Immortal Weapons 1

[Leoparis]

This issue telling the origin of Fat Cobra has a number of guest appearances:

1933 or after, with Ulysses Bloodstone vs living mummies

the revised chrono of Ulysses Bloodstone is here:
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The narrative also mentions Mole People and Fin Fang Foom (between {ST 89} and {AT 23})

1939 with Union Jack (before his WWII appearance in INV 7)

(then sits out WW II, spends " a little time" in Hollywood, played defensive end for the Giants for two seasons, worked the underground fighting circuit for years)

(60s) winning an eating contest in Olympus vs Hercules, Volstagg and Googam. Zeus, Hera and Hebe? also appear.

Hercules appears before JIM 124
Volstagg appears in the 60s in M/LG 5
Googam appears after ToS 17
Olympians appear before JIM 124

(70s) Elvis Presley
(At the height of the Cold War) with Nick Fury and SHIELD vs a team of Russian werewolves who'd overtaken the American Moon base. (I'd put this in 1975 as this seems a homage to Creatures on the Loose 35-36)

Nick Fury appears here before M/LG 9

[Col_Fury]

(70s) Elvis Presley
(At the height of the Cold War) with Nick Fury and SHIELD vs a team of Russian werewolves who'd overtaken the American Moon base. (I'd put this in 1975 as this seems a homage to Creatures on the Loose 35-36)

Nick Fury appears here before M/LG 9

M/LG 9 takes place before Tony Stark becomes Iron Man. Nick Fury joins SHIELD after Tony Stark becomes Iron Man. If Nick Fury is with SHIELD, this cannot take place before M/LG 9.

[Leoparis]

Good point but with the sliding timescale we have Nick Fury with SHIELD in the 70s (before Stark became Iron Man) as writers try to extend Fury's SHIELD career through the Cold War decades rather than fit it in within the last decade. So, time travel? Nick Fury LMD years before he was recruited? (Apparently LMD technology dates back to 1961 per Hickman's SHIELD series and Fury was involved with the centuries-old organization called the Shield.) A case of Shield mispelling in IW1?

I read through ST 135, there's no mention of Iron Man. Maybe a Marvel writer will retcon this appearance of Tony to an appearance of Howard.

[Col_Fury]

Maybe a Marvel writer will retcon this appearance of Tony to an appearance of Howard.

Then we'd have a mess on our hands. Nick Fury was still with the CIA in Fantastic Four #21. He hadn't yet joined SHIELD by that point (ST 135 takes place between TOS 64-65 for Iron Man).

Besides...

(70s) Elvis Presley
(At the height of the Cold War) with Nick Fury and SHIELD vs a team of Russian werewolves who'd overtaken the American Moon base. (I'd put this in 1975 as this seems a homage to Creatures on the Loose 35-36)

Nick Fury appears here before M/LG 9

Creatures on the Loose #35-36 takes place just after Hulk #199 for Nick Fury. We could still put this appearance close to COTL 35-36, but we can't move COTL 35-36 to before M/LG 9 because John Jameson appears in COTL 35-36, and references his status as the Man-Wolf. John Jameson doesn't become Man-Wolf until after Peter Parker becomes Spider-Man, and M/LG 9 takes place before Peter Parker becomes Spider-Man.

I haven't read Immortal Weapons #1 yet, but I don't see any reason why we can't place this appearance alongside books published in 1975 (so around COTL 35-36 sounds fine). However, if Fury is with SHIELD, we can't place this before M/LG 9.

[loki]

A lot of writers don't get that SHIELD doesn't predate the modern era. Best to either take it that references to SHIELD should actually be the CIA, or else that it refers to Project: SHIELD, whereby agencies from different countries worked in joint operations together as a precursor to the actual founding of SHIELD proper.. MLG 10 mentions Project SHIELD, which was part of the process of establishing SHIELD - its not a huge leap to assume it would take a long time, years if not decades, to hammer out the details that would convince numerous nations to let an international agency outwith their direct control operate within their borders and recruit from their national security services, and Project SHIELD thus provides a catch-all no-prize covering any mistaken mentions of SHIELD prior to the agency's founding.

[Michael]

Whether or not SHIELD predates the modern era varies Depending on the Writer- what's always been consistent is that Nick's tenure with SHIELD started after the FF's first encounter with the Hate Monger, and that's the problem in this instance.

[Leoparis]

Maybe a Marvel writer will retcon this appearance of Tony to an appearance of Howard.

Then we'd have a mess on our hands. Nick Fury was still with the CIA in Fantastic Four #21. He hadn't yet joined SHIELD by that point (ST 135 takes place between TOS 64-65 for Iron Man).

Besides...

(70s) Elvis Presley
(At the height of the Cold War) with Nick Fury and SHIELD vs a team of Russian werewolves who'd overtaken the American Moon base. (I'd put this in 1975 as this seems a homage to Creatures on the Loose 35-36)

Nick Fury appears here before M/LG 9

Creatures on the Loose #35-36 takes place just after Hulk #199 for Nick Fury. We could still put this appearance close to COTL 35-36, but we can't move COTL 35-36 to before M/LG 9 because John Jameson appears in COTL 35-36, and references his status as the Man-Wolf. John Jameson doesn't become Man-Wolf until after Peter Parker becomes Spider-Man, and M/LG 9 takes place before Peter Parker becomes Spider-Man.

I haven't read Immortal Weapons #1 yet, but I don't see any reason why we can't place this appearance alongside books published in 1975 (so around COTL 35-36 sounds fine). However, if Fury is with SHIELD, we can't place this before M/LG 9.

Immortal Weapons describes the history of Fat Cobra in sequence through the 20th century. The Fury/SHIELD fb takes place during "the height of the Cold War" but due to the sliding scale the Cold War ended well before FF 1. There is no exact date for this fb, except it's after the lunar landing and the Presley fb but before Glasnost and Perestroika. I took the Moon setting and werewolves as a cue to place it in 1975 since we have similar elements in COTL (but the events are clearly unrelated). Obviously COTL 35-36 doesn't take place in 1975 but within the last decade like the rest of the Marvel era.

The scientific/occult organization called the Shield or the project SHIELD mentioned by Loki are good escape clauses to explain mentions of SHIELD during the Cold War. Stern and Byrne probably did it on purpose too.

[loki]

Whether or not SHIELD predates the modern era varies Depending on the Writer- what's always been consistent is that Nick's tenure with SHIELD started after the FF's first encounter with the Hate Monger, and that's the problem in this instance.

Despite some writers not realising how recently it was formed and/or not grasping the concept of the sliding timescale, Marvel's official stance is that SHIELD only came into being during the "modern era." It was only recently active when Nick was brought in to replace Rick Stoner, which was one reason why Nick had never heard of it despite being a well-connected member of the intelligence service.

[loki]

The scientific/occult organization called the Shield or the project SHIELD mentioned by Loki are good escape clauses to explain mentions of SHIELD during the Cold War. Stern and Byrne probably did it on purpose too.

Very probably.