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Re: RED HULK

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Jason Doty wrote:
Col_Fury wrote:DAKEN: DARK WOLVERINE #9.1 (July 2011)
-published same month as HULK v4 #33, with Avengers
I don't see Red Hulk in this issue.
Huh. I don't see him either. Thanks!
LordZorn wrote:It occurs to me that the Red Hulk also made an early appearance in the first story in the now-famous ASM 583(Spidey meets Obama issue), as one of a series of villains Spidey encounters
The first story is the speed dating story and the only villain I see is Lily Hollister. The second story is the Obama story, and the only villain I see is the Chameleon.
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Col_Fury wrote:SKAAR: KING OF THE SAVAGE LAND #5 (September 2011)
-published same month as HULK v4 #36-37, with Avengers
This series takes place after Skaar has come to an understanding with his father. (no longer trying to kill him and goes to stay in the Savage Land). Red Hulk is seen here as a member of the Avengers, with Wolverine, Thor, and Steve Rogers in the Super Soldier outfit. (So I'm thinking after Red Hulk joins the Avengers and before Fear Itself.)
Skaar and Hulk came to an understanding and Skaar was left in the Savage Land by H2 625, and Skaar #1-5 happens after that. Skaar #1 was published the same month as H2 625 and #5 was published the same month as Fear Itself #4. The recent Ka-Zar mini takes place after this Skaar mini. Then, Skaar joins Norman Osborn's Dark Avengers after Fear Itself in A4 19-24/NA2 19-24.

So yeah, I agree that it looks like Skaar #5 happens before Fear Itself. Thanks!
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Re: RED HULK

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ANNIHILATORS: EARTHFALL #1-4 (November 2011-February 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #40-46
This looks to take place after Fear Itself and before Wolverine and the X-Men.

The Avengers (Captain America (Rogers), Wolverine, Valkyrie, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Spider-Man, Red Hulk, Thing)

The Annihilators (Quasar, Gladiator, Ronan, Ikon, Cosmo)

No mention of Gladiator's son on Earth, Rogers is Captain America, Iron Man has formed Stark Resilient, Valkyrie is an active Avenger, Thing is in white FF trunks, for Red Hulk it has to take place after he returns to the Avengers after getting slammed out of New York and whatever adventures happen directly after, Ms. Marvel has not adopted Captain Marvel so before AvX, and I think it must occur for Ronan before his appearances in FF.

So from your list I'd say for Red Hulk between H4 46 and Spider Island.
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Re: RED HULK

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AVENGERS: X-SANCTION #1-4 (February-May 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #46-49

UNCANNY X-MEN v2 #9-10 (May-June 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #49-50
These issues take place prior to AvX, and I think nothing prevents you from using publication dates to place them. I would place them right after Avengers Assemble and before AvX.

AASS 8
A:XS 1-4
UX2 9-10
A4 28 (3-4)-FB (Avengers vs. X-Men)
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Re: RED HULK

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AVENGING SPIDER-MAN #1-3, 5 (January-May 2012)
-published same months as HULK v4 #44-49, after Spider-Island
Avenging Spider-Man 1-3 take place at the same time as ASM 676, where the Sinister Six take on the Intelligencia. So sometime between H4 48 and H4 49 if you want to keep it close to publication date.
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Re: RED HULK

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AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #682-687 (May-August 2012)
-Ends of the Earth, after AVENGSM #1-5; published same months as HULK v4 #49-54

These issues take place after the return of Torch, he appears in the two issues prior. So I'm thinking this takes place after the FF issues and before AvX. So I'd place this

H4 52
ASM 682-687
AASS 1

I recall seeing a recap page in ASM that lets us know what issues take place after AvX, anybody recall seeing this?
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Re: RED HULK

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Here's where we're at with Red Hulk:

RED HULK/GEN. THADDEUS "THUNDERBOLT" ROSS
From Ross, Gen. Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross
H4 23 (26-28)-FB (becomes Red Hulk)
KSH 1-FB
H4 1
H4 2 (1-3)
KSH 1/2 (2-6)
H4 2 (4)-BTS
KSH 1/2 (7)
H4 2 (5-20)
HSA 5
H4 2 (21-23)
H4 3
H4 4 (1-21:1)
HTU 1 (1-4)
H4 4 (21:2-22)
H4 5
H4 6 (1-10)
HTU 1 (9:3)
H4 6 (11-22)
H4 23 (29:3-29:7)-FB
H4 7/2
H4 8/2
H4 9/2
H4 10
H4 11
H4 12
W3 73
FOH: REDH 4-FB (abducts She-Hulk)
FOH: SSH 2-FB
H2 600
H4 21-FB
H4 23 (30/31:8-30/31:9)-FB
H4 14 (after UTOPIA, before the List one-shots)
H4 15
H4 16
H4 17
FOH: REDH 2 (9-15:3)-FB (WWHulks)
FOH: GAMMA (1:2)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (1:4)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (2:1)-FB
H4 23 (32:2)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (2:2-2:4)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (3-5)-FB
H4 23 (32:3-32:6)-FB
FOH: GAMMA
FOH: REDH 1
FOH: REDH 2 (1-3)
H2 606-FB
H4 19
H4 20
FOH: REDH 2 (16-22)
FOH: REDH 3
FOH: REDH 4
H4 21
WWHS: HOH 1
H4 22
H4 23
H4 24 (WWHulks)
H4 25-FB
H4 25
H4 26
H4 27
H4 28
H4 29
H4 30
SG2 3-FB
SG2 1
SG2 2
SG2 3 (Torch appears, before FF 588)
H4 30.1
H4 31
H4 32
H4 33
H4 34
H4 35
H4 36
A4 7
A4 8
A4 9
A4 10
A4 11
A4 12 (after FF 588 for Captain America)
SKAAR 5
A4 13 (7-8)-FB (Fear Itself)
FI 1 (1-17)
A4 13 (18:6)-FB
FI 1 (18/19:2-18/19:4) ~ A4 13 (19/20:1-19/20:4)-FB
A4 13 (19/20:5-19/20:6)-FB
FI 1 (18/19:5-31/32:2)
A4 13 (13-15)-FB
A4 13 (17-18:5)-FB
FI 1 (31/32:3-33:1)
JIM 622
FI 1 (33:2-44)
FI 2
H4 37 (1-12)
A4 14 (7:1)-FB
H4 37 (13:2-14/15:1) ~ A4 14 (7:2)-FB
A4 14 (7:3)-FB-OP
H4 37 (14/15:2)
A4 14 (8)-FB
H4 37 (14/15:3-14/15:8)
A4 14 (9:1-10:1)-FB
H4 37 (16-17)
A4 14 (10:3-13:3)-FB
H4 37 (18:1-20:1)
A4 14 (13:4-15/16:1)-FB
H4 37 (20:2)
H4 38 (1:1-4:2)
A4 14 (17-20)-FB
H4 38 (4:3)
A4 14 (21/22:1-21/22:2)-FB
H4 38 (5-20)
H4 39
H4 40
H4 41
FI 6
IM 509
JIM 629
FI 7 (1-33)
FI 7.2-FB
FI 7 (34-54) (Fear Itself)
A4 18
A4 13
FI: FEARLESS 8
FI: FEARLESS 10
FI: FEARLESS 11
FI: FEARLESS 12
H4 42
H4 43
H4 44
H4 45
H4 46
ASM 666 (Spider-Island)
ASM 667
ASM 668
SI: A 1
SI: HFH 1
ASM 669 (Steve Rogers in Super Soldier suit)
ASM 672
ASM 673 (Spider-Island)
ANNI: EF 1 (Steve Rogers in Cap suit)
ANNI: EF 2
ANNI: EF 3
ANNI: EF 4
H4 47
H4 48
H4 50-FB
VENOM2 11
VENOM2 12
VENOM2 13
VENOM2 13.1
VENOM2 13.2
VENOM2 13.3
VENOM2 13.4
VENOM2 14
AVENGSM 1
AVENGSM 2
AVENGSM 3
AVENGSM 5
H4 49
A4 19
A4 20
A4 21
A4 22
A4 23
A4 24
F.F. 11
FF 600 (Human Torch Returns)
FF 602
H4 50
H4 51
H4 52
A: XS 1
A: XS 2
A: XS 3
A: XS 4
UX2 9
UX2 10
ASM 682
ASM 683
ASM 684
ASM 685
ASM 686
ASM 687
AASS 1
AASS 8
A4 28 (3-4)-FB (Avengers vs. X-Men)
NA2 24 (1/2:9-1/2:10)
AVX 1
NA2 24 (3-4)
AVX 2 (2:2-5:1)
UX2 11 (9)
A4 28 (1/2:1)-FB
A4 25
W&X 10-FB
UX2 11 (10-20)
AVX 3
AVX 4 (8-13:2)
W&X 11 (1-9:1)
A4 28 (1/2:2)-FB
W&X 11 (9:2-19:1)
UX2 13-FB
AVX 4 (18:2-22:3)
AVXVS 3 (1:1-1:15)
AVX 5 (9:2-9:3)
AVXVS 3 (1:16-10)
AVXVS 6/5
A4 28
AVX 7
AVX 8
AVX 9
AVX 12-FB
AVX 11 (1-14)
UX2 18
AVX 11 (15-30)
X 273
AVX 12 (Avengers vs. X-Men)
A4 31 (shortly after AVX)
A4 32
A4 33
A4 34
NA2 33
NA2 34
H4 53 (after AVX for She-Hulk)
H4 54
H4 55
H4 56
H4 57
TB3 1
TB3 2
TB3 3
TB3 4

ROSS, GEN. THADDEUS "THUNDERBOLT" L.M.D.
H4 1
KSH 1
H4 3
H4 6
H4 23-FB
H2 600
FOH: GAMMA (1:2)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (1:4)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (2:1)-FB
H4 23 (32:2)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (2:2-2:4)-FB
FOH: GAMMA (3-5)-FB
H4 23 (32:3-32:6)-FB
FOH: GAMMA

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Re: RED HULK

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Hey Col Fury, I like it, but I'm just curious as to what your deciding factor was in this order. Was it publication date, time elapsed, a chronological clue.

A: XS 1
A: XS 2
A: XS 3
A: XS 4
UX2 9
UX2 10
ASM 682
ASM 683
ASM 684
ASM 685
ASM 686
ASM 687
AASS 1
AASS 8

I'm just asking to come up with better placement in the future. It looks good. Can't wait to see who you pick next.
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Re: RED HULK

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Publication order, pretty much.

AVENGERS: X-SANCTION #1-4 (February - May 2012)
UNCANNY X-MEN v2 #9-10 (May - June 2012)
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #682-687 (May - August 2012)
AVENGERS ASSEMBLE #1 & 8 (May & December 2012)
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A few Red Hulk appearances I'm not seeing here:

F.F. #16
The segment with the Red Hulk happens "one week" after FF 604.

Avengers v4 #25-FB
The issue in which Thor returns to the Avengers, and thus before his appearance with the team in ASM 682.

Thunderbolts flashbacks:
TB3 2 (3)-FB
TB3 1 (304, 7:1-7:2, 8-9, 12-13)-FB
TB3 1
TB3 2 (12-17)-FB
TB3 2
TB3 4
TB3 5 (Can now be added after TB3 4)


Also, I placed Avengers: X-Sanction before the roster shake-up in A4 19, in which Storm, Quake, and Vision joined and after which Spidey and Logan were more involved with Cage's New Avengers team.

I placed H4 53-57 before A4 31 based on publication order. (I now think there's a bit of a gap between AVX and A4 31.) And H4 53-FB should be inserted before H4 53.
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Here's what I have for Red Hulk's AVX chronology:
NA2 24 (5-17)-FB
A4 28 (3-4)-FB
NA2 24 (18)-FB
W&X 9 (14-20)
NA2 24 (1/2:1-1/2:10)
AVX 1 (32-34)
AVX 2 (1:1-2:1)
NA2 24 (3-4)
AVX 2 (2:2-5:1)
UX2 11 (9)
A4 28 (1/2:1)-FB
A4 25
AVX 2 (12:1-16:3)
W&X 10-FB
UX2 11 (10-20)
AVX 3
AVX 4 (8:1-14:3)
W&X 11 (1:1-9:1)
A4 28 (1/2:2)-FB
W&X 11 (9:2-19:1)
UX2 13 (6:3)-FB
AVX 4 (18:2-22:3)
UX2 13 (1)
AVX 5 (1:1-9:1)
AVXVS 3 (1:1-1:15)
AVX 5 (9:2-9:3)
AVXVS 3 (1:16-10)
AVX 5 (19-22)
AVXVS 6/5
A4 28
AVX 7
AVX 8
AVX 9
AVX 12 (2:1-5:2)-FB
AVX 11
A4 30
UX2 18
X 273
AVX 12
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Re: RED HULK

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Paul Bourcier wrote:Also, I placed Avengers: X-Sanction before the roster shake-up in A4 19, in which Storm, Quake, and Vision joined and after which Spidey and Logan were more involved with Cage's New Avengers team.
Good point. And that still works in publication order! :)

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