Hi there, first time, long time...
Iron Man 159 (IM 159) is currently listed as occurring in the middle of Fantastic Four 244 (FF 244) via Mr. Fantastic's chronology. I suggest moving IM 159 to post FF 245 for all four members of the FF, and post FF 244 for Iron Man, as the FF's appearance in IM 159 shows Ben Grimm in his classic rocky hide, not the Byrne 'lumpy' skin he was sporting throughout FF 244. Ben was in lumpy mode from FF 238 until 245, when he was transformed back via Franklin's mutant power.
Issues were referenced through the Marvel Unlimited feature at marvel.com.
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Re: IM 159
I think Ben's depiction in Iron Man #159 may have been explained at some point as an art error, but I can't find the reference. The placement as we have it comes from Murray Ward's Avengers Index.
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Re: IM 159
IM 159 was published the same month as FF 243, and Ben went back to being rocky in FF 245 (as mentioned above). That's only a two month difference; it's not like this is a seven month discrepancy or anything like that.
Does it have something to do with Iron Man's chronology? Or how the Avengers book lines up with the Fantastic Four book?
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Does it have something to do with Iron Man's chronology? Or how the Avengers book lines up with the Fantastic Four book?
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Re: IM 159
Two days pass between pages 17-18 of FF 244, and the rest of FF 244 and FF 245 happen on the same day. Yeah, that’s enough time for IM 159 to happen, but as said above, Thing’s rocky in IM 159 and lumpy in FF 244. Two days later by the end of FF 245, Thing’s rocky again.
I can’t find any reason why IM 159 has to happen before Ben’s turned back to rocky from lumpy, so I’ll suggest moving IM 159.
Also, we’re missing Barbara Walter’s appearance in FF 245.
Also, as long as we’re in this area, I see Human Torch and Mr. Fantastic in S-H2 30, but Invisible Girl is nowhere to be found (and since Thing isn't here either, I see no reason to assume she's invisible).
HUMAN TORCH II/JOHNNY STORM
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FF 244
*IM 159 (move from here)
FF 245
*IM 159 (move to here)
S-H2 30
MICRO 40
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INVISIBLE GIRL/SUE STORM RICHARDS
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FF 244
*IM 159 (move from here)
FF 245
*IM 159 (move to here)
**S-H2 30 (delete)
MICRO 40
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IRON MAN/ANTHONY EDWARD "TONY" STARK
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A 220
*IM 159 (move from here)
A@ 11
FF 244
*IM 159 (move to here)
MICRO 43
…
MR. FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS
…
FF 244-FB
**FF 244 (1 - 17) (delete)
*IM 159 (move from here)
**FF 244 (18 - 22) (delete)
*FF 244
FF 245
*IM 159 (move to here)
S-H2 30
MICRO 40
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THING II/BENJAMIN J. GRIMM
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FF 244-FB
*IM 159 (move from here)
FF 244
FF 245
*IM 159 (move to here)
MICRO 40
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WALTERS, BARBARA
*FF 245
H2 279
I can’t find any reason why IM 159 has to happen before Ben’s turned back to rocky from lumpy, so I’ll suggest moving IM 159.
Also, we’re missing Barbara Walter’s appearance in FF 245.
Also, as long as we’re in this area, I see Human Torch and Mr. Fantastic in S-H2 30, but Invisible Girl is nowhere to be found (and since Thing isn't here either, I see no reason to assume she's invisible).
HUMAN TORCH II/JOHNNY STORM
…
FF 244
*IM 159 (move from here)
FF 245
*IM 159 (move to here)
S-H2 30
MICRO 40
…
INVISIBLE GIRL/SUE STORM RICHARDS
…
FF 244
*IM 159 (move from here)
FF 245
*IM 159 (move to here)
**S-H2 30 (delete)
MICRO 40
…
IRON MAN/ANTHONY EDWARD "TONY" STARK
…
A 220
*IM 159 (move from here)
A@ 11
FF 244
*IM 159 (move to here)
MICRO 43
…
MR. FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS
…
FF 244-FB
**FF 244 (1 - 17) (delete)
*IM 159 (move from here)
**FF 244 (18 - 22) (delete)
*FF 244
FF 245
*IM 159 (move to here)
S-H2 30
MICRO 40
…
THING II/BENJAMIN J. GRIMM
…
FF 244-FB
*IM 159 (move from here)
FF 244
FF 245
*IM 159 (move to here)
MICRO 40
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WALTERS, BARBARA
*FF 245
H2 279
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Re: IM 159
This makes sense to me. I couldn't help but wonder why the older indexes put that IM appearance during FF 244, but I can't see a reason why it has to go there when the Thing's appearance is such a strong clue.
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