King Richard the Lion-Hearted

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King Richard the Lion-Hearted

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:27 am

England's King Richard I appears in several MU stories but does not have an MCP entry.

Several appearances are set during the crusades:
BLACK KNIGHT COMICS #2-5
M/CP 73/3-FB
And I would guess his appearance in Timely's IDEAL, A CLASSICAL COMIC #4 is set during this time. However, I don't know the chronological order of these stories.

Richard returns from the Crusades in DEF 11, then he marries Fandral and Marian in TS 18/2-FB, so these are his last two appearances AFAIK.

Can anyone offer more information to help create a listing for Richard?
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Re: King Richard the Lion-Hearted

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:04 am

I suppose we should also add Prince John...

DEF 11
TS 18/2-BTS
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Re: King Richard the Lion-Hearted

Post by loki » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:07 am

This might help
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/garringtoneobar.htm
Add Marvel Fanfare #53-54, and see the notes.

The first Crusader story in Black Knight #1 was set around the time Richard's men first arrived in Palestine, so that might suggest they precede the bulk of the Fanfare story.

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Re: King Richard the Lion-Hearted

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:46 am

Thanks, Loki.

More research indicates that those BLACK KNIGHT COMICS published by Atlas in the '50s were about Sir Percy and were set in the 6th century, so Richard cannot appear there.

So, for Richard we have:
M/FAN 52
M/FAN 53
M/FAN 54
M/CP 73/3-FB
DEF 11
TS 18/2-FB

And IDEAL 4 still needs to be placed.

Prince John's chronology is:
DEF 11
TS 18/2-FB-BTS

Anything else?
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Re: King Richard the Lion-Hearted

Post by loki » Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:52 pm

Paul Bourcier wrote:Thanks, Loki.

More research indicates that those BLACK KNIGHT COMICS published by Atlas in the '50s were about Sir Percy and were set in the 6th century, so Richard cannot appear there.
The Black Knight Comics' first and last stories were about Sir Percy. However, the middle story was about el Alemain, the Crusader, and did feature King Richard in at least some of the issues (not #1, except perhaps bts).

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/crusaderatlas.htm

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Re: King Richard the Lion-Hearted

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:29 pm

Cool. So those Black Knight Comics issues (#2-#5) will have to go either before or after M/CP 73/3-FB, yes?
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Re: King Richard the Lion-Hearted

Post by loki » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:49 pm

Paul Bourcier wrote:Cool. So those Black Knight Comics issues (#2-#5) will have to go either before or after M/CP 73/3-FB, yes?
Yes. I'd suggest before, since the Crusader story in #1 was set just as Richard's forces were reaching Palestine, and the MCP story is some time into the campaign.

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Re: King Richard the Lion-Hearted

Post by Paul Bourcier » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:35 am

OK. So now the chronology is:

M/FAN 52
M/FAN 53
M/FAN 54
BK 2
BK 3
BK 4
BK 5
M/CP 73/3-FB
DEF 11
TS 18/2-FB

Any idea about IDEAL 4?
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Re: King Richard the Lion-Hearted

Post by loki » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:48 pm

Paul Bourcier wrote: Any idea about IDEAL 4?
Sorry, no - the very brief blurb on Comics.org sounds like it might be a bio-comic covering the whole Crusades or even his entire history, but I wouldn't want to bank on that without having read the actual issue.

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