Ka-Zar's son's name - where was it revealed?

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Ka-Zar's son's name - where was it revealed?

Post by JephYork » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:24 am

Apparently the kid's name is Matthew Kyle Adam Plunder. Where was his name first given? And was it given all at once (like Nathan Christopher Charles Summers), or a piece at a time (like Robert Bruce Banner)? ;)

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Re: Ka-Zar's son's name - where was it revealed?

Post by Somebody » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:56 am

Wasn't babyCable originally "Christopher Charles Summers", and "Nathan" suddenly appeared somewhere around Inferno? Cyclops certainly always called him Christopher...

And I recall that the Savage Land arc in Captain America v3 (somewhere around #30) called him "Matthew", so it was before that, at least. I don't think the Handbook created that one :)

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Post by JephYork » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:57 am

AFAIK, baby Nathan's name wasn't said ANYWHERE from his birth in UX #201, up until UX #239, where Mr. Sinister spouted off the entire name. But yes, from that point on, Cyclops really liked calling him "Christopher"...

Thanks for helping narrow down the timeframe of the Matthew name for Ka-Zar's kid, though ... anyone else know any more?

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Post by metaldragon » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:54 pm

Cyclops always called him Christopher because Nathan was the name of the bully at the orphanage who tormented Scott (who we find out was actually Mr. Sinister with added memory alteration). Either Cyclops simply refused to call his son Nathan because of that bad association or Madelyn officially added "Nathan" to baby Cable's name when Cyclops joined X-Factor, in the short period before she was attacked by the Marauders. Cyclops only finally gave in and started calling his son "Nathan" after Clairmont took over the writing reigns of his character again. Funny how that happened...
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Re: Ka-Zar's son's name - where was it revealed?

Post by wolframbane » Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:14 pm

It may be possible the first actual reference to his full name was in the Handbook. Just like with Logan and Gahck's child Erista.

Why couldn't they have name the child IMMEDIATELY after birth, like they did with Franklin Benjamin Richards!!! ;)

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Post by JephYork » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:50 pm

Digressing back to Ka-Zar's son...

I strongly suspect that his full name was given as all three, at one time or another -- "Matthew, Kyle, Adam" -- and the Handbook stuck 'em all together. That said, does anyone know ANY instances of the baby being namechecked on-panel?

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Post by Col_Fury » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:27 am

West Coast Avengers Annual 3/2 shows Ka-Zar calling him Adam Plunder, so it looks like it was a piece at a time.

No names in FF 316, Uncanny Annual 12, MCP 13/4, Uncanny 250, or Unlimited 1, but something I noticed:

The kid is listed as BTS in XU 1-FB. But he's right there on panel, numbered page 19. So I'll suggest we remove the BTS for him:

PLUNDER, ADAM KYLE MATTHEW
FF 316-BTS
{UX@ 12}
WCA@ 3/2
M/CP 13/4-BTS
UX 250
**XU 1-FB (remove BTS)
KZ '97
KZ4 1
...

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Post by Col_Fury » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:14 am

And in Ka-Zar volume 4 #1(by Waid & Kubert) he's called Matthew. It would make sense that he'd still be called Matthew in Captain America #30 or so, Waid was still writing Cap at that time.

I don't have Ka-Zar Annual '97, but that's really the only option left, it's written by yet someone else.(Brian K. Vaugn) Unless, of course, Priest changed it to Kyle in Ka-Zar v4 16-20, but I doubt it because he's still called Matt in #14/2 & #15.(I don't have 16-20) So we have:

Adam: West Coast Avengers Annual 3/2

Matthew: Ka-Zar volume 4 #1

Kyle: probably Ka-Zar Annual '97, maybe Ka-Zar v4 16-20

Anyone have KZ '97 or KZ4 15-20 to check?
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Post by Somebody » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:15 am

Col_Fury wrote:And in Ka-Zar volume 4 #1(by Waid & Kubert) he's called Matthew. It would make sense that he'd still be called Matthew in Captain America #30 or so, Waid was still writing Cap at that time.
No, Dan Jurgens had taken over by that point (#28-31, per the GCD)

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Re: Ka-Zar's son's name - where was it revealed?

Post by Selaboc » Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:07 am

As previously mentioned, his first appearance in West Coast Avengers Annual 3/2 , he is called Adam
And as of the Waid/Kubert run on Ka-zar in the mid-90s he was called Mathew.
I think (going purely on memory here, as I don't have the book handy) it was in the Ka-zar graphic novel that the name Kyle was used.

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Re: Ka-Zar's son's name - where was it revealed?

Post by Arthur » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:59 am

Good memory Selaboc. He is referred to as Kyle in the Kazar Graphic Novel.


and in both K '97 and K4 15-20 he is Matthew

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Post by Col_Fury » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:33 pm

Somebody wrote:Dan Jurgens
That's what I get for going off my memory.

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Re: Ka-Zar's son's name - where was it revealed?

Post by JephYork » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:58 am

Thanks -- you guys are great!

Now, about Jubilee's last name...

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Re: Ka-Zar's son's name - where was it revealed?

Post by DonCampbell » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:11 pm

Arthur wrote:Good memory Selaboc. He is referred to as Kyle in the Kazar Graphic Novel.
Isn't the Ka-Zar Graphic Novel now considered to be non-canon? If so, then not everything depicted within its pages is necessarily accurate in the "mainstream" MU, and the "Kyle" name could be totally ignored without violating continuity. Maybe it was only in the alternate timeline in which the events of the GN took place that Kevin and Shanna named their son Kyle, while on Earth-616 they named their son Matthew Adam Plunder.

Or maybe the Earth-616 Plunders originally named their son Adam but for some reason they later changed it to Matthew? I mean, it is possible for parents to change their childrens' names, right? Or is that too simple an explanation?

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Re: Ka-Zar's son's name - where was it revealed?

Post by JephYork » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:13 pm

I think I need some more info on this Ka-Zar GN ... are you talking about "Guns of the Savage Land"?

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