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Thanos early chronology

Post by PunyBanner » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:28 am

I just read the Avengers Vs. Thanos TPB and I'm very confused by the MCP's placement of certain issues. Why is DD 105 placed before IM 55? Thanos only appears in a flashback and DD 105-107 clearly takes place after CM 29 (which is referenced in DD 107 and these three issues are placed after Marvel Feature 12 in the TPB).
Also, Logan's Run 6/2 needs to be moved after CM 32 because this is the issue where Drax learns about the car accident which killed his wife and it is referenced in the Logan's Run back-up. The TPB places it after Warlock 15.

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Re: Thanos early chronology

Post by Leoparis » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:48 pm

I looked at it in the bookstore and I don't remember what you say.
Per Amazon, DD 105 starts on page 166, well after IM 55, which is the first issue of the collection.
I guess Logan's run is placed where it is because it was published after Warlock 15.

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Re: Thanos early chronology

Post by Col_Fury » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:46 pm

Here's what the MCP currently has:

THANOS [ETERNAL]
A:CQ 5-FB
DD 105-FB
CM 29-FB
M/HOL 1992/6-FB
DD 105 (November 1973)
A 118 (December 1973)
{IM 55-FB-FB}
IM 55 (February 1973)
DD 107-BTS (January 1974)
LR 6/2 (June 1977)

WIW 10-FB
CM 25 (March 1973)
CM 26 (May 1973)
CM 27 (July 1973)
CM 28 (September 1973)
CM 29 (November 1973)
CM 30
M/FEA 12 (November 1973)
CM 30 (January 1974)
CM 31 (March 1974)
CM 32 (May 1974)
A 125 (July 1974)
CM 32
CM 33 (July 1974)
A 125
CM 33

A@ 7-FB
WLOCK 9 (October 1975)
WLOCK 10 (December 1975)
WLOCK 11 (February 1976)
WLOCK 15 (November 1976)
A@ 7 (1977)
M/TIO@ 2 (1977)

M/GN 1


Here's the order in the Avengers vs. Thanos TPB:

THANOS [ETERNAL]

IM 55 (February 1973)
CM 25 (March 1973)
CM 26 (May 1973)
CM 27 (July 1973)
CM 28 (September 1973)
CM 29 (November 1973)
CM 30 (January 1974)
CM 31 (March 1974)
CM 32 (May 1974)
CM 33 (July 1974)
M/FEA 12 (November 1973)
DD 105 (November 1973)
DD 106 (December 1973)
DD 107 (January 1974)
A 125 (July 1974)
WLOCK 9 (October 1975)
WLOCK 10 (December 1975)
WLOCK 11 (February 1976)
WLOCK 15 (November 1976)
A@ 7 (1977)
M/TIO@ 2 (1977)
LR 6/2 (June 1977)



So obviously, the TPB has arranged things in publication order, by series (all the Captain Marvels first, then the Daredevils, despite DD 105-107 being published between CM 29-30, etc).

A 118 is part of the Avengers/Defenders War, which happens before IM 55 for Iron Man (IM 55-56, CM 27-30 & M/FEA 12 all happen between pages of A 119 for Iron Man). That explains why A 118 (December 1973) happens before IM 55 (February 1973).

A 125 recaps CM 27-32 and intersects with CM 32-33.

For Iron Man, IM 57-67, PM 17, A 120, CA 171 & A 121-125 all happen between CM 30-31. So there's some time passing between CM 30-31. Looking at Captain Marvel's chronology… HEY! M/TU 16-17 & DD 107 happen between CM 30-31 for Captain Marvel.

So if Captain Marvel has DD 107 between CM 30-31, why does Thanos have DD 107-BTS before CM 25? How is Thanos BTS in DD 107? What happens in DD 105-107? Is DD 105-107 a continuous story? Does Thanos appear outside of the flashback in DD 105? Should DD 105 be moved to just before DD 107 in Thanos' chronology? At least, it looks like we should move DD 107-BTS to after CM 30 to match Captain Marvel's chronology (depending on how Thanos is BTS in DD 107).

I don't have Logan's Run #6, but PunyBanner says it references CM 32. In theory, that means it should happen AT LEAST after CM 33. It can't happen after A@ 7-M/TIO@ 2, but what about before? Does WLOCK 15 continue into A@ 7? (I don't have WLOCK 9-15 either) Also, why do we have it placed so early now?
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Re: Thanos early chronology

Post by Michael » Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:11 pm

Col_Fury wrote:So if Captain Marvel has DD 107 between CM 30-31, why does Thanos have DD 107-BTS before CM 25? How is Thanos BTS in DD 107? What happens in DD 105-107? Is DD 105-107 a continuous story? Does Thanos appear outside of the flashback in DD 105? Should DD 105 be moved to just before DD 107 in Thanos' chronology? At least, it looks like we should move DD 107-BTS to after CM 30 to match Captain Marvel's chronology (depending on how Thanos is BTS in DD 107).
Fnord12 summarized DD 104-107 here:
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronoco ... 5107.shtml

As you can see, it's a continuous story and takes place after Mar-Vell's transformation in CM 29. CM 31 takes place after DD 104-DD107, since Mar-Vell references Moondragon's mistakes in DD 104-DD107.
Col_Fury wrote:I don't have Logan's Run #6, but PunyBanner says it references CM 32. In theory, that means it should happen AT LEAST after CM 33. It can't happen after A@ 7-M/TIO@ 2, but what about before? Does WLOCK 15 continue into A@ 7? (I don't have WLOCK 9-15 either) Also, why do we have it placed so early now?
No, WLOCK 15 doesn't continue directly into A@7. There's a gap in which Warlock makes a guest appearance in Marvel Team-Up,attacks the High Evolutionary and then is warned by Lord Chaos and Master Order of Thanos's treachery and Gamora escapes from Drax, discovers Thanos is evil and is mortally wounded by him.

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Re: Thanos early chronology

Post by Col_Fury » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:15 pm

Thanks!

So Thanos only appears in flashback in DD 105, then?

It's really looking like DD 107-BTS should be moved in Thanos' chronology to between CM 30-31.

If LR 6/2 references CM 32, why do we have it placed so early? Publication order would suggest after WLOCK 15 and before A@ 7 (and after WLOCK 15 for Drax).
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Re: Thanos early chronology

Post by metaldragon » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:43 am

You might want to cross reference against Captain Marvel, Moondragon, Drax and Gamora's chronologies to make sure their appearances line up.
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Re: Thanos early chronology

Post by PunyBanner » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:16 pm

Here's the order in the Avengers vs. Thanos TPB:

THANOS [ETERNAL]

IM 55 (February 1973)
CM 25 (March 1973)
CM 26 (May 1973)
CM 27 (July 1973)
CM 28 (September 1973)
CM 29 (November 1973)
CM 30 (January 1974)
CM 31 (March 1974)
CM 32 (May 1974)
CM 33 (July 1974)
M/FEA 12 (November 1973)
DD 105 (November 1973)
DD 106 (December 1973)
DD 107 (January 1974)
A 125 (July 1974)
WLOCK 9 (October 1975)
WLOCK 10 (December 1975)
WLOCK 11 (February 1976)
WLOCK 15 (November 1976)
A@ 7 (1977)
M/TIO@ 2 (1977)
LR 6/2 (June 1977)



So obviously, the TPB has arranged things in publication order, by series (all the Captain Marvels first, then the Daredevils, despite DD 105-107 being published between CM 29-30, etc).


Actually, you are wrong. I have the TPB in my hands right now and the reading order is:

IM 55
CM 25-30
M/FEA 12
DD 105-107
CM 31-32
A 125
CM 33
WLOCK 9-11
WLOCK 15
LR 6/2
A@ 7
M/TIO@ 2

After reading the whole TPB, it seems like the proper reading order.

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Re: Thanos early chronology

Post by JephYork » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:25 pm

Oh snap. Looks like Col. Fury took the TPB's issue order from the solicit blurb!

Protip: don't do that, Fury. ;) I wrote that blurb, and we group the contents together by title in those things. It's a lot easier to say "collects Captain Marvel #25-33, Marvel Feature #12, Daredevil #105-107 & Avengers #125" than it is to say "collects Captain Marvel #25-30, Marvel Feature #12, Daredevil #105-107, Captain Marvel #31-32, Avengers #125 & Captain Marvel #33"...

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