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problem with Toro chronology

Post by HalP » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:11 pm

In Toro/Tom Raymond's chronology, there is a listing for Human Torch #1 (as there also was in the Torch's own chronology). This issue does not exist. It's given as Toro's first appearance; that's actually Human Torch #2.

Note that it wouldn't be correct to just change the listing from HT 1 to HT 2, because HT 2 includes both a flashback appearance and a present-day appearance. I can give page numbers, but I don't know where the flashback fits in with his other pre-HT 2 appearances.
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Re: problem with Toro chronology

Post by Col_Fury » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:24 pm

It's been a while since I've looked into Jim Hammond's early chronology; I know I haven't placed his Marvels Project appearances yet. But here's what I have for him in this area:

HUMAN TORCH/JIM HAMMOND
SAGAHT 1 (1)
{MARVEL COMICS 1} (1)
SAGAHT 1 (4:5-4:6)
MARVEL COMICS 1 (2-3)
SAGAHT 1 (6)
MARVEL COMICS 1 (4:1-4:6)
SAGAHT 1 (7:5-7:7)
MARVELS 1 (7-9)
MARVEL COMICS 1 (4:7-16)
SAGAHT 2 (1-4:2)
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 2
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 3
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 4
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 5
MARVELS 1 (13)
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 6
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 (1-3)
SAGAHT 2 (4:3-5:3)
INV 22 (9:1-9:6)-FB
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 (4:1-4:5)
SAGAHT 2 (6:1-6:4)
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 (4:6-5:2)
SAGAHT 2 (6:8-7:3)
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 (5:3-12:5)
INV 22 (11-13:3)-FB
INV 22 (13:6)-FB
INV 22 (14:4)-FB
SAGASM 3
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 (12:6-12:7)
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8/2 (1-11)
SAGASM 4 (6-9:2)
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8/2 (12)
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 9 (1-7:3)
SAGASM 4 (15:1-15:3)
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 9 (7:4-7:7)
SAGASM 4 (16:5-16:7)
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 9 (8-20)
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 10
SAGASM 4 (22:6-22:8)
INV 22 (14:5-17:1)-FB
HUMAN TORCH 2
HUMAN TORCH 3
HUMAN TORCH 3/2
HUMAN TORCH 3/3
HUMAN TORCH 4
HUMAN TORCH 4/2
HUMAN TORCH 5A
HUMAN TORCH 5A/2
CA 423
...

Which largely matches what the MCP currently has, with a few differences in the Saga placements.

JIm Hammond doesn't apear in the flashback in Human Torch #2, only Toro and his parents do. Again, it's been a while since I've looked into this; I know I haven't placed any flashbacks from the recent Torch 8-issue miniseries, but here's what I have for Toro in this area:

TORO/TOM RAYMOND
INV 22 (10:4-10:5)-FB-FB-FB
INV 22 (13:4-13:5)-FB-FB
INV 22 (11-13:3)-FB
HUMAN TORCH 2-FB
{HUMAN TORCH 2}
HUMAN TORCH 3
HUMAN TORCH 3/2
HUMAN TORCH 3/3
HUMAN TORCH 4
HUMAN TORCH 4/2
HUMAN TORCH 5A
HUMAN TORCH 5A/2
...
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