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Post-Regenesis

Post by Emerald_616 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:46 pm

So it's been more than three months since I initially posted about reading the ReGenesis titles, but I finally have a skeleton of some of the order. In the next post, I'll also post my reasoning for why most of X-Factor takes place after AvX. This is not a be-all end-all listing, please feel free to puzzle out and explain where things should go. I just tried to create a few definite points of time to fit the other stories in between.

EDIT: I decided to make the first post into a master list, so I moved the original content down to the next post.


Goodbye, Chinatown
Wolverine (v4) #17
Wolverine (v4) #18
Wolverine (v4) #19


X-Factor #230


Uncanny X-Men (v2) #1 (1-9)


Blink...And You Miss Her
New Mutants #33
New Mutants #34
New Mutants #35
New Mutants #36

Exalted
Astonishing X-Men #44
Astonishing X-Men #45
Astonishing X-Men #46
Astonishing X-Men #47

Everything Is Sinister
Uncanny X-Men (v2) #1 (10-20)
Uncanny X-Men (v2) #2
Uncanny X-Men (v2) #3


X-Club #1
X-Club #2
X-Club #3
X-Club #4
X-Club #5


Misadventures in Babysitting
X-23 #17
X-23 #18
X-23 #19
X-23 #20

[Venom: Circle of Four]
X-23 #21

Welcome to the X-Men! Now Die!!
Wolverine and the X-Men #1
Wolverine and the X-Men #2
Wolverine and the X-Men #3

X-Men (v3) #20-27/X-Men Legacy #260.1-263/New Mutants (v3) #37-43/Magneto: Not a Hero #1-4/W&TX:Alpha and Omega #1-5/Wolverine (v4) #20, (v2) #300-304

The Dark Angel Saga
Uncanny X-Force #10
Uncanny X-Force #11
Uncanny X-Force #12
Uncanny X-Force #13
Uncanny X-Force #14
Uncanny X-Force #15
Uncanny X-Force #16
Uncanny X-Force #17
Uncanny X-Force #18

Tabula Rasa
Uncanny X-Men (v2) #5
Uncanny X-Men (v2) #6
Uncanny X-Men (v2) #7
Uncanny X-Men (v2) #8
Uncanny X-Men (v2) #4


Uncanny X-Force #19

Wolverine and the X-Men #4


Otherworld
Uncanny X-Force #20
Uncanny X-Force #21
Uncanny X-Force #22
Uncanny X-Force #23


X-Men Legacy #264
X-Men Legacy #265

Mutatis Mutandis
Wolverine and the X-Men #5
Wolverine and the X-Men #6
Wolverine and the X-Men #7
Wolverine and the X-Men #8

Final Execution
Uncanny X-Force #24
Uncanny X-Force #25
Uncanny X-Force #26
Uncanny X-Force #27
Uncanny X-Force #28
Uncanny X-Force #29
Uncanny X-Force #30
Uncanny X-Force #31
Uncanny X-Force #32
Uncanny X-Force #33
Uncanny X-Force #34
Uncanny X-Force #35

The End of a Generation
Generation Hope #13
Generation Hope #14
Generation Hope #15
Generation Hope #16
Generation Hope #17

X-Men (v3) #28-29/Avengers:X-Sanction #1-4/New Mutants (v3) #44-49/Astonishing X-Men (v3) #48-56 + Annual/Wolverine (v2) #305-317

Blank Generation
X-Men (v3) #30
X-Men (v3) #31
X-Men (v3) #32
X-Men (v3) #33
X-Men (v3) #34
X-Men (v3) #35

Reckless Abandonment
X-Men (v3) #36
X-Men (v3) #37
X-Men (v3) #38
X-Men (v3) #39

The X-Men vs. UNIT
Uncanny X-Men (v2) #9
Uncanny X-Men (v2) #10
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Re: Hashing out X-Men post utopa-pre regenesis (now expanded

Post by Emerald_616 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:23 pm

Wolverine #17-19 -Wolverine first goes back to Westchester right after Schism

X-Factor #230 - as Wolverine takes flights of people and from California/Utopia, he takes Polaris and Havok to X-Factor Investigations

Uncanny X-Men #1 (1-9) -Sinister comes to the Dreaming Celestian and Scott gives his speech to the Extinction Team shortly after the last flight to Westchester leaves.

Astonishing X-Men #44-47 -happens shortly after the others have left for Westchester and helps Scott deal with the Schism, likely during the "Week One" of no activity for the Extinction Team in UX2 #1

New Mutants #33-36 -as seen in UX2 #1, Dani's team is dispatched during this "Week One" to find Blink

Uncanny X-Men #1(10-22)-3 -Sinister enacts his plan
X-23 #17-21
Wolverine & the X-Men #1-3 -via flashbacks, it is shown the school was built an opened in "Week Two" since the final flight from Utopia to Westchester. It seems to me Uncanny #1-3 happens first at the beginning of "Week Two" whereas W&TX #1-3 happened at the end of second week in order to give the Westchester Team more time to build and set up the school.

Here there's a large gap of time during which the following take place in an order I haven't decided:

X-Club 1-5, Magneto: Not a Hero 1-4, X-Men 20-27, New Mutants 37-43, Avengers: X-Sanction 1-4, Wolverine & the X-Men: Alpha and Omega 1-5, X-Men Legacy 260.1-263
Wolverine 310-313, v4 #20, 300-304



Next, we have the highly condensed series of events:
Uncanny X-Force #10-18 - the Dark Angel Saga largely happens in a day or two despite the large number of issues involved.

Uncanny X-Men #5-8, then #4 - it's stated explicitly that the destruction of the town in Montana that became Tabula Rasa happened the night before Psylocke informed the Extinction Team of Tabula Rasa's existence, and issue #4 can easily take place as the x-men fly home from Tabula Rasa due to the lack of Emma and presence of Psylocke.

Uncanny X-Force #19 - where Genesis and Angel are sent with Beast and Kitty to the Jean Grey School and then Fantomex is taken to Otherworld

Wolverine & the X-Men #4 –Genesis and Angel start at the school, Kitty is impregnated with the Brood

Uncanny X-Force #20-23 –X-Force goes to Otherworld

X-Men Legacy #264-265 –Mimic and Weapon Omega come to the Jean Grey school, Kitty and Wolverine are not present

Wolverine & the X-Men #5-8



NOTE: The rest is placed here because a non-pregnant Kitty, Genesis, Angel, and Kubark (who gets taken out of the school during Avengers vs. X-Men) or some combination of them are all present.

Uncanny X-Force 24-35, Astonishing X-Men #48-56 + Annual, Wolverine #305-308, New Mutants #44-49

Also, due to the use of Psylocke and the fact the Emma has her arm reattached, X-Men #28-39 and Generation Hope #13-17 also probably happen here, since the school was open in X-Men Legacy #260.1-263 where the Lights and the Recruits appeared and Kenji was still alive.

Uncanny X-Men #9-10 close out the ReGenesis status quo and lead directly into the first issues of Avengers vs. X-Men


Placement of X-Factor #232-245, 247
I pieced this together by working backwards, mostly, from Breaking Points. Avengers vs X-Men will be referred to as AvX for the rest of this post.

Issue #247: (Day 6) Jamie and Layla fighting zombies the morning after getting married in Las Vegas. They left New York the day before to elope.

Issue #245: (Day 5) Havok leaves X-Factor HQ to “go find his way” aka join the Uncanny Avengers. He and Polaris part on good terms.
(End of Day 4) Lorna and Alex have a conversation about the relationship shortly after The Morrigan aka Banshee gives balance and stability to Lorna’s mind. Lorna mentions that AvX already happened and it was Alex’s idea to participate.

Issue #244: (Day 4) Banshee takes on the mantle of the Morrigan to help Lorna and to be closer to her father

Issue #243: (Day 3) Lorna learns that she caused her mother and Mr. Dane’s death and loses her grip on sanity

Issue #242: (Day 2) Rahne, Rictor, and Shatterstar search for Tyr as Darwin pursues him

Issue #241: (Day 1) The inter-dimensional enemies pulled through by Jamie returning to Earth 616 confront them at the park only to be defeated by X-Factor and secretly Mephisto. M and Guido fight over Guido treating a civilian woman as collateral damage and he leaves the team.

Issue #240: (Day 0) Layla saves a girl who will become a doctor and save Jamie’s life while M and Guido continue their date.

Issue #238-239: (Day 0) Banshee, Polaris, and Rahne return from Rev. Maddox’s church to the news of a sonic killer. Shatterstar wakes Longshot up from his coma. Banshee and Havok go to investigate while Guido takes M on a date.

Issue #237: Rahne is forcibly taken on a roadtrip with Polaris and Banshee to Rev. Maddox in order to confront the anguish over rejecting her son

Issue #235-236: Shatterstar and Jamie investigate a killer in Seattle who happens to be from the Mojoverse. Longshot is put into a coma when trying to use his psychometry a week before the pair arrive in Seattle.

Since it’s unlikely Shatterstar would’ve left Longshot in a coma for longer than a week, everything from #235 onward most likely takes place after AvX, considering Breaking Points most mentions AvX having already happened.

I have not read Uncanny Avengers #1 though, so I don’t know if there is an indication of how much times passes between the end of AvX and Alex accepting Cap’s offer to lead the Avengers Unity Squad.
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Post-Regenesis 2

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:56 pm

I have XF 244 occurring on the same day as UX 243, since XF 244 happens "a couple days" after XF 241. Is there any reason there can't be a gap between XF 245 and 247. I'd put the flashbacks in UX 246 in that gap.
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Re: Post-Regenesis

Post by Emerald_616 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:31 pm

I went with a separate day, since the storyline was promoted as 1 issue per day. It could be that Theresa made her deal the night of Day 3 in XF 244, and the conversations in XF 245 are on Day 4. Then Alex's departure is on Day 5.

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Re: Post-Regenesis

Post by Midnighter » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:50 pm

I think that X-Club has to be placed between page 9 and 10 Of Uncanny X-Men 1, because of Emma's arm.

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Re: Post-Regenesis 2

Post by Emerald_616 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:24 pm

So I went back and re-read X-Factor again and there is no break at all. XF 244 clearly says "End of Day 4" on the final page, and seems to be non-existent.

It seems to go
XF 243
XF 244
XF 245 (1-15)
XF 246 -FB
XF 245 (15-20)

EDIT: (see below)

XF 246
XF 247
XF 248
XF 249

on Day 5.

Then in XF 250 Rictor says he got in Darwin's way "a couple months ago" which refers to XF 242. However, this seems to be an error, since Ric and Star teleported back to X-Factor HQ during XF 245 and also Monet is still really angry with Pip for jumping in her body in 248-249 and it's unlikely he would've stayed with X-Factor for "a couple months" while Monet remains this mad.

From here, XF 250-256 happens continuously to the end of the Hell on Earth War, however the entire war seems to be erased when Guido becomes Lord of All Hell(s) and resets the world back to how it should be. Also, XF 257-261 all seem to be happening simultaneously after XF 256 to show what happened to various members of X-Factor.


EDIT: it is possible there's a gap of time between the end of XF 245 and XF 246, however, I doubt Jamie and Layla would be gone that long, since we see them the morning after getting married in Vegas and it's unlikely they'd be gone for more than a few days without at least leaving word with the rest of the team.

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Re: Post-Regenesis

Post by Paul Bourcier » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:15 am

There are three flashback segments in XF 246:
(10:3)
Layla, Longshot, Shatterstar, Rictor, M, Polaris, Madrox, and Pip pose for a photo.
(12-13)
A woman shows up at X-Factor’s headquarters seeking a seance with her dead husband, but Pip uses his cosmic attunement and discovers that the husband faked his death and is living in the Bahamas.
(14:3-18:5)
This flashback is referred to as having occurred “the other day” in XF 246. Friends of Humanity warriors assault X-Factor’s headquarters and are defeated by Pip, unbeknownst to X-Factor.

Which of these has to occur sometime during page 15 of XF 245 and why? I have all of these FBs after XF 245. Do we *know* how much time passes between Madrox's proposal to Layla in XF 245 and their Las Vegas wedding the day before XF 247?

After that, I would guess that XF 247-258 take four days to happen:
Day One -- XF 247, then XF 246 (that night)
Day Two -- XF 248-249
Day Three -- XF 250-255, XF 256 (1-16), XF 258 (11:2-11:4)-FB, XF 256 (17-20)
Day Four -- XF 257, XF 258 (12:1-19:3)-FB, XF 258
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Re: Post-Regenesis

Post by Emerald_616 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:00 pm

The third flashback where Pip defeats the attackers just before Jamie, Layla, and Longshot return from dinner happens during XF 245. In the flashback, Jamie sees the door repair people leaving as he enters X-Factor Headquarters.

In XF 245, we see Jamie, Layla and Longshot after they enter headquarters and Jamie asks about why Pip had the door repair people there before going into the kitchen with Layla to have ice cream.

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Re: Post-Regenesis

Post by Emerald_616 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:53 pm

To help continue this thread, I'm linking a thread from Comic Book Resources X-Books forum where some posters are piecing together the X-Titles in Marvel NOW! Hopefully we can create a link between the old thread here that connects Utopia to Schism and then from Schism/Regenesis to Battle of the Atom.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/fo ... 15-X-Books

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Re: Post-Regenesis

Post by Emerald_616 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:24 am

Updated with a list like the Utopia-Schism thread.

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