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RED HULK

Post by Col_Fury » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:33 pm

What’s Gen. Thunderbolt Ross been up to since he became Red Hulk? Here’s what I have so far:

RED HULK/GEN. THADDEUS "THUNDERBOLT" ROSS
From Ross, Gen. Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross
H4 23 (26-28)-FB (becomes Red Hulk)
H4 1
H4 2 (1-3)
KSH 1/2 (2-6)
H4 2 (4)-BTS
KSH 1/2 (7)
H4 2 (5-6)
KSH 1/2 (8)
H4 2 (8-23)
H4 3
H4 4 (1-21:1)
HTU 1 (1-4)
H4 4 (21:2-22)
H4 5
H4 6 (1-10)
HTU 1 (9:3)
H4 6 (11-22)
H4 23 (29:3-29:7)-FB
H4 7/2
H4 8/2
H4 9/2
H4 10
H4 11
H4 12
W3 73
FOH: REDH 4-FB (abducts She-Hulk)
FOH: SSH 2-FB
H2 600
H4 21-FB
H4 23 (30/31:8-30/31:9)-FB
H4 14 (after UTOPIA, before the List one-shots)
H4 15
H4 16
H4 17
FOH: REDH 2 (9-15:3)-FB (WWHulks)
FOH: GAMMA (1:2)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (1:4)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (2:1)-FB
H4 23 (32:2)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (2:2-2:4)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (3-5)-FB
H4 23 (32:3-32:6)-FB
FOH: GAMMA
FOH: REDH 1
FOH: REDH 2 (1-3)
H2 606-FB
H4 19
H4 20
FOH: REDH 2 (16-22)
FOH: REDH 3
FOH: REDH 4
H4 21
WWHS: HOH 1
H4 22
H4 23
H4 24 (WWHulks)
H4 25-FB
H4 25
H4 26
H4 27
H4 28
H4 29
H4 30
H4 30.1
H4 31
H4 32
H4 33
H4 34
H4 35
H3 36
A4 13 (7-8)-FB (Fear Itself)
FI 1 (1-17)
A4 13 (18:6)-FB
FI 1 (18/19:2-18/19:4) ~ A4 13 (19/20:1-19/20:4)-FB
A4 13 (19/20:5-19/20:6)-FB
FI 1 (18/19:5-31/32:2)
A4 13 (13-15)-FB
A4 13 (17-18:5)-FB
FI 1 (31/32:3-33:1)
JIM 622
FI 1 (33:2-44)
FI 2
H4 37 (1-12)
A4 14 (7:1)-FB
H4 37 (13:2-14/15:1) ~ A4 14 (7:2)-FB
A4 14 (7:3)-FB-OP
H4 37 (14/15:2)
A4 14 (8)-FB
H4 37 (14/15:3-14/15:8)
A4 14 (9:1-10:1)-FB
H4 37 (16-17)
A4 14 (10:3-13:3)-FB
H4 37 (18:1-20:1)
A4 14 (13:4-15/16:1)-FB
H4 37 (20:2)
H4 38 (1:1-4:2)
A4 14 (17-20)-FB
H4 38 (4:3)
A4 14 (21/22:1-21/22:2)-FB
H4 38 (5-20)
H4 39
H4 40
H4 41
FI 6
IM 509
JIM 629
FI 7 (1-33)
FI 7.2-FB
FI 7 (34-54) (Fear Itself)
A4 13 ("now" interview portion)
A4 18 (after Fear Itself)
FI: FEARLESS 8
FI: FEARLESS 10
FI: FEARLESS 11
FI: FEARLESS 12 (shortly after Fear Itself)
ASM 666 (Spider-Island)
ASM 667
ASM 668
ASM 669
ASM 672
ASM 673 (Spider-Island)
VENOM2 13
VENOM2 13.1
VENOM2 13.2
VENOM2 13.3
VENOM2 13.4
VENOM2 14
A4 19
A4 20
A4 21
A4 22
A4 23
A4 24
F.F. 11
FF 600 (Human Torch returns)
FF 602
H4 50
H4 51
H4 52
AASS 1
AASS 8
A4 28 (3-4)-FB (Avengers vs. X-Men)
NA2 24 (1/2:9-1/2:10)
AVX 1
NA2 24 (3-4)
AVX 2 (2:2-5:1)
UX2 11 (9)
A4 28 (1/2:1)-FB
A4 25
W&X 10-FB
UX2 11 (10-20)
AVX 3
AVX 4 (8-13:2)
W&X 11 (1-9:1)
A4 28 (1/2:2)-FB
W&X 11 (9:2-19:1)
UX2 13-FB
AVX 4 (18:2-22:3)
AVXVS 3 (1:1-1:15)
AVX 5 (9:2-9:3)
AVXVS 3 (1:16-10)
AVXVS 6/5
A4 28
AVX 7
AVX 8
AVX 9
AVX 12-FB
AVX 11 (1-14)
UX2 18
AVX 11 (15-30)
X 273
AVX 12 (Avengers vs. X-Men)
A4 31 (shortly after AVX)
A4 32
A4 33
A4 34
NA2 33
NA2 34
H4 53 (after AVX for She-Hulk)
H4 54
H4 55
H4 56
H4 57
TB3 1
TB3 2
TB3 3
TB3 4

Here’s the rest of Red Hulk’s appearances that I can find:

KING-SIZE HULK #1 (July 2008)
-what happens in the first story?

SPIDER-GIRL v2 #1-3 (January-March 2011)
-published same months as HULK v4 #27-29

AVENGERS v4 #7-12 (January-August 2011)
-published same months as HULK v4 #27-36; after H4 28 & FF 588 for Captain America

DAKEN: DARK WOLVERINE #9.1 (July 2011)
-published same month as HULK v4 #33, with Avengers

SKAAR: KING OF THE SAVAGE LAND #5 (September 2011)
-published same month as HULK v4 #36-37, with Avengers

SPIDER-ISLAND: AVENGERS #1 (November 2011)
SPIDER-ISLAND: HEROES FOR HIRE #1 (December 2011)
-where do these fit in with Spider-Island?

ANNIHILATORS: EARTHFALL #1-4 (November 2011-February 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #40-46

HULK v4 #42-49 (December 2011-May 2012)
-where do these fit around Spider-Island? #49 published same month as VENOM v2 #13-14

AVENGING SPIDER-MAN #1-3, 5 (January-May 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #44-49, after Spider-Island

VENOM v2 #11-12 (March 2012)
-how close to VENOM v2 #13-14 is this? Published same month as HULK v4 #47

AVENGERS: X-SANCTION #1-4 (February-May 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #46-49

UNCANNY X-MEN v2 #9-10 (May-June 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #49-50

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #682-687 (May-August 2012)
-Ends of the Earth, after AVENGSM #1-5; published same months as HULK v4 #49-54

HULK SMASH AVENGERS #5 (July 2012)
-what happens here? Is this in the past? Published same month as HULK v4 #51-52

Also, did I miss any WWHulks flashbacks? Or any “creation of Red Hulk” flashbacks?
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Re: RED HULK

Post by Leoparis » Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:30 am

Hulk Smash Avengers 5

Yes, it's in the past, around Hulk (2008) #2-3
Banner still in prison says to Iron Man "This new Hulk. The Red Hulk. He's been attacking you-- and SHIELD--stealing equipement--whenever he feels like it. Your new team of quote-unquote Mighty Avengers can't catch him.
We see the following Mighty Avengers fighting Red Hulk: Wonder Man; Ares; Sentry; Ms. Marvel; Black Widow

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Post by Jason Doty » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:51 am

KING-SIZE HULK #1 (July 2008)
-what happens in the first story?
Banner still in his cell analyzes the Red Hulk then General Ross reads his report. (This happens after Red Hulk leaves the Hellicarier in free fall, but before he attacks A-Bomb on the last three pgs. of H4 #2)

H4 #2 last three pages need to take place place after pg.1-4 of H4 #3 (Where the Hellicarrier has gone down)

King-Size Hulk #1-FB
Red Hulk sets up camp (in Alaska or Canada) on his way to Russia, after killing a deer with his gun. His eating attracts a Wendigo, which he kills and leaves as a warning to other Wendigo, who later devour that Wendogo's body. (This takes place after he becomes Red Hulk and Before #1)

So for Red Hulk
H4 23 (26-28)-FB (becomes Red Hulk)
KSH 1-fb (on his way to Russia)
H4 1
H4 3-fb (video of Ross and Samson talking to Bruce as reviewed by Iron Man in H4 #3 (1-7))
H4 2 (1-3)
KSH 1/2 (2-6) (fight with She-Hulk on Hellicarrier)
H4 2 (4)-BTS
KSH 1/2 (7)
H4 2 (5-6)
KSH 1/2 (8)
H4 2 (8-20)
H4 3 (1-5) *no Red Hulk but must precede H4 2 (21-23)
KSH 1 (Ross reads Banners report)
H4 2 (21-23)
H4 3 (5-23)
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Re: RED HULK

Post by Jason Doty » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:54 am

SPIDER-GIRL v2 #1-3 (January-March 2011)
-published same months as HULK v4 #27-29
To start the narrowing down, this title will be between World War Hulks and Fear Itself. For Spider-Girl it takes place after Young Allies, but before Giant-Size Avengers Academy. It's part of the "Big Time" arc in Amazing Spider-Man.

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Re: RED HULK

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:23 am

Col_Fury wrote:
SPIDER-ISLAND: AVENGERS #1 (November 2011)
SPIDER-ISLAND: HEROES FOR HIRE #1 (December 2011)
-where do these fit in with Spider-Island?
Here's Red Hulk's Spider-Island chronology:
ASM 666
ASM 667
ASM 668
SI:A 1
SI:HFH 1
ASM 669
ASM 672
ASM 673
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Re: RED HULK

Post by Jason Doty » Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:23 am

Hulk Smash Avengers 5

Yes, it's in the past, around Hulk (2008) #2-3
Banner still in prison says to Iron Man "This new Hulk. The Red Hulk. He's been attacking you-- and SHIELD--stealing equipement--whenever he feels like it. Your new team of quote-unquote Mighty Avengers can't catch him.
We see the following Mighty Avengers fighting Red Hulk: Wonder Man; Ares; Sentry; Ms. Marvel; Black Widow
Adding in Leoparis's description

H4 23 (26-28)-FB (becomes Red Hulk)
KSH 1-fb (on his way to Russia)
H4 1
H4 3-fb (video of Ross and Samson talking to Bruce as reviewed by Iron Man in H4 #3 (1-7))
H4 2 (1-3)
KSH 1/2 (2-6) (fight with She-Hulk on Hellicarrier)
H4 2 (4)-BTS
KSH 1/2 (7)
H4 2 (5-6)
KSH 1/2 (8)
H4 2 (8-20)
H4 3 (1-5) *no Red Hulk but must precede H4 2 (21-23)
KSH 1 (Ross reads Banners report)
HSmA 5
H4 2 (21-23)
H4 3 (5-23)
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Re: RED HULK

Post by Jason Doty » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:04 pm

SPIDER-GIRL v2 #1-3 (January-March 2011)
-published same months as HULK v4 #27-29
To start the narrowing down, this title will be between World War Hulks and Fear Itself. For Spider-Girl it takes place after Young Allies, but before Giant-Size Avengers Academy. It's part of the "Big Time" arc in Amazing Spider-Man.
The first spot this could go in would be between H4 30 and H4 30.1 (Human Torch and the rest of the FF appear hear as well) So before FF 588

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Re: RED HULK

Post by Col_Fury » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:54 pm

The Thunderbolt Ross that appears in HULK v4 #1-6 is an LMD, and that LMD is killed/destroyed/whatever in FoH: Gamma. The Intelligencia put this LMD in place so people wouldn't suspect Ross of being the Red Hulk.

Is the Thunderbolt Ross that appears in KING-SIZE HULK #1 this LMD?
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Re: RED HULK

Post by Col_Fury » Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:35 pm

Jason Doty wrote:
Col_Fury wrote:SPIDER-GIRL v2 #1-3 (January-March 2011)
-published same months as HULK v4 #27-29
The first spot this could go in would be between H4 30 and H4 30.1 (Human Torch and the rest of the FF appear hear as well) So before FF 588
That lines up with publication dates, and H4 30.1 starts another story that runs through H4 36. I think this is the best spot for SG2 1-3.

The Ross LMD thing got me thinking, so how's this look for a chronology:

ROSS, GEN. THADDEUS "THUNDERBOLT" L.M.D.
H4 1
KSH 1
H4 3
H4 6
H4 23-FB
H2 600
FOH: GAMMA (1:2)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (1:4)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (2:1)-FB
H4 23 (32:2)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (2:2-2:4)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (3-5)-FB
H4 23 (32:3-32:6)-FB
FOH: GAMMA

H4 30.1-36 involves Gen. Fortean chasing Red Hulk. Red Hulk can't sleep because Fortean has injected Hulk with bombs (if he reverts to Ross Fortean will be able to tell and blow him up). Hulk finds a workaround in H4 36, so he really shouldn't make any other appearances between H4 30.1-36. Am I wrong in thinking Red Hulk joins the Avengers after H4 36?

Looking at War Machine's chronology, it looks like H4 42-46 should happen before Spider-Island.

VENOM v2 #11-12 lead in to VENOM v2 #13-14. VENOM v2 #13 was published the same month as HULK v4 #48, so I'm thinking VENOM v2 #13-14 should happen between H4 48-49.

For future reference, H4 49 guest stars the Eternals, and should happen after THOR: DEVIANT SAGA #1-5.

Putting all of this together:

RED HULK/GEN. THADDEUS "THUNDERBOLT" ROSS
From Ross, Gen. Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross
H4 23 (26-28)-FB (becomes Red Hulk)
KSH 1-FB
H4 1
H4 2 (1-3)
KSH 1/2 (2-6)
H4 2 (4)-BTS
KSH 1/2 (7)
H4 2 (5-20)
HSA 5
H4 2 (21-23)
H4 3
H4 4 (1-21:1)
HTU 1 (1-4)
H4 4 (21:2-22)
H4 5
H4 6 (1-10)
HTU 1 (9:3)
H4 6 (11-22)
H4 23 (29:3-29:7)-FB
H4 7/2
H4 8/2
H4 9/2
H4 10
H4 11
H4 12
W3 73
FOH: REDH 4-FB (abducts She-Hulk)
FOH: SSH 2-FB
H2 600
H4 21-FB
H4 23 (30/31:8-30/31:9)-FB
H4 14 (after UTOPIA, before the List one-shots)
H4 15
H4 16
H4 17
FOH: REDH 2 (9-15:3)-FB (WWHulks)
FOH: GAMMA (1:2)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (1:4)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (2:1)-FB
H4 23 (32:2)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (2:2-2:4)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (3-5)-FB
H4 23 (32:3-32:6)-FB
FOH: GAMMA
FOH: REDH 1
FOH: REDH 2 (1-3)
H2 606-FB
H4 19
H4 20
FOH: REDH 2 (16-22)
FOH: REDH 3
FOH: REDH 4
H4 21
WWHS: HOH 1
H4 22
H4 23
H4 24 (WWHulks)
H4 25-FB
H4 25
H4 26
H4 27
H4 28
H4 29
H4 30
SG2 3-FB
SG2 1
SG2 2
SG2 3 (Torch appears, before FF 588)
H4 30.1
H4 31
H4 32
H4 33
H4 34
H4 35
H4 36
A4 7
A4 8
A4 9
A4 10
A4 11
A4 12 (after FF 588 for Captain America)
A4 13 (7-8)-FB (Fear Itself)
FI 1 (1-17)
A4 13 (18:6)-FB
FI 1 (18/19:2-18/19:4) ~ A4 13 (19/20:1-19/20:4)-FB
A4 13 (19/20:5-19/20:6)-FB
FI 1 (18/19:5-31/32:2)
A4 13 (13-15)-FB
A4 13 (17-18:5)-FB
FI 1 (31/32:3-33:1)
JIM 622
FI 1 (33:2-44)
FI 2
H4 37 (1-12)
A4 14 (7:1)-FB
H4 37 (13:2-14/15:1) ~ A4 14 (7:2)-FB
A4 14 (7:3)-FB-OP
H4 37 (14/15:2)
A4 14 (8)-FB
H4 37 (14/15:3-14/15:8)
A4 14 (9:1-10:1)-FB
H4 37 (16-17)
A4 14 (10:3-13:3)-FB
H4 37 (18:1-20:1)
A4 14 (13:4-15/16:1)-FB
H4 37 (20:2)
H4 38 (1:1-4:2)
A4 14 (17-20)-FB
H4 38 (4:3)
A4 14 (21/22:1-21/22:2)-FB
H4 38 (5-20)
H4 39
H4 40
H4 41
FI 6
IM 509
JIM 629
FI 7 (1-33)
FI 7.2-FB
FI 7 (34-54) (Fear Itself)
A4 13 ("now" interview portion)
A4 18
FI: FEARLESS 8
FI: FEARLESS 10
FI: FEARLESS 11
FI: FEARLESS 12
H4 42
H4 43
H4 44
H4 45
H4 46
ASM 666 (Spider-Island)
ASM 667
ASM 668
SI: A 1
SI: HFH 1
ASM 669
ASM 672
ASM 673 (Spider-Island)
H4 47
H4 48
H4 50-FB
VENOM2 11
VENOM2 12
VENOM2 13
VENOM2 13.1
VENOM2 13.2
VENOM2 13.3
VENOM2 13.4
VENOM2 14
H4 49
A4 19
A4 20
A4 21
A4 22
A4 23
A4 24
F.F. 11
FF 600 (Human Torch Returns)
FF 602
H4 50
H4 51
H4 52
AASS 1
AASS 8
A4 28 (3-4)-FB (Avengers vs. X-Men)
NA2 24 (1/2:9-1/2:10)
AVX 1
NA2 24 (3-4)
AVX 2 (2:2-5:1)
UX2 11 (9)
A4 28 (1/2:1)-FB
A4 25
W&X 10-FB
UX2 11 (10-20)
AVX 3
AVX 4 (8-13:2)
W&X 11 (1-9:1)
A4 28 (1/2:2)-FB
W&X 11 (9:2-19:1)
UX2 13-FB
AVX 4 (18:2-22:3)
AVXVS 3 (1:1-1:15)
AVX 5 (9:2-9:3)
AVXVS 3 (1:16-10)
AVXVS 6/5
A4 28
AVX 7
AVX 8
AVX 9
AVX 12-FB
AVX 11 (1-14)
UX2 18
AVX 11 (15-30)
X 273
AVX 12 (Avengers vs. X-Men)
A4 31 (shortly after AVX)
A4 32
A4 33
A4 34
NA2 33
NA2 34
H4 53 (after AVX for She-Hulk)
H4 54
H4 55
H4 56
H4 57
TB3 1
TB3 2
TB3 3
TB3 4

Here’s the rest of Red Hulk’s appearances that I can find:

DAKEN: DARK WOLVERINE #9.1 (July 2011)
-published same month as HULK v4 #33, with Avengers

SKAAR: KING OF THE SAVAGE LAND #5 (September 2011)
-published same month as HULK v4 #36-37, with Avengers

ANNIHILATORS: EARTHFALL #1-4 (November 2011-February 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #40-46

AVENGING SPIDER-MAN #1-3, 5 (January-May 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #44-49, after Spider-Island

AVENGERS: X-SANCTION #1-4 (February-May 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #46-49

UNCANNY X-MEN v2 #9-10 (May-June 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #49-50

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #682-687 (May-August 2012)
-Ends of the Earth, after AVENGSM #1-5; published same months as HULK v4 #49-54
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Re: RED HULK

Post by Jason Doty » Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:55 pm

Is the Thunderbolt Ross that appears in KING-SIZE HULK #1 this LMD?
I'm unsure, Red Hulk attacks A-Bomb outside of Gamma Base, after leaving the Hellicarrier. So it could or couldn't be him. Your call.

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Re: RED HULK

Post by Jason Doty » Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:58 pm

Didn't Red Hulk join the Avengers the same time as Storm?

My mistake, They were just letting Vision know that they had a Red Hulk on the team now.

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Re: RED HULK

Post by Jason Doty » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:08 pm

SKAAR: KING OF THE SAVAGE LAND #5 (September 2011)
-published same month as HULK v4 #36-37, with Avengers
This series takes place after Skaar has come to an understanding with his father. (no longer trying to kill him and goes to stay in the Savage Land). Red Hulk is seen here as a member of the Avengers, with Wolverine, Thor, and Steve Rogers in the Super Soldier outfit. (So I'm thinking after Red Hulk joins the Avengers and before Fear Itself.)

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Re: RED HULK

Post by LordZorn » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:22 pm

Colonel Fury, sir:

It occurs to me that the Red Hulk also made an early appearance in the first story in the now-famous ASM 583(Spidey meets Obama issue), as one of a series of villains Spidey encounters in the week before the presidential inauguration presented in the issue's second story....I seem to recall that they battle in NYC/some other big urban center(it surprised me to see the Red Hulk so far from his regular Southwestern haunts for no apparent reason so soon after his battle with A-Bomb).

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Re: RED HULK

Post by Jason Doty » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:52 pm

DAKEN: DARK WOLVERINE #9.1 (July 2011)
-published same month as HULK v4 #33, with Avengers
I don't see Red Hulk in this issue. It's after Siege and before Fear Itself, because of the part of Asgard on the roof of the tower, and features Avenger's Wolverine, Thor, Iron Man, Steve Rogers in his Super Soldier outfit, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, and Hawkeye.

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Re: RED HULK

Post by Jason Doty » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:56 pm

Colonel Fury, sir:

It occurs to me that the Red Hulk also made an early appearance in the first story in the now-famous ASM 583(Spidey meets Obama issue), as one of a series of villains Spidey encounters in the week before the presidential inauguration presented in the issue's second story....I seem to recall that they battle in NYC/some other big urban center(it surprised me to see the Red Hulk so far from his regular Southwestern haunts for no apparent reason so soon after his battle with A-Bomb).

Hope this helps
This is probably a reference to World War Hulks story line.

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