Spider-Man in FF 372-378

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Re: Spider-Man in FF 372-378

Post by michel » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:55 am

Michael wrote:ETA: michel, while you're looking at inconsistencies relating to these issues, you might want to note that the Infinity Crusade is placed between X 19 and 20- that's problematic since Rogue is blind between those issues.
That's not too problematic, Rogue is diagnosed cured in X 20. Either she made a try without glasses in IC before X 20, either we put IC in between (14:3) and (14:4) of X 20, before Scott leaves for Alaska (but Rogue still wears glasses in X 21), either we put IC in between X 24 and 25, when Scott has come back. I'm for the second option.

Michael wrote:And just to further confuse the issue, we've got UX 299 taking place after the Crusade for Cyclops and XF 90 taking place before the Crusade for Wolfsbane. That doesn't work- Scott has a conversation with Xavier in UX 299 and he tells him that Moira is leaving Genosha- Moira leaves Genosha in XF 90- those issues have to take place simultaneously.
This one is trickier. If we keep UX 299 after IC, when should IC happen for X-Factor ? For Crystal, XF 88/2-89/2 is before IC, and it's mentioned by Quicksilver and Val Cooper in XF 90 (13). Quicksilver comes to Genosha in XF 91. But in IC 1, the Goddess picks Quicksilver alone, and X-Factor not at the same time. So what if we put IC in between XF 90 (14) and (15) ? Moira says she leaves for Paris in XF 90 (19), that would be just after IC 6, just as UX 299 is just after IC 6 for Cyclops.

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Re: Spider-Man in FF 372-378

Post by michel » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:56 am

After checking the books, first try for a chronology involving the FF, Dr. Strange and the New Warriors :

IW 6 - FF 370 (1-20:3) cut before Alicia's kidnapping
(couldn't find Dr. Strange in MK3 45)
Return of the Defenders powered Dr. Strange, amnesiac Namor
NW 28
Citizen Kang Thing unscarred
DHOLD 5-7 powered Dr. Strange
T 455/2 + T 456 p1 powered Dr. Strange
Q 41-46 Quagmire abducted
NW 29-30
A 350-357
UX 291-293
T 456 p2 - T 459 + TS 1 Thunderstrike
X-Cutioner's Song Angel
H2 395-401 Dr. Strange in H2 399, power unclear
WIW 14 Dr. Strange cameo, Rintrah OK
CAGE 12, S-H2 52 Thing unscarred
FFU 1-3 Thing unscarred, IW new costume art error
UX 297, GR3 37, PPTSS 197-199 Angel
X 17-19
NW 31
XFOR 19
XFOR 20-22 Rhodey as Iron Man
NW 32-34 + @3 powered Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, Angel, Black Knight, Crystal, Sersi, Human Torch, Thing unscarred
IM 288 p2 - IM 289
AWC 93-95 + IM 290-291 Rhodey becomes War Machine
DRSTR3 48-50 Dr. Strange depowered
DRSTR3 51-53 + SECDEF 1-3 + MORBIUS 8-9 Rintrah killed
A 358-366 Crystal
XF 88/2-89/2 Crystal, Quicksilver
XF 89-90 p1 Quicksilver
H2 402-407 p1 Avengers
NW 36
SECDEF 4-5 Namorita
Maximum Carnage Captain America, Firestar, Morbius
Q 47-50 Dr. Strange, Thing unscarred
FF 370 (20:4-22) - 373
ASM 375/2 Spider-Man, Silver Sable
FF 374 - 377 (1-12:3) Thing scarred
FF@ 26
FF 377 (12:4-22) - FF 378 (1-20)
DLOK2 26 Thing with helmet
IC

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Re: Spider-Man in FF 372-378

Post by michel » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:31 pm

Sleepwalker's listing is full of surprises :

SLEEP 18
SLEEP 18 ~ IW 5
SLEEP 18
DRSTR3 46
SLEEPHS
SLEEPHS /2
SLEEP 25/2
IC 1
T 464
IC 2
IC 3
IC 4
WOSM 106
IC 4
IC 5
IC 5 ~ WOSM 106
IC 5
IC 6
SLEEP 30
SLEEP 19
SLEEP 20
SLEEP 21
SLEEP 22
SLEEP 23
SLEEP 24
SECDEF 4
SECDEF 5
SLEEP 25
SLEEP 26
SLEEP 27
SLEEP 28
SLEEP 29
SLEEP 31

At first, SLEEP 25/2 is before IC for Sleepwalker but after IC for Rick Sheridan. That looks curious but not impossible, could someone check that ? What's more problematic is that SECDEF 4-5 is before IC for Dr. Strange, and SLEEP 26-27 is before IC for the Avengers, but both are after IC for Sleepwalker. Thoughts ?

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Re: Spider-Man in FF 372-378

Post by michel » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:23 pm

michel wrote:At first, SLEEP 25/2 is before IC for Sleepwalker but after IC for Rick Sheridan. That looks curious but not impossible, could someone check that ? What's more problematic is that SECDEF 4-5 is before IC for Dr. Strange, and SLEEP 26-27 is before IC for the Avengers, but both are after IC for Sleepwalker. Thoughts ?
I've checked the Sleepwalker books :

SLEEP 19 (1-11) happens just after IW
The Mindfield arc begins in SLEEP (12-22) and ends in SLEEP 24, no gap can be put in there : Sleepwalker and Rick Sheridan's bodies are merged, then they switch bodies, and when they got their bodies back, they are free of each other, Sleepwalker doesn't need Rick to sleep to appear.
At the end of SLEEP 25, Sleepwalker seems to kill Rick, Rick is brought back to life at the end of SLEEP 33, when Sleepwalker disappears.

In SLEEP 30, SECDEF 4, IC 3-4, SLEEPHS, SLEEPHS /2 and SLEEP 25/2, Rick must sleep for Sleepwalker to appear, so it has to happen in between the two halves of SLEEP 19. So SLEEP 26-27 happens after IC, and the Avengers appearances have to be moved after IC. SLEEPHS can be let after Q 47, when Quasar gets his quantum bands back, and before IC. Rick and Sleepwalker appear both at the same time in SLEEP 25/2. SECDEF 4-5 must be moved before before SLEEP 19 (12-22), so it can be placed before IC as it is for Dr. Strange

Proposed chronologies :

SLEEPWALKER
[...]
SLEEP 17
SLEEP 18
SLEEP 18 ~ IW 5
SLEEP 18
DRSTR3 46
* SLEEP 19 (1-11) added
* SECDEF 4 moved here
* SECDEF 5 moved here
SLEEPHS
SLEEPHS /2
* SLEEP 25/2 moved from here
IC 1
T 464
IC 2
IC 3
IC 4
WOSM 106
IC 4
IC 5
IC 5 ~ WOSM 106
IC 5
IC 6
* SLEEP 25/2 moved here
SLEEP 30
* SLEEP 19 (12-22) modified
SLEEP 20
SLEEP 21
SLEEP 22
SLEEP 23
SLEEP 24
* SECDEF 4 moved from here
* SECDEF 5 moved from here
SLEEP 25
SLEEP 26
SLEEP 27
SLEEP 28
SLEEP 29
SLEEP 31
SLEEP 32
SLEEP 33

SHERIDAN, RICHARD "RICK"
[...]
SLEEP 17
SLEEP 18
SLEEP 18-BTS ~ IW 5-BTS
SLEEP 18-BTS
DRSTR3 46-BTS
* SLEEP 19 (1-11) added
* SECDEF 4 moved here
SLEEPHS
SLEEPHS /2
IC 3
IC 4
SLEEP 25/2
SLEEP 30
* SLEEP 19 (12-22) modified
SLEEP 20
SLEEP 21
SLEEP 22
SLEEP 23
SLEEP 24
* SECDEF 4 moved from here
SLEEP 25
SLEEP 26
SLEEP 27
SLEEP 29
SLEEP 31
SLEEP 32
SLEEP 33

Any idea how to place SLEEP 26-27 after IC for the Avengers (Black Widow, Black Knight, Sersi, Crystal, Hercules, Vision) ?

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Re: Spider-Man in FF 372-378

Post by Somebody » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:21 pm

michel wrote:SLEEPHS can be let after Q 47, when Quasar gets his quantum bands back, and before IC.
Can't it be put before, rather than after, Quasar's "death" in Infinity War? You have to write off his haircut as an art error to put it after Q 47 - not insurmountable, but something to avoid if possible.

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Re: Spider-Man in FF 372-378

Post by michel » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:53 am

Somebody wrote:Can't it be put before, rather than after, Quasar's "death" in Infinity War? You have to write off his haircut as an art error to put it after Q 47 - not insurmountable, but something to avoid if possible.
The first spot before Q 40 would be just before IW, so in between pages 20 and 21 of SLEEP 17.

SLEEPWALKER
[...]
* SLEEP 17 (1-20) modified
* SLEEPHS moved here
* SLEEPHS /2 moved here
* SLEEP 17 (21-22) added
SLEEP 18
SLEEP 18 ~ IW 5
SLEEP 18
DRSTR3 46
* SLEEP 19 (1-11) added
* SECDEF 4 moved here
* SECDEF 5 moved here
* SLEEPHS moved from here
* SLEEPHS /2 moved from here
* SLEEP 25/2 moved from here
IC 1
T 464
IC 2
IC 3
IC 4
WOSM 106
IC 4
IC 5
IC 5 ~ WOSM 106
IC 5
IC 6
* SLEEP 25/2 moved here
SLEEP 30
* SLEEP 19 (12-22) modified
SLEEP 20
SLEEP 21
SLEEP 22
SLEEP 23
SLEEP 24
* SECDEF 4 moved from here
* SECDEF 5 moved from here
SLEEP 25
SLEEP 26
SLEEP 27
SLEEP 28
SLEEP 29
SLEEP 31
SLEEP 32
SLEEP 33

SHERIDAN, RICHARD "RICK"
[...]
* SLEEP 17 (1-20) modified
* SLEEPHS moved here
* SLEEPHS /2 moved here
* SLEEP 17 (21-22) added
SLEEP 18
SLEEP 18-BTS ~ IW 5-BTS
SLEEP 18-BTS
DRSTR3 46-BTS
* SLEEP 19 (1-11) added
* SECDEF 4 moved here
* SLEEPHS moved from here
* SLEEPHS /2 moved from here
IC 3
IC 4
SLEEP 25/2
SLEEP 30
* SLEEP 19 (12-22) modified
SLEEP 20
SLEEP 21
SLEEP 22
SLEEP 23
SLEEP 24
* SECDEF 4 moved from here
SLEEP 25
SLEEP 26
SLEEP 27
SLEEP 29
SLEEP 31
SLEEP 32
SLEEP 33

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Re: Spider-Man in FF 372-378

Post by Somebody » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:44 pm

michel wrote:
Somebody wrote:Can't it be put before, rather than after, Quasar's "death" in Infinity War? You have to write off his haircut as an art error to put it after Q 47 - not insurmountable, but something to avoid if possible.
The first spot before Q 40 would be just before IW, so in between pages 20 and 21 of SLEEP 17.
Where exactly is that putting it for Quasar?

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Re: Spider-Man in FF 372-378

Post by michel » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:34 pm

In between Q 36 and 37

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Re: Spider-Man in FF 372-378

Post by JephYork » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:42 pm

I'm bumping this -- I'd like to get the X-side of things settled in the next week or so. We're laying out Wolverine's chronology for this period in Index v3 #2, and I want to make sure we get it right.

Where do we stand on michel's proposed solution a few posts back? Any problems with that?

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Re: Spider-Man in FF 372-378

Post by JephYork » Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:03 pm

Bump again. Index #3.2 goes to the printers' in less than a week, and right now Wolverine's chronology between #65-66 matches what's on the MCP. If this section of the MCP needs tweaking, we've got about six days, absolute maximum, to figure it all out and submit last-second corrections to Marvel.

What does everyone think of michel's proposed solution? Does it have any holes? Does it need re-thinking?

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