 15 (11:7))
AAF 15 (11:8)
ASM 400/3
WTS 12 (28)-FB added page/panel breakdowns
AAF 16 (3-6) added page/panel breakdowns
?ASMU 10 (19:6)-FB?
AAF 16 (7:1-7:2)
ASM 94 (6:4 - 6:5)-FB
SPECSM 1/2 (1-2:2) added page/panel breakdowns
***** (ASM 94 (6:4 - 6:5)-FB moved up)
***** (PPTSS 60/2 removed)
***** (ASMU 10-FB moved up)
***** (PPTSS 60/2 removed)
AAF 16 (7:4-7:5) added page/panel breakdowns
PPTSS 60/2 (17:2-17:4) added page/panel breakdowns
SPECSM 1/2 (10:3) resolves to fight for innocents
PPTSS 60/2 (17:6) brooding at dock
SPECSM 1/2 (10:4) swinging away
AAF 16
AAF 17
AAF 18
WOSM 81-FB???
TW 2 (19:2-4)-FB added page/panel breakdowns
ASM 1

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Re: Spider-Man: origin

Post by JLH » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:49 am

cweed4 wrote:The FB's from ASMU 10 come from Ben Reilly so I'm not sure if they really deserve inclusion in Peter's chronology.
I think it should. Ben has all of Peter's memories up into his college years (thanks to transplanting of RNA cells or some such science), so unless it's highly contradictive, I'd say it's as valid as a memory from the man himself.

Good job, nevertheless.

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