Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

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Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by JephYork » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:27 pm

Does anyone know where to find a complete list of every Golden Age ('40s) and Atlas Era ('50s) comic that Namor has appeared in? The MCP doesn't fully cover this period.

From the listings, I understand that Namor appears in the following:

Golden Age:
All-Winners Comics #1-4, 19, 21
Human Torch Comics #2-4, 5A, 5B, 6-8, 27
Marvel Comics / Marvel Mystery Comics #1-10, 17, 82
Motion Picture Funnies Weekly #1 (unreleased)
Namora #1-3
Sub-Mariner Comics #1-32 (the MCP only lists some issues, but I assume he appears in all of them)

Atlas Era:
Human Torch Comics #36, 38
Men’s Adventures #27-28
Sub-Mariner Comics #33-42
Young Men #24-28

Did I miss any?

Also, the MCP stops covering Namor's appearances around 2004 or so. Can anyone help me generate a complete list of all his appearances *since* that time, right up to the present day? He was a big player in Dark Reign, and now that he's joined the X-Men, I imagine he's made a passel of ancillary appearances.

Wikipedia claims that (outside of the X-books) he's appeared in:

Black Panther v5 #1
Captain America v5 #47-48
Dark Avengers #6, 8
Dark Reign: Fantastic Four #2
Hulk #10
Incredible Hercules #122-123
Mighty Avengers #24


But I'm sure there are more. Can anyone verify these appearances, or list others?

Thanks in advance to any Golden Age and present-day historians who can help me out!

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by Midnighter » Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:08 pm

Uhmmm... Well, in this moment I have in my hands Captain America: Reborn 3 and Namor appears, both in flashback and in present day sequences.

Later I'll check where he appears since Secret Invasion (before I can't, sorry).

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by Midnighter » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:39 pm

So, I have present day's Namor in
Avengers/Invaders 3-4 (meanwhile the Namor from the'40s is appearing in all the 12 issues).
Hulk 5-6
Secret Invasion 8
Captain America 46-48
Incredible Hercules 121-124
Hulk 10-12 (I think is a Namor from an alternate reality, surely from the past)
Secret Invasion: Dark Reign
Uncanny X-Men Annual (v2) 2
Dark Reign: The Cabal
Invincible Iron Man 11-12
The Torch 3-5
Agents Of Atlas (v2) 6-7
Black Panther (v5) 1
Fantastic Four 369
Mighty Avengers 24
Black Panther (v5) 9-12 (10 BTS)
Zodiac 3 (FB, same scene of Secret Invasion: Dark Reign)
Dark Reign: The Hood 2
Dark Avengers 6-8
Uncanny X-Men 513-514
Dark X-Men: The Beginning 1, 3
Dark Avengers/Uncanny X-Men: Exodus
Captain America: Reborn 3

(continue...)

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by Michael » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:07 pm

Jeph, do you also want flashback stories that were published after 2004? For example, Iron Man Legacy 6,
Spoiler:
and 10-11
feature Namor and the story is set around IM 188 (from 1984), although there's some debate about whether or not the story is in continuity.
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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by JephYork » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:00 pm

Yes, I'd like to hear about flashback stories too -- like the Avengers/Invaders mini that Midnighter mentioned, which features 1940s-Namor -- I need that info as well. I believe '40s-Namor also appeared in some issues of The Marvels Project, right?

Thanks, Midnighter! Keep it up!

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by Paul Bourcier » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:59 pm

Here's what I have, Jeph, in no particular order:

INV3 1-4, 6-9
HERC3 1, 5
AF3 12
TB2 2-3, 8-9
NA:I 2, 5
A4 7-10
BP4 7, 17-18, 21
HOM 6
DEF3 1-5
M/HOL '05
FOUR 28, 30
TG2 6, 8
IM4 12
M/CP2 7/3
W3 44-45
ASM 533
CW:FL 4/3
CW 6-7
FF 543, 569, 584-586
WINTER SOLDIER: WINTER KILLS 1
FOTH 1
FS:DOCA 2, 5
H3 107
WWH 1
A:I 4
ADAM: LEGEND OF THE BLUE MARVEL 4
SUB-M2 1-6
ORDER 6-7
HULK 5-6, 27-28
A/INV 1-12
SI:DR 1
SI 8
UX@2 2
TORCH 3-5
IM5 11-12
DR:HOOD 2
HERC4 121-123
CA5 46-48
DR:CABAL 1/4
BP5 1, 8-9, 11-12
AOA2 6-7
DA 6-8
MA 24
H2 607-608, 610
FOTH:SSH 2-3
CA:REBORN 3
UX 513-515. 517, 519-520, 522, 524-525, 527-528, 531
DX:BEGINNING 1, 3
DA/UX:E 1
DX:CONFESSION 1
XVAOA 1-2
C&D4 1
DR:TLX 1
NATION X 1/3, 4/2, 4/4
NATION X: X-FACTOR 1
DOOMWAR 3
XFOR3 22, 26-28
HERC:FOAA 1-2
X-MEN: TO SERVE & PROTECT 1
X-MEN: SECOND COMING 1-2
NM3 13-14, 20
X 236
DOOMWAR 6
KLAWS OF THE PANTHER 4
INVADERS NOW! 1-5
IAAA 4
A4 8
X3 2-3
NAMOR: THE FIRST MUTANT 1-5
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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by Midnighter » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:59 am

I continue the list of appearances that I'm checking:
Dark Reign: The List - X-Men
Uncanny X-Men 515, 517, 519
Nation X 1
Fantastic Four 578 BTS
Fall Of The Hulks: Alpha
Incredible Hulk 607
X-Force 22
Marvels: Eye Of The Camera 2, 4-5
The Marvels Project 1, 3, 6-8

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by Leoparis » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:46 pm

Namor First Mutant 5 has flashbacks:
1940 Times Square: Namor wrecks Times Square under the eyes of Betty Dean
1944 Betty sees Namor after three months
1947 Betty Dean sees Namor after five months
4 years ago Namor saves people, meets Alani

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by HalP » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:34 pm

I don't have a complete list yet, but this is a complete list of his appearances through the May 1944 cover date:

All Select Comics #1-3
All-Winners Comics #1-12
Captain America Comics #20
Human Torch #2-4,5a,5b,6-15
Kid Komics #4
Marvel Comics #1
Marvel Mystery Comics #2-55
Sub-Mariner #1
Sub-Mariner Comics #2-13

This does not include Motion Picture Funnies, because it was never officially published; that same story (with added pages) appears in Marvel Comics #1.
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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by JephYork » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:52 am

Thanks for your replies, everyone. Keep 'em coming!

Question: in SIEGE: THE CABAL, Dr. Doom appears before Norman Osborn and demands that he "produce Namor." Osborn refuses and a fight ensues. Was Osborn holding Namor captive at this time? I don't recall Osborn ever capturing him. Is this a BTS for Namor? Why is Doom making this demand?

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by Midnighter » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:26 pm

JephYork wrote:Thanks for your replies, everyone. Keep 'em coming!

Question: in SIEGE: THE CABAL, Dr. Doom appears before Norman Osborn and demands that he "produce Namor." Osborn refuses and a fight ensues. Was Osborn holding Namor captive at this time? I don't recall Osborn ever capturing him. Is this a BTS for Namor? Why is Doom making this demand?

-Jeph!
Osborn sent Marrina against Namor in Dark Reign: The List - X-Men, so I think that Doom was asking to stop to attack Namor. I don't think that we have to considerate Namor BTS.

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by JephYork » Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:32 am

Yes, at the start of "Siege: the Cabal", Doom demands that Osborn "cease his campaign against Namor", which we saw in Dark reign: the List: X-Men. But Doom *also* demands, several times, that Osborn "produce Namor". Meaning, "bring Namor to me right now." Which seems to imply that Osborn is holding Namor captive -- or at least that Doom believes that Osborn is holding Namor captive.

Since Osborn didn't capture Namor in that List one-shot ... did he capture him anywhere else? Did Osborn and Namor have *any* post-Utopia encounters besides DR:List:X-Men?

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by Midnighter » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:14 am

JephYork wrote:Yes, at the start of "Siege: the Cabal", Doom demands that Osborn "cease his campaign against Namor", which we saw in Dark reign: the List: X-Men. But Doom *also* demands, several times, that Osborn "produce Namor". Meaning, "bring Namor to me right now." Which seems to imply that Osborn is holding Namor captive -- or at least that Doom believes that Osborn is holding Namor captive.

Since Osborn didn't capture Namor in that List one-shot ... did he capture him anywhere else? Did Osborn and Namor have *any* post-Utopia encounters besides DR:List:X-Men?

-Jeph!
But Osborn say that he could destroy Utopia if he want, but he doesn't only for respect to Doom. So Namor is meant to be on Utopia.
After DR The List: X-Men I can't recall any other encounter between Namor and Osborn.
By the way, I think that Siege: The Cabal happens before Doomwar, becouse the loyalty of Doom to Namor.

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by Midnighter » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:50 pm

I just checked some other two appearences:
Incredible Hulk 608
Nation X: X-Factor

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Re: Complete list of Namor's 1940s/50s and 2000s appearances?

Post by JephYork » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:28 pm

Another website tells me he's in:

Adam: Legend of the Blue Marvel #5
All-Winners Comics 70th Anniversary Special
Amazing Spider-Man #530
Atlas #4
Captain America v4 #12
Captain America v5 #4, 7, 31
Captain America v1 #600
Captain America: Forever Allies #1
Captain America: Patriot #1-3
Dark Avengers #1
Dark Reign: Fantastic Four #2
Dark Reign: Made Men #1
Domination Factor: Fantastic Four #2.3, 3.5
Fantastic Four #536
Fantastic Four: 1234 #2-4
Last Defenders #5
Marvel Mystery Comics 70th Anniversary Special
Mighty Avengers #12
New Avengers AAFES giveaway #8
Onslaught Reborn #3-5
Secret Invasion: Amazing Spider-Man #3
Sub-Mariner: the Depths #1-5
Supernaturals #1
Thanos #1, 4
Valkyrie (one-shot)

Can anyone confirm or deny?

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