Chronology corrections -- FF 333 etc.

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Chronology corrections -- FF 333 etc.

Post by Paul Bourcier »

I noticed a big discrepancy in the placement of FF 333 in various characters’ chronologies. The Official Marvel Index to the Avengers v2 #6 noted FF 327 as Reed and Sue’s next appearance after A 308 (and placed the Avengers in FF 333 after A 310), but this was later shown to be incorrect. The Thing changes back into Ben Grimm in FF 326, which continues directly into FF 327, and the story arc ends with FF 333. Ben Grimm (not the Thing) appears in A 305, so FF 333 must occur before A 305 (and FF 326 and 327 cannot be split, as they are in Thing’s chronology).

This change was made in the chronologies for Invisible Woman, Mr. Fantastic, and Thing, where we see:
...
FF 333
A 305
...
However, corresponding changes were not made to the Avengers’ chronologies, in which FF 333 still appears after A 310.

Another discrepancy exists between Dr. Pym’s and Wonder Man’s chronologies. Dr. Pym is listed as appearing in WOSM 46 before A 302, while Wonder Man is listed in WOSM 46 after A 303. I believe Pym’s chronology is the correct one.

Also, Hawkeye refers to U.S.Agent being in the West Coast Avengers in ASPOT 21, a story which continues directly from SOLOA 19-20. Thus, SOLOA 19 must occur after WCA2 45. Yet, various character chronologies place ASPOT 21 before WCA2 42. This needs to be corrected.

As noted in another post, the comic, Captain America Goes to War Against Drugs (1990) is not in the MCP, and I suggest a placement (CAGWD?) for Cap here just before A 305.

Additionally, there is a flashback in AWC 56 that features Dr. Pym and the Scarlet Witch and is not noted in the MCP. It occurs “a few days” after WCA2 43.

So here are my suggestions for the revised chronologies:

CAPTAIN AMERICA
...
M/CP 21/3-BTS
**FF 333** (move here)
A 304
CA 355
CA 256
CA 357
**CAGWD** (add)
A 305
...

DR. PYM
...
A@ 18/2
**FF 333** (move here)
WCA2 42
WCA2 43
WCA2 44
WCA2 45
**ASPOT 21** (move here)
**AWC 56-FB** (add)
ASPOT 23/2
...

HAWKEYE
...
A@ 18/2
WCA2 42
WCA2 43
WCA2 44
WCA2 45
**SOLOA 19** (move here)
**SOLOA 20** (move here)
**ASPOT 21** (move here)
WCA2 46
...

SCARLET WITCH
...
M/FAN 48/3-BTS
**FF 333** (move here)
WCA2 42
WCA2 43
WCA2 44
WCA2 45
**AWC 56-FB** (add)
WCA2 46
...

THING
...
M/CP 21/3-BTS
**FF 326** (move here)
FF 327
...

THOR
...
A@ 18/2
M/CP 21/3-BTS
**FF 333** (move here)
...

TIGRA
...
A@ 18/2
**FF 333** (move here)
IM 243
...

WASP
...
S-H2 2
**FF 333** (move here)
WCA2 42
...

WONDER MAN
...
WCA2 40
**WOSM 46** (move here)
A 302
A 303
A@ 18/2
**FF 333** (move here)
WCA2 42
WCA2 43
WCA2 44
WCA2 45
**ASPOT 21** (move here)
ASPOT 23/2
...
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Re: Chronology corrections -- FF 333 etc.

Post by captamr »

To follow up on Paul’s corrections, FF 326 is listed twice for the members. This maybe the “earlier corrections” he mentions in his post. The earlier listing should be removed as it is here that Reed and Sue decide to go back to the Fantastic Four placing these events after A 303 where they are still Avengers.

During this time the Fantastic and Frightful Four are captured with most issues leading to the imaginary dream sequences and some entries which should be BTS rather than actual appearances:

MR. FANTASTIC

PP 48
** 326 (remove)
A 302
A 303
A@ 18/2
M/CP 21/3-BTS
FF 326
FF 327


INVISIBLE WOMAN

Q 3
** 326 (remove)
A 301
A 302
A 303
A@ 18/2
M/CP 21/3-BTS
FF 326
FF 327

HUMAN TORCH

Q 3
** 326 (remove)
A 303
A@ 18/2
M/CP 21/3-BTS
FF 326
FF 327
.
.
FF 330
** FF 331 - BTS
FF 332



MS. MARVEL

M/CP 18/4
** 326 (remove)
A 303
A@ 18/2-BTS
M/CP 21/3-BTS
FF 326
FF 327


THING, KLAW, TITANIA, HYDROMAN

FF 330
** FF 331 - BTS
**FF 332 – BTS
FF 333


The WOSM 46 correction should be for Wonder Man as the Vision and Scarlet Witch listings agree with Dr. Pym also.

And finally:

KANG

A 292
**A 300
A@21/4 - FB
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Re: Chronology corrections -- FF 333 etc.

Post by Paul Bourcier »

Thanks, Charlie. I eliminated the double-entry of WOSM 46 in Wonder Man's corrected chronology by removing the old WOSM 46 placement.
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