NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

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Re: NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

Post by Jason Doty » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:51 pm

The suggestion here is that Prelude happens before Fear Itself #1 when the sense of dread is creeping in. The X-Men don't know what the threat is, they're just freaked out a bit.
That's the problem, the X-Men, know the what the threat is, and that it's coming (even if we don't). The threat is imminent and they're just waiting for Cyclops to decide whether to evacuate or engage and once he does, they go into action. This isn't about some kind of looming threat or sense of dread.

Tying it an event that specifically isn't implied is making up the story. All we know is that a threat that the X-Men have not faced before is coming and going to be attacking from above and there is a good possibility that they won't survive, then they leave to fight.

And if it's not connected to something specific, I'd place this as close to Schism as possible because of the title, I don't understand the push for before Fear Itself?

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Re: NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:18 pm

Col_Fury wrote:
I wanted Cyclops to set up his Extinction Team before all of the other stuff happened. BUT, two weeks pass between pages 9-11 of UX2 1, so how about this:

UX2 1 (1-9) (Cyclops establishes his Extinction Team)
GENH 13 (Emma Frost just fine)
GENH 17 (Zero dies)
UX2 1 (10-27) (Hope's team appears, but not Zero)
UX2 2
UX2 3 (Emma loses an arm)
Any reason GENHOPE 13-17 can't happen between UX2 8 and 9? In UX2 9, Namor's concerned about Emma because her reattached arm still itches, so it may have been a while since she got the arm back. For all we know, that arm could have been itching in GENHOPE 13-17, yes?

So we'd have:
UX2 1-8 (Jan-May 2012)
GENHOPE 13-18 (Jan-May 2012)
UX2 9-10 (May-June 2012)

We also have Emma appearances in AACAD 22 (Jan 2012) and A4 24.1 (May 2012) around this time.
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Re: NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:24 pm

Col_Fury wrote:
Legacy #250-258 (Prof. X & Legion leave fro Tibet; no more Prof. X appearances until AvX)
But Xavier shows up at the Jean Grey School in W&X 1 (post-Schism, pre-AVX).
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Re: NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

Post by Jason Doty » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:35 pm

Paul wrote
But Xavier shows up at the Jean Grey School in W&X 1 (post-Schism, pre-AVX).
Good catch. That was my assumption and not Fury's, my bad.

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Re: NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

Post by Col_Fury » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:22 am

This is where we're currently sitting with Namor:

SUB-MARINER/NAMOR MACKENZIE

EXODUS (1 - 13)
[DARKX:C]
EXODUS (14 - 31)
[UX 515] (we created a break in UX 516 to accomodate Necrosha)
CA: REBORN 3
NATX: XF 1 (before Necrosha for Onyxx, before UX 518 for Emma Frost)
XFOR3 22 (Necrosha, Onyxx dies)
[DRL: X 1]
XvATLAS 1
XvATLAS 2
TORCH 3
TORCH 4
TORCH 5
UX 517
UX 519
NATX 1/3
UX 520
UX 522
NATX 4/2
NATX 4/4
BP5 9
BP5 11
BP5 12 (before WWHulks for Doom)
H2 607 (WWHulks)
H2 608
FOTH: SSH 2
FOTH: SSH 3
H2 610 (WWHulks; before Siege)
X: SECC 1 (Second Coming; after Siege)
XFOR3 26
UX 524
NM3 13
X 236
XFOR3 27
UX 525
NM3 14
XFOR3 28
X: SECC 2 (Second Coming)
NM3 20 (immediately after Second Coming)
NM3 21 (Magik does bad things)
UX 527 (shortly after Second Coming)
UX 528
UX 531 (Kitty gets bubble suit)
DOOMWAR 6 (only appears on last page; after Second Coming)
INV4 1 (after Doomwar for Cap)
INV4 2
INV4 4
INV4 5 (before Chaos War for Captain America)
X2 2 (Curse of the Mutants; after Chaos War, Magik still active)
N3 1
X2 3
N3 2
N3 3
N3 4
X2 5 (Curse of the Mutants)
N3 5
W4 5 (Wolverine Goes to Hell; shortly after Curse of the Mutants)
W4 6
W4 7
N3 6-FB (right after Wolverine Goes to Hell)
N3 6
N3 7
N3 8 (before FF 588 for Doom)
X: TS&P 1-FB
H4 27 (after X: TS&P for Cap, which is after Curse of the Mutants)
H4 28
FF 584 (after H4 27 for Cap)
FF 585
FF 586
FF 587
FF 588 (Human Torch “dies”)
A4 8 (after Human Torch “dies” for Cap)
A4 9
A4 10
A4 11
A4 12
KLAWS 4
UXFOR 9 (Magneto appears)
UX@2 3 (not covered in Cap Index, so should be after A4 12, Magneto appears)
SR: SS@ 1 (between UX 534-534.1)
N@2 1 (before N3 9)
X 245 (Age of X)
X 247
NM3 24
X 248 (immediately after Age of X)
NM3 25 (Kitty in bubble suit, Magik imprisoned)
N3 9
N3 10
N3 11 (before Fear Itself)
UX 534.1 (references Curse of the Mutants and a bunch of other stuff)
UX 535 (day after UX 534.1)
UX 538 (Kitty Pryde restored, no more bubble suit)
X:PSCHISM 1 (still talking about it)
X:PSCHISM 2
X:PSCHISM 3
X:PSCHISM 4
UX 540 (Fear Itself, Magik already imprisoned)
UX 543
FI: DEEP 1
FI: DEEP 2
FI: DEEP 3
FI: DEEP 4
HFH3 12
FI 7.1 (Fear Itself)
FI: FEARLESS 4
FI: FEARLESS 10
FI: FEARLESS 11
FI: FEARLESS 12 (shortly after Fear Itself, before Spider-Island)
X: GS 1 (after Spider-Island)
X2 12
X2 13
X2 14
X2 15 (story break between X2 15 & X2 16)
X2 16 (before Schism)
W4 16-FB (after Fear Itself & Spider-Island, before Schism)
SCHISM 1 (Schism; after W4 16)
SCHISM 2
GENH 10
SCHISM 3
SCHISM 4
SCHISM 5
X: REGENESIS 1
UX 544 (Schism)
UX2 1 (1-9) (Cyclops sets up his Extinction Team)
GENH 13 (Emma Frost active)
GENH 17 (Zero dies)
UX2 1 (10-27) (Hope’s team appears, but no Zero)
UX2 2
UX2 3 (Emma Frost loses an arm)
UX2 4
UX2 5 (Emma Frost inactive (BTS); recovering from her arm loss; UXFOR 14 referred to as “yesterday”)
UX2 6
UX2 7
UX2 8 (Emma gets her arm re-attached)
F.F. 11
FF 600 (Human Torch returns)
FF 604
UX2 9 (Emma’s arm still itches)
UX2 10 (Cap questions Cyclops’ priorities)
XCLUB 4 (Emma Frost active; Cyclops looking for good publicity)
AVX 1 (Avengers vs. X-Men)
UX2 11 (5-8)
AVX 2 (2:2-5:1)
UX2 11 (9)
AVX 2 (5:2-7:4)
AVXVS 1/2 (3-5)
A4 25
AVX 2 (12-16:3)
AVXVS 1/2 (6-10)
W&X 10-FB
AVX 3 (1-9)
UX2 12 (1-18)
AVX 4 (8-13:2)
W&X 11
UX2 12 (19-20)
AVX 4 (18-22)
AVX 5 (10)
UX2 13
AVX 5 (20-22)
W&X 16-FB
AVX 6
AVX 6-FB
AVX 7 (1-9)
UX2 15
UX2 16
UX2 17
W&X 12 (3)
A4 29 (11)
W&X 12 (16:5) ~ A4 29 (13:4)
W&X 12 (16:6-16:8)
A4 29 (14:3-20:6)
W&X 13
NA2 29
AVX 7 (10-23)
AVX 8
UX2 18-FB (Avengers vs. X-Men)
AVX: C 4
NA3 1
NA3 2
NA3 3 (now, pretty much)

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Re: NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

Post by Frans » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:48 am

Have you seen my post about Fear Itself appearances of Namor? See above.

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Re: NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

Post by Jason Doty » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:21 pm

I agree with Frans' assessment about fear itself also.

Also, that gap in UX2 1, that lasts 2 weeks, we might have to consider some things happening prior. We'll have to consider Storms team that are flying around which includes Colossus and Psylocke, with Cyclops making contact every once in awhile, and the first Arc of Astonishing X-Men after regenesis which features Cyclops traveling to the alternate Earth, rather trying to cram in everything in this gap.

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Re: NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

Post by Paul Bourcier » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:01 pm

Col_Fury wrote:
UX2 1 (10-27) (Hope’s team appears, but no Zero)
Zero is on page 10 of UX2 1 (I think we're a page off here; 28 pages in UX2 1, yes?). Anyway, it's UX2 9 in which Zero is conspicuously absent, not UX2 1. (And see above suggestion about placement of GENHOPE 13-17 between UX2 8 and 9.)
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Re: NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

Post by Somebody » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:24 am

Col_Fury wrote:Emma Forst loses an arm in UX2 1-3. UX2 4 happens shortly, within a few days, after UX2 3 (or rather, UX2 4 happens immediately after UX2 3 and a few days pass between pages of UX2 4 before the X-Men appear again). UX2 5 happens shortly after UX2 4; Emma is noted as recovering from her arm loss. Also, UX2 5 refers to UXFOR 14 as "yesterday" (UXFOR 10-35 crosses over with W&X 4; Psylocke appears in UXFOR 10-35 and UX2 5-8). Sometime later in UX2 9 Emma already has her arm back, but it still itches. In UX2 10, Captain America questions Cyclops' priorities.
I wondered about this when I first read it - it seems like the Extinction team appears here out-of-sequence:

1) New-Sinister appears directly after UX2 3 (the previous issue)
2) There's a long gap after the New-Sinister scene while the Phalanx rebuilds itself
3) The Extinction Team show up with Psylocke in place of Frost. The scene where she's asked to fill in is **at the start of the next arc and in response to the appearance of Tabula Rasa**. And that arc ends with Frost's arm still in the process of being reattached.

I suspect the order goes:

UX2 1-3 [Sinisters arc]
UX2 4 (4) [Sinister disposes of lab]
UX2 5-8 [Tabula Rasa arc] ~ UX2 4 (5) [Phalanx rebuilds itself]
UX2 4 (6-20) [Extinction Team destroy Phalanx]

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Re: NAMOR, the SUB-MARINER!

Post by Jason Doty » Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:23 am

X-Club was part of the Regenessis brand and should either come before UX2 1 or between your gap depending upon the time frame, unless it can't. This also keeps it closer to publication date.

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