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Who's Who in "Utopia"? Help needed ASAP

Post by JephYork » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:20 pm

Okay, kids, it's time to play Name That Mutant...

The "Utopia" one-shot - p.9, the big panel where everyone watches TV. Who's who? I have:

Balcony: Cuckoos, Ink??

Down the stairs: Trance??, Loa, Kavita Rao, Mercury, Elixir??, Surge

Back left: Onyxx, Madison Jeffries, Yuriko Takiguchi, Psylocke??/X-23??, Blindfold

Middle, left to right: miscolored Psylocke??/Magma?? (It's not Pixie; there's no wings and Pixie's currently in the riots -- but who else has pink hair? Maybe Psylocke [supposed to be purple?], maybe Magma [standing near other New Mutants].), Colossus, Magik, Warpath, Angel, Cyclops, Emma, Dr. Nemesis, Nightcrawler, Domino

Sitting down, left to right: Gentle, Dani??/Psylocke??/X-23??, Cannonball, Armor, Match, Sunspot??

What do you think?

Next -- page 13, panel 2 -- who's protesting? I'm inclined to think that some of these are "just people" -- but others clearly aren't. Left to right, holding (or near) the banner we have:

Bling, someone, Karma, someone, Hepzibah??, and a blue lady. Who is this blue lady?!

Page 13 panel 3 - is that Nekra? And is the girl saying "move" supposed to be someone specific?

Page 20 panel 1 - is that Cargill with Nekra? Who might the girl on the left be? She shows up again in p.21 panel 4 and I'm inclined to think she's *somebody*. X-23 perhaps? Dani maybe? (She may be one of the "just people" holding the banner back on p.13, if so.)

Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks!

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Post by Jason Doty » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:53 pm

Balcony: Cuckoos I would say Graymalkin (Isn't Ink in a coma?)

Down the stairs: Trance, Loa, Kavita Rao, Mercury, Elixir, Surge

Back left: Onyxx, Madison Jeffries, Yuriko Takiguchi, Psylocke, Blindfold

Middle, left to right: Magik (hair miscolored), Magma, Colossus, Warpath, Angel, Cyclops, Emma, Dr. Nemesis, Nightcrawler, Domino.

Sitting down, left to right: Gentle, Mirage, Cannonball, Match, Armor, Sunspot

Thats definatly Cargil and Nekra, but I don't think its Hepzibah (no tail)

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Post by JephYork » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:03 am

Ink is not in a coma -- in fact, he appears elsewhere in this issue, out battling rioters.

I had assumed that Magik was the girl Colossus was holding the shoulders of. But maybe miscolored Magma for that pink-haired chick, huh?

(I had also thought Lorelei, who has pink hair and is elsewhere in this issue, but I don't think she ever sought sanctuary at Greymalkin...)

Hepzibah's tail (or lack thereof) is hidden behind the banner ... I don't think we can say definitely that whoever-that-is doesn't have one. But why would she be wearing high heels (not her style) and protesting (she's not a mutant)? Hmm, maybe it's not her.

Who's that blue mutant at the end? Do we know of any female blue mutants? What about Rhapsody, from X-Factor #79? Whatever happened to her?

EDIT: Huh. According to "the 198 Files", Rhapsody still has her powers. I think I'm on to something here...

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Post by Paul Bourcier » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:30 am

Jason wrote:
Thats definatly Cargil and Nekra
So it looks like Nekra was released from prison after DARK REIGN: LETHAL LEGION #3.
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Post by JephYork » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:22 am

Could be!

And hey, according to the script for Uncanny #513, the girl with Karma and Bling on pp.20-21 is Skein.

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Post by Paul Bourcier » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:59 am

Jeph wrote:
And hey, according to the script for Uncanny #513, the girl with Karma and Bling on pp.20-21 is Skein.
Hmm. Skein taking a break from Delaware's Women Warriors, eh? Do you suppose this follows her appearance in A:INIT 29? If so, then that helps to determine the overall placement of A:INIT 28-30.
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Post by JephYork » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:02 am

Hmm. I haven't read any issues of the current "New Mutants v3" series -- can anyone tell me if Dani is back to being called Mirage? That's how she's listed in UXM #514 but I want to be sure that it's not an error.

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Post by Paul Bourcier » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:42 pm

Jeph wrote:
can anyone tell me if Dani is back to being called Mirage?
Considering that she's without powers, calling her Mirage would be rather cruel. She's not called by a codename in NEW MUTANTS.
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Post by JephYork » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:31 pm

Cool, that's what I thought. What about when she gains Valkyrie powers? Is she called anything then? What about her new black horse, is it named in the comics?

(The script to "Exodus" answers both of these questions; I just want to see what made it to print before I put anything official in the Index...)

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Post by Somebody » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:42 pm

Apparently, Dani's power-up was strictly temporary, and she's back to depowered now.
jephyork wrote:Who's that blue mutant at the end? Do we know of any female blue mutants? What about Rhapsody, from X-Factor #79? Whatever happened to her?

EDIT: Huh. According to "the 198 Files", Rhapsody still has her powers. I think I'm on to something here..
On the one hand, I managed to find an image of the panel in question, and it DOES kinda-sorta look like Rhapsody (meaning "she's female and is coloured in line with Rhapsody", but she doesn't appear to have much of a nose, in the same way post-M-Day Gazer didn't). And on the other, I have a deep aversion to letting one-panel "who is this?" cameos like this one determine a character's status quo (even allowing for the notoriously porous MU jails, shouldn't she still be in prison?)

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Post by JephYork » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:11 pm

I understand that the powers weren't permanent -- but when Dani WAS powered-up, did she get a codename? Did the horse get a name?

Matt Fraction peppered this crossover with a LOT of long-time-no-see random cameos -- we've got Adam-X, Litterbug, Lorelei Travis, Meld and Skein, for Pete's sake. I don't think Rhapsody is such a stretch -- and frankly I have the feeling that there's more characters on this page that are supposed to be "somebody", but aren't drawn distinctively enough for us to catch.

If you know of any other blue ladies, I'll happily consider them -- but the short hair and skin tone clinches it for me. She's got an itty-bitty nose because she's drawn by Marc Silvestri. ;)

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Post by GodRob » Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:28 am

New Mutants v3 #5 confirms that Dani's horse is still Brightwind. Dani tells Cyclops that Brightwind got plenty of exercise beating up the God of War recently. Not sure about the color of the horse though. He's changed color in the past, hasn't he?

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Post by JephYork » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:55 am

Thanks!

Yeah, he became Darkwind. Then I thought he died. Hmm.

Was the horse shown on-panel in NM #5? What color was it there?

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Post by GodRob » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:34 am

Yes, he's shown in two panels. I can't figure out what color he is though. Gray? Much darker than Dani's white shirt but much lighter than her black hair. I'm not trying to be funny, I honestly can't tell what color he is supposed to be in these panels. Almost looks like the colorist wasn't sure about the color either.

As for his death, what normally happens when a valkyrie's mount dies? Maybe he went to Valhalla and then simply left again. I don't remember him dying though my memory is very bad.

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Post by JephYork » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:13 pm

I think Reignfire blew him up in X-Force #43. Still, like you said, that doesn't necessarily mean much to a Valkyrie's mount.

So she's acting as if he's the original, huh? Okay, cool. Thanks.

I still need to know if Dani used a codename when she had Valkyrie-powers just now, though.

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