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Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:15 pm

Thanks to a prompt from LordZorn, here's my proposal for the inclusion of Marvels: Eye of the Camera, not including Phil Sheldon, his family, or other characters who primarily appear in this series (and Marvels).


ANGEL
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XF 1
MARVELS:EYE 5 (5-6)
XF 2
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ANT-MAN/GIANT-MAN/YELLOWJACKET
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TTA 36
MARVELS:EYE 1 (9/10:4)
TTA 37
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A 140 (1-17:4)
MARVELS:EYE 3 (10-12)
A 140 (17:5-18)
...

BANCROFT, LES [ADD TO MCP]
A 98
MARVELS:EYE 3 (1-6)-BTS

BEAST
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A 140 (1-17:4)
MARVELS:EYE 3 (10-12)
A 140 (17:5-18)
...
XF 1
MARVELS:EYE 5 (5-6)
DAZZ 42
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BLACK KNIGHT V
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A 266
MARVELS:EYE 4 (14-19)
NM 40
...
XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...

CAPTAIN AMERICA
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CA 173 (1-4:3)
MARVELS:EYE 2 (9:3)-FB
CA 173 (4:4-19:7)
...
A 266
MARVELS:EYE 4 (14-19)
V&SW2 7
...
XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...

CAPTAIN MARVEL II
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A 266
MARVELS:EYE 4 (14-19)
NM 40
...
XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)-BTS
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...

COLOSSUS III
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UX 227 (1-4)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (1-10:4)
UX 227 (5-18)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (12:4-12:5)-FB
UX 227 (19-23)
...

COOPER, DR. VALERIE
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AWC 84 (13:6)-FB
MARVELS:EYE 5 (18-22)
CA 332-BTS
...

CYCLOPS
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CA 173 (1-4:3)
MARVELS:EYE 2 (9:3)-FB
CA 173 (4:4-19:7)
...
XF 1 (17-42)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (5-6)
C 7-FB
XF 2
...
XF 26 (1-4)
NM 61
XF 26 (5-16)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (11:3)-FB
XF 26 (17-21)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (10:5-17:5)
XF 26 (22)
...

DAZZLER II
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XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...

DOCTOR DOOM
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FF 59
SILVER SURFER: LOFTIER THAN MORTALS 2 (1-6)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (6:2)-FB
FF 60
...

DOCTOR DRUID
...
XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...

FALCON II
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CA 173 (1-4:3)
MARVELS:EYE 2 (9:3)-FB
CA 173 (4:4-19:7)
...

FURY, NICK
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CA 173 (1-4:3)
MARVELS:EYE 2 (9:3)-FB
CA 173 (4:4-19:7)
...

GOBLIN QUEEN
...
UX 227 (1-18)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (12:4-12:5)-FB
UX 227 (19-23)
...

HARDESTY, MARTHA
MARVELS 4
MARVELS:EYE 3 (1-6)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (8-10)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (1-10:4)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)

HAVOK
...
XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...
UX 227 (1-18)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (12:4-12:5)-FB
UX 227 (19-23)
...

HAWKEYE
...
DEF 11
MARVELS:EYE 2 (1-11)
M/TU 22
...

HELLSTORM
in MARVELS:EYE 2 (15:3) sometime between M/SPT 13 and GSDEF 2

HITMAN
...
ASM 175 (1-16:4)
MARVELS:EYE 3 (19:3)
ASM 175 (16:5-16:7)
MARVELS:EYE 3 (20:2)
ASM 175 (17)
...

HUMAN TORCH II
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FF 1 (1-25:2)
MARVELS:EYE 1 (6:4)-FB-BTS
FF 1 (25:3-25:7)
MARVELS:EYE 1 (6:5-8)-FB
FF 2
...
ST 103
MARVELS:EYE 1 (9/10:8-11:1)-BTS
HT 1 (1-7)
FF 9
MARVELS:EYE 1 (16-18)
FF@ 1/2 (1:1)
...

ICEMAN
...
XF 1
MARVELS:EYE 5 (5-6)
XF 2
...

INVISIBLE WOMAN
...
FF 1
MARVELS:EYE 1 (6:5-8)-FB
TM/U 1-FB
FF 2
...
FF 8
MARVELS:EYE 1 (9/10:6-9/10:7)
FF 9
...
ASM 266
MARVELS:EYE 4 (14-19)
FF 289
...

JAMESON, J. JONAH JR.
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ASM 140-FB
MARVELS:EYE 1 (6:5-8)-FB
UTSM 12-FB
...
{ASM 1}
MARVELS:EYE 1 (12:6-15)-BTS
ASM 2
...
GSSH 1
MARVELS:EYE 2 (16-22)
ASM 134
...
ASM 175 (1-16:4)
MARVELS:EYE 3 (19:3)
ASM 175 (16:5-17:5)
...
ASM 282
MARVELS:EYE 5 (8-10)-BTS
WOSM 21-FB
...
PPTSS 142
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)
H2 346
...

LEEDS, BETTY BRANT
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WOSM 43
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)
WOSM 44-BTS
...

LONGSHOT
...
UX 227 (1-18)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (12:4-12:5)-FB
UX 227 (19-23)
...

MARVEL GIRL
...
CA 173 (1-4:3)
MARVELS:EYE 2 (9:3)-FB
CA 173 (4:4-19:7)
...
XF 1
MARVELS:EYE 5 (5-6)
XF 2
...
XF 26 (1-4)
NM 61
XF 26 (5-16)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (11:3)-FB
XF 26 (17-21)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (10:5-17:5)
XF 26 (22)
...

MOLECULE MAN
...
A 266
MARVELS:EYE 4 (14-19)
FF 318
...

MR. FANTASTIC
...
FF 1
MARVELS:EYE 1 (6:5-8)-FB
FF 2
...
A 266
MARVELS:EYE 4 (14-19)
FF 289
...

PROFESSOR X
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FF@ 3
UX 14 (4-7)
UX 14 (8:1) ~ MARVELS:EYE 6 (5:1)-FB
UX 14 (8:2-20)
UX 15
...
CA 173 (1-4:3)
MARVELS:EYE 2 (9:3)-FB
CA 173 (4:4-19:7)
...

PSYLOCKE
...
UX 227 (1-4)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (1-10:4)
UX 227 (5-23)
...

PUNISHER
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{ASM 129}
COH 1 (15)-BTS
MARVELS:EYE 2 (16-22)
ASM 134
...
ASM 175 (1-16:4)
MARVELS:EYE 3 (19:3)
ASM 175 (16:5-17:5)
...
PUN 5
MARVELS:EYE 4 (11:1-11:3)
ASM 284
...

REUTHER, SAM
CA 184
MARVELS:EYE 3 (1-6)
A 138
A 150
A 151
A 152

ROBERTSON, JOE
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GSSH 1
MARVELS:EYE 2 (16-22)
ASM 134
...
ASM 281
PPTSS 119
ASM 282
MARVELS:EYE 5 (8-10)
WOSM 21-FB
...
PPTSS 142
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)
ASM 309
...

ROGUE
...
XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...
UX 227 (1-4)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (1-10:4)
UX 227 (5-18)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (12:4-12:5)-FB
UX 227 (19-23)
...

SCARLET WITCH
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A 140 (1-17:4)
MARVELS:EYE 3 (10-12)
A 140 (17:5-18)
...

SCHWED, BENNETT
MARVELS 2
MARVELS 4
MARVELS:EYE 4 (1-2:3)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)

SHIP
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XF 26 (1-21)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (10:5-17:5)
XF 26 (22)
...

SILVER SURFER
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A 266
MARVELS:EYE 4 (14-19)
SS3 1
...

SIMON, FELIX
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AT 24
MARVELS:EYE 3 (1-60)-BTS
H2 244
...

SPIDER-MAN
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M/TU 22
MARVELS:EYE 2 (16-22)
GSS-M 1 (1-7)
...
ASM 175 (1-16:4)
MARVELS:EYE 3 (19:3)
ASM 175 (16:5-17:5)
...
WOSM 43
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)
H2 346
...

STORM
...
XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...
UX 227 (1-18)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (12:4-12:5)-FB
UX 227 (19-23)
...

SUB-MARINER
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A 266
MARVELS:EYE 4 (14-19)
V&SW2 7
...

THING II
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FF 1
MARVELS:EYE 1 (6:5-8)-FB
FF 2
...
FF 8
MARVELS:EYE 1 (9/10:6-9/10:7)
FF 9 (1:1-23:6)
MARVELS:EYE 1 (14:3-14:4)-FB
FF 9 (23:7)
...

THOR
...
JIM 84
MARVELS:EYE 1 (9/10:1)
JIM 85
...
A 280 (17:4)-FB
MARVELS:EYE 2 (15:1)
CA 176
...
A 140 (1-17:4)
MARVELS:EYE 3 (10-12)
A 140 (17:5-18)
...
XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...

URICH, BEN
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DD 342-FB
MARVELS:EYE #1 (6:5-15)
UTSM 4
...
{DD 153}
MARVELS:EYE 3 (18-21)
DD 159
...
ASM@ 15
MARVELS:EYE 4 (3:4-5:5)
DD 179
DD 180
MARVELS:EYE 4 (7:1-8:2)
MARVELS:EYE 4 (9:1-9:4)
DD 183
...
WOSM 43
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)
ASM@ 22
...

VISION
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A 140 (1-17:4)
MARVELS:EYE 3 (10-12)
A 140 (17:5-18)
...

WASP
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A 266
MARVELS:EYE 4 (14-19)
NM 40
...

WATSON, MARY JANE
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GSSH 1
MARVELS:EYE 2 (16-22)
ASM 134
...

WOLVERINE
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XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)
XVSA 4 (17:3)-FB
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...
UX 227 (1-4)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (1-10:4)
UX 227 (5-18)
MARVELS:EYE 6 (12:4-12:5)-FB
UX 227 (19-23)
...
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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Michael » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:00 am

Paul Bourcier wrote:URICH, BEN
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DD 342-FB
MARVELS:EYE #1 (6:5-15)
UTSM 4
...
{DD 153}
MARVELS:EYE 3 (18-21)
DD 159
...
ASM@ 15
MARVELS:EYE 4 (3:4-5:5)
DD 179
DD 180
MARVELS:EYE 4 (7:1-8:2)
MARVELS:EYE 4 (9:1-9:4)
DD 183
...
WOSM 43
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)
ASM@ 22
...
Urich's appearance in pages 18-22 take place circa Fall of the Mutants. Are we sure that pushing WOSM 43 and PPTSS 139-142 back that far doesn't cause any problems?
Paul Bourcier wrote:WOLVERINE
...
XVSA 4 (1-16)
MARVELS:EYE 5 (15:2-17:5)
XVSA 4 (17:3)-FB
XVSA 4 (17-28)
...
UX 227
MARVELS:EYE 6 (1-10:4)
UX 229
...
The X-Men's appearances in Eye of the Camera should go between pages of UX 227- remember, the last pages of UX 227 take place after the X-Men are believed to be dead.

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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Paul Bourcier » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:34 am

Michael wrote:
Urich's appearance in pages 18-22 take place circa Fall of the Mutants. Are we sure that pushing WOSM 43 and PPTSS 139-142 back that far doesn't cause any problems?
Spider-Man's chronology goes:
WOSM 43
H2 346
IM 234
ASM@ 22

With all of Spidey's appearances, I'd imagine that WOSM 43 occurs fairly shortly before ASM@ 22, which leads into UX@ 12 as part of the Evolutionary War crossover. UX@ 12 takes place after Fall of the Mutants -- after UX 234. Pages 18-22 of MARVELS:EYE 6 occur the same day as FF 312 and XF 26, which are after Fall of the Mutants. At first glance, I don't see a problem here, but if anyone sees a glitch, let us know.
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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Michael » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:55 am

Paul Bourcier wrote: Spider-Man's chronology goes:
WOSM 43
H2 346
IM 234
ASM@ 22

With all of Spidey's appearances, I'd imagine that WOSM 43 occurs fairly shortly before ASM@ 22, which leads into UX@ 12 as part of the Evolutionary War crossover. UX@ 12 takes place after Fall of the Mutants -- after UX 234. Pages 18-22 of MARVELS:EYE 6 occur the same day as FF 312 and XF 26, which are after Fall of the Mutants. At first glance, I don't see a problem here, but if anyone sees a glitch, let us know.
My point was that XF 26 takes place before Scott learns of the X-Men's "deaths" during Fall of the Mutants, so it probably takes place the day after Fall of the Mutants. And as you said, pages 18-22 occur the same day as XF 26. I'm not sure if this is a problem.

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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Michael » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:46 pm

OK, I did some more reasearch. Now I'm sure that it's a problem. We have WOSM 43 placed long after ASM 300. Ben's appearance in ASM 300 is placed after FF 317. That's long after FF 312. And Druid's appearance in WOSM 42 is placed after XF@3- long after XF 26. Urich's appearance needs to be moved back before WOSM 43 but I'm not sure how far back.

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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:22 pm

Michael wrote:
OK, I did some more reasearch. Now I'm sure that it's a problem. We have WOSM 43 placed long after ASM 300. Ben's appearance in ASM 300 is placed after FF 317. That's long after FF 312. And Druid's appearance in WOSM 42 is placed after XF@3- long after XF 26. Urich's appearance needs to be moved back before WOSM 43 but I'm not sure how far back.
Thanks for pointing this out, Michael. We do have a problem, but it's bigger than my attempt to place a scene from MARVELS:EYE 6.

The Spider-Man Index places the following issues after ASM 304:
WOSM 43
H2 346
IM 234

According to the Iron Man Index, IM 234 occurs before XF 32.

According to the Avengers Index, XF 32 occurs before FF 316.

According to Thing's MCP chronology, FF 316-317 occur before FF@ 21.

According to the Spider-Man Index, FF@ 21 occurs before ASM 300.

So WOSM 43, H2 346, and IM 234 all occur both before ASM 300 and after ASM 304!!
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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:02 pm

Michael wrote:
The X-Men's appearances in Eye of the Camera should go between pages of UX 227- remember, the last pages of UX 227 take place after the X-Men are believed to be dead.
True that. I updated the list to reflect more accurately the two X-Men scenes from issue #6 that tie into UX 227.
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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Michael » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:55 am

Paul Bourcier wrote: Thanks for pointing this out, Michael. We do have a problem, but it's bigger than my attempt to place a scene from MARVELS:EYE 6.

The Spider-Man Index places the following issues after ASM 304:
WOSM 43
H2 346
IM 234

According to the Iron Man Index, IM 234 occurs before XF 32.

According to the Avengers Index, XF 32 occurs before FF 316.

According to Thing's MCP chronology, FF 316-317 occur before FF@ 21.

According to the Spider-Man Index, FF@ 21 occurs before ASM 300.

So WOSM 43, H2 346, and IM 234 all occur both before ASM 300 and after ASM 304!!
The problem is with the placement of FF@ 21:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6291
FF@21 explicitly references ASM@ 22. Since Peter is wearing the red and blues in ASM@ 22, it has to take place after ASM 300. So FF@ 21 has to be moved after ASM 300.

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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:15 am

What I think you're saying is that the Spider-Man Index is incorrect in noting that the Thing appears in FF@ 21 before ASM 300. The sequence of WOSM 43 > H2 346 > IM 234 > XF 32 > FF 316-317 > FF@ 21 is correct, but all these issues must occur after ASM 300.

The solution, then, would be to move ASM 300 to a spot earlier in the Thing's chronology. If I recall correctly, FF 316-317 lead directly into FF@ 21, so ASM 300 would be sometime before FF 316 -- perhaps before FF 313, since I think FF 316 occurs the day after FF 315 and there's no break in FF 313-315.

The big question is: does ASM 300 go before or after FF 312? (We're still trying to place Fall of the Mutants/MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)/FF 312 relative to Spidey stories.) ASM 300 was published in May 1988; FF 312 in Mar 1988. I'm inclined to place FF 312 before ASM 300.

It looks like that scene in EYE 6 is going to have to occur sometime in Spidey's chronology between PP 33 and ASM 300. It can't be before PP 33 since:
PP 33-PP 35 > CA 339 > XF 26 (Fall of the Mutants)
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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Michael » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:09 am

The scene in ASM 300 has to take place after the end of FF 310, since Ben is in his spike form in ASM 300. There really isn't a good spot for a gap in FF 310- 312, so yeah, FF 312 should go before ASM 300.

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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:19 pm

Yes, FF 312 should go before ASM 300, since:
1) FF 312 happens at the same time as Fall of the Mutants
2) The MCP has the following sequence -- UX 224 (Fall of the Mutants) > CA 344 > ASM 300

Also, Fall of the Mutants has to occur after PPTSS 133, since the MCP has this sequence:
PPTSS 133 > DD 251-252 > PP 35 > CA 339 > XF 26 (Fall of the Mutants)

So now we've narrowed down the area in which Fall of the Mutants -- and thus MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22) -- can occur...somewhere in this range of Spidey's chronology (issues grouped by story arcs):

PPTSS 133
WOSM 34
ASM 296-297
WOSM 35-36
WOSM 36
PPTSS 134-136
WOSM 37
PPTSS 137
WOSM 38
ASM 298-300

First, Fall should be before ASM 298. Second, WOSM 35-PPTSS 137 should be bundled as a group, since I believe PPTSS 137 is supposed to occur a couple of days after WOSM 36 (we have enough content between those two issues -- nearly two weeks worth).

So we're talking about either before WOSM 35 (Feb 1988) or after PPTSS 137 (Apr 1988). The issues of Fall of the Mutants were published in Jan-Mar 1988, and FF 312 has a Mar 1988 date, so I'm inclined to put Fall before WOSM 35. ASM 296-297 were published in Jan-Feb 1988, so I'm inclined to put Fall and its March wrap-up after ASM 297.

Thus, Peter Parker would appear in MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22) between ASM 297 and WOSM 35. And here's how it looks for other characters:

J. JONAH JAMESON
...
WOSM 33
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)
PPTSS 137
...

BETTY BRANT LEEDS
...
SM:PL
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)
WOSM 38
...

JOE ROBERTSON
...
ASM 297
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)
WOSM 36
...

BEN URICH
...
PPTSS 133
MARVELS:EYE 6 (18-22)
PPTSS 137
...
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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by metaldragon » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:26 am

FF 312 is the conclusion of the Fall of the Mutants storyline. It continues on directly from the end of XF 26 where X-Factor is lauded as heroes and the city holds a ticker tape parade celebrating their work saving civilians in the aftermath of Apocalypse's destruction of New York City. Thing (and Ms. Marvel) were only just recently mutated and Thing has acquired a spiky look. The FF, along with Black Panther, are babysitting Dr. Doom.

Fall of the Mutants crossover: UX 224-227, XF 25, PP 35, DD 252, CA 339 and XF 26 (up to pg 16) all take place during the same night. (UX 226 mentions the events of XF 26 are occurring at the same time.) XF pg 17-21 take place the next morning (dawn) and we see Madelyne's recorded plea to Scott to find their baby (from UX 227) on a tv in XF 26 pg 19, as newscast of what happened that night in Dallas with the X-Men. XF 26 pg 22-end takes place "Some time later..." (that afternoon? Possibly the next day? They were exhausted and needed sleep) and X-Factor appears in FF 312 right after the last page of XF 26 (the ticker tape parade continues).

XF @ 3 (Evolution War crossover pt 1) takes place between XF 29 (Ship's consciousness is freed & Ship is hovering just offshore of Manhattan Island) & 30 (Infectia comes on board and infects Beast, putting him into a coma which lasts until he turns blue & furry again [just before A@ 17- Evolution War crossover conclusion part 11/Inferno crossover]). Doctor Druid's appearance there must take place before A 291-294 (the Marina becomes Leviathan story arc) because...

XF 32 has a live broadcast of a reporter interviewing Dr. Druid outside New York Hospital about just becoming the new leader of the Avengers (between A 294-295) on a tv monitor at that very moment X-Factor are being attacked by shape shifting aliens impersonating the Avengers. At the beginning of the issue, Tony Stark is shown alongside the Avengers dedicating the site of the destroyed Avengers Mansion to the City of New York as a park and Thor is questioned by reporters about the "recent defeat of the Leviathan". The aliens shake hands with the Avengers (Thor, Black Knight, She-Hulk & Dr. Druid) in order to acquire "templates" of them.
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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:31 am

Metaldragon, it looks like you're making a suggestion unrelated to Eye of the Camera...namely, that XF 32 be moved in the chronologies of several Avengers.

I think I noticed what you did some time ago, as evidenced by some old notes I have:
XF 32 must be before A 291, so Thor must make this appearance with the Avengers between the time Cap leaves and Thor discovers Cap's plight in T 390 -- since Thor's knowledge of the Captain is news in T 390 and the other Avengers learn about him in A 289, then this story must occur before the Avengers know enough about Cap to tell Thor, and thus must be before A 288; apparently Thor makes an appearance with the Avengers here before his adventure in T 385-390 -- this is confirmed by the fact that Tony Stark is with the Avengers and there are no apparent conflicts here, indicating that this story occurs before Cap told Thor of the Armor Wars in T 390; because XF 32 must then take place before A 288, the TV report that Druid was elected chairman of the Avengers must be topical, as this does not occur until A 294.

My memory of these notes is pretty dim, but I toss it out there for discussion.
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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by metaldragon » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:33 pm

Actually, I'm not suggesting any change for XF 32 because XF 32 is currently between A 294 & 295 in Thor's chronology on here (with 2 other guest appearances he has in NFV.S 2 and FF 316-BTS), Black Knight's & She-Hulk's are identical and Dr. Druid appears in: (A 294, CA 343-BTS, CA 344-BTS, NFV.S 2, WOSM 42, WCA2 39-BTS, XF 32, FF 316-BTS, A 295) so I'm not sure what you're talking about. There is no other spot it can go because it explicitly references Dr. Druid has just become leader of the Avengers in the dialogue as a plot point.

I was giving a timeframe/context to the previous posts in this thread. My first 2 paragraphs clarified how much time there was during and after Fall of the Mutants and how UX 227 falls in relation to XF 26 & FF 312 (as well as the other books affected by the Fall of the Mutants) which Michael & you were discussing.

My 3rd paragraph refers to to where the Evolutionary War crossover takes place in relation to the Fall of the Mutants (which Michael was examining) for X-Factor. Since XF@ 3 is the beginning of the crossover, the other Annuals (specifically, ASM@ 22 & FF@ 21) must take place after Dr. Druid, Psylocke and the other psychics make their appearances in XF@ 3.

Then you mentioned XF 32 in relation to FF@ 21 in the larger context. I detailed what happens in XF 32, in my last paragraph, to clarify why it is placed where it currently is placed in the Avengers' chronologies. I don't know what happens in Tony Stark's chronology at that point but I seem to remember someone creating a thread which suggested XF 32 should be in a different spot for him because he was estranged with the Avengers or something where it is currently placed. Since XF 32 specifically mentions Dr. Druid just being made leader and the Leviathan storyline as having just happened, I simply clarified why it's placed where it currently is.

Addendum: I just checked the Avengers Official Index to the Marvel Universe and it has the same placement for XF 32 as I and this very website have placed it- in the gap between A 294 & 295.
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Re: Marvels: Eye of the Camera

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:08 pm

metaldragon wrote:
I was giving a timeframe/context to the previous posts in this thread. My first 2 paragraphs clarified how much time there was during and after Fall of the Mutants and how UX 227 falls in relation to XF 26 & FF 312 (as well as the other books affected by the Fall of the Mutants) which Michael & you were discussing.
Yup, FF 312 and Fall of the Mutants are in the same time frame; that was established earlier.

metaldragon wrote:
My 3rd paragraph refers to to where the Evolutionary War crossover takes place in relation to the Fall of the Mutants (which Michael was examining) for X-Factor. Since XF@ 3 is the beginning of the crossover, the other Annuals (specifically, ASM@ 22 & FF@ 21) must take place after Dr. Druid, Psylocke and the other psychics make their appearances in XF@ 3.
Yup, you're confirming that Evolutionary War takes place after Fall of the Mutants, yes?

metaldragon wrote:
Then you mentioned XF 32 in relation to FF@ 21 in the larger context. I detailed what happens in XF 32, in my last paragraph, to clarify why it is placed where it currently is placed in the Avengers' chronologies.
Okay...and this helps us with Eye of the Camera somehow?
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