Greek Gods myths and marvel contradictions.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:47 pm
Hey there, I recently downloaded a relatively accurate and relatively comprehensive family tree of the Greek gods, I have been editing it to fit in line with Marvel rendition of the gods but I'm having major problems.
1. Do we assume a Greek god doesn’t exist if we have never seen them in comic form? Or do we assume all Greek gods who have survived by the end of classical myths are still around in some capacity in the MU to this day unless otherwise stated?
2. Does Marvel have generic “Olympians” in the same way it has generic “Asgardians”, because in the myths I haven’t found mention of generic non named god’s, its either the pantheon or nothing it seems.
3. This is the big one: We have the Greek family tree as seen here: http://www.box.net/shared/zvbtqxqua3 Originally the top one was called “Chaos” or “the void” or something but in marvel terms we know all the earthly pantheons come from the demiurge. So I changed that. But the bit I need help reconciling is the bit below where it states that Gaea was just one of five beings. But we know in Marvel that these others can’t exist. Yet their existence is required for some of the further branches of the tree. If we look at my Elder god guide http://www.box.net/shared/yyn5qoasg4 (not self plugging I just don’t know of any others) we can see while Gaea is “the same”, Oshtur left long ago, Set and Chthon have nothing to do with the Greeks as far as I know, and besides which are sealed away, and all the others were eaten by Set and Chthon. So how do we explain Tartarus, Erebus, Eros and Nyx? Their being on the same line as Gaea indicates that they too must be elder gods, but we have just seen looking at the elder god’s history that this can’t be true!
One potential excuse is that they were elder gods who were eaten but first bore their descendants. However this isn’t possible as their descendants would clearly have been caught in the devouring sessions or Demigurge rampages. And even if they were not, none of the Olympians or Titans are allowed to be born until after the Hyborian age anyway as has been previously established. They have to start at the same time as the last Asgardian Ragnorok cycle because otherwise they would have a massive advantage over them and surely would have informed them of their cyclical nature.
Although it’s known the ‘solid’ Greek gods descended from beings which are mostly ‘abstract’ concepts e.g. night and day (which seems impossible in and of itself but we have to roll with it). But in the same way Gaea and all known elder gods by default do also have solid forms (which explains their breeding and which they needed to get eaten by Demigurge) Tartarus and the others must have done as well by being of the same generation as her.
And even if they were now-dead elder gods how would the locations and things they represent still exist without them? We know Tartarus exists as one of the “interfaces of the afterlife” (Cho’s Browser analogy is brilliantly useful in explaining multiple similarly functioning ‘hells’) but how do you have the location of Tartarus without the elder god Tartarus being alive still? So there is no reconciliation here.
In conclusion it seems Gaea’s siblings are needed for even the marvel version of the Greek myths, but to do so inherently contradicts the pre-established elder god stuff. Can anyone help me?
1. Do we assume a Greek god doesn’t exist if we have never seen them in comic form? Or do we assume all Greek gods who have survived by the end of classical myths are still around in some capacity in the MU to this day unless otherwise stated?
2. Does Marvel have generic “Olympians” in the same way it has generic “Asgardians”, because in the myths I haven’t found mention of generic non named god’s, its either the pantheon or nothing it seems.
3. This is the big one: We have the Greek family tree as seen here: http://www.box.net/shared/zvbtqxqua3 Originally the top one was called “Chaos” or “the void” or something but in marvel terms we know all the earthly pantheons come from the demiurge. So I changed that. But the bit I need help reconciling is the bit below where it states that Gaea was just one of five beings. But we know in Marvel that these others can’t exist. Yet their existence is required for some of the further branches of the tree. If we look at my Elder god guide http://www.box.net/shared/yyn5qoasg4 (not self plugging I just don’t know of any others) we can see while Gaea is “the same”, Oshtur left long ago, Set and Chthon have nothing to do with the Greeks as far as I know, and besides which are sealed away, and all the others were eaten by Set and Chthon. So how do we explain Tartarus, Erebus, Eros and Nyx? Their being on the same line as Gaea indicates that they too must be elder gods, but we have just seen looking at the elder god’s history that this can’t be true!
One potential excuse is that they were elder gods who were eaten but first bore their descendants. However this isn’t possible as their descendants would clearly have been caught in the devouring sessions or Demigurge rampages. And even if they were not, none of the Olympians or Titans are allowed to be born until after the Hyborian age anyway as has been previously established. They have to start at the same time as the last Asgardian Ragnorok cycle because otherwise they would have a massive advantage over them and surely would have informed them of their cyclical nature.
Although it’s known the ‘solid’ Greek gods descended from beings which are mostly ‘abstract’ concepts e.g. night and day (which seems impossible in and of itself but we have to roll with it). But in the same way Gaea and all known elder gods by default do also have solid forms (which explains their breeding and which they needed to get eaten by Demigurge) Tartarus and the others must have done as well by being of the same generation as her.
And even if they were now-dead elder gods how would the locations and things they represent still exist without them? We know Tartarus exists as one of the “interfaces of the afterlife” (Cho’s Browser analogy is brilliantly useful in explaining multiple similarly functioning ‘hells’) but how do you have the location of Tartarus without the elder god Tartarus being alive still? So there is no reconciliation here.
In conclusion it seems Gaea’s siblings are needed for even the marvel version of the Greek myths, but to do so inherently contradicts the pre-established elder god stuff. Can anyone help me?