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Spider-Man #½

Post by Col_Fury » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:56 am

SPIDER-MAN #½ (1998)
By Tom DeFalco & Rick Leonardi

APPEARANCES:
Spider-Man, Mary Jane (bts), bystanders

FLASHBACKS:
The life and times of Peter Parker, the amazing Spider-Man! (no new information)
SYNOPSIS:
Spider-Man saves a girl from bricks falling off the face of a building and is knocked out. He hallucinates Harry Osborn’s ghost who gives him a “This Is Your Life” tour. Spider-Man wakes up and swings off to meet Mary Jane to shop for a new couch.

Placement suggestions:

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
……
ASM2 2
*SM 0.5
T2 8
……

WATSON-PARKER, MARY JANE
……
ASM2 2
*SM 0.5-BTS
PPSM 3
……
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Re: Spider-Man #½

Post by Starman » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:43 pm

There is a problem with that placing. Peter Parker doesn't become Spider-Man again until the last page of ASM2 2. Until then it was the new Spider-Woman that was Spider-Man during the start of the Volume 2 runs.
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Re: Spider-Man #½

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:46 pm

You're right!

After ASM2 2, Thor #8 begins a two-parter that ends in PPSSM 2, but that starts with Peter taking Aunt May to get her prescriptions (meaning, it's not picking up fro the end of ASM2 2 or any other cliffhanger). How's after ASM2 2 sound?
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Re: Spider-Man #½

Post by Starman » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:58 am

ASM2 2 goes straight into a storyline with Iceman and Shadrac, as right in the beginning of issue ASM2 3 Peter Parker thinks about that he just left the new Spider-(Wo)Man on the roof of the building you see him jump off on. He doesn't even have webshooters yet, which makes him fall and slide and land on his bum on the sidewalk. The Thor and Spider-Man team-up in Thor #8 and PPSM2 2 should take place after that storyline. Squeezing the the half-issue inbetween that storyline and the Thor storyline could work. (Yes, Thor #8 and PPSM2 2 should be moved, unless you have a very good explanation to this.)

EDIT: I looked at the current Spider-Man chronology, and just noticed I might have opened a can of worms now. There can be no appearences of Peter Parker as Spider-Man between Spider-Man #98 and Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #2, and Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #2 goes straight into a storyline that involves Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #3 and Peter Parker: Spider-Man #3. This creates a case where Peter Parker: Spider-Man #2 occurs after #3, and all issues with Peter Parker as Spider-Man have to be moved to either before Spider-Man #98 or after PP:SM #3.

EDIT 2: I hate having flu-brain. Feels like my brain is leaking out through my nose.
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Re: Spider-Man #½

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:32 am

Starman wrote:I looked at the current Spider-Man chronology, and just noticed I might have opened a can of worms now. There can be no appearences of Peter Parker as Spider-Man between Spider-Man #98 and Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #2, and Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #2 goes straight into a storyline that involves Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) #3 and Peter Parker: Spider-Man #3. This creates a case where Peter Parker: Spider-Man #2 occurs after #3, and all issues with Peter Parker as Spider-Man have to be moved to either before Spider-Man #98 or after PP:SM #3.
The recent Amazing Spider-Man Index gives us this chronology (with some notes from me):

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
……
SM 98 (Peter retires as Spider-Man)
DD2 1-BTS (no mention of Peter or Spider-Man; why is this here?)
WTSM 1/2 (just Peter, no Spider-Man)
ASM2 1/3 (just Peter, no Spider-Man)
ASM2 1 (Peter not Spider-Man)
DD2 8 (Peter as Spider-Man) (oops!)
PPSM 1 (Peter not Spider-Man)
DD2 16 (just Peter, no Spider-Man)
PPSM 1/2 (Peter not Spider-Man)
ASM2 2 (Peter resumes being Spider-Man)
ASM2 3 (cont. directly from ASM2 2’s end)
PPSM 3-FB
PPSM 3 (cont. directly from ASM2 3’s end)
T2 8 (new story)
PPSM 2 (cont. directly from T2 8)
ASM2 4 (new story)
……

First, as you say, there’s nowhere for PPSM 2 to go between PPSM 1 & PPSM 3. Since Peter has already resumed being Spider-Man in PPSM 2, it can’t go before PPSM 1 (where he’s still retired), so it has to go after PPSM 3. I can’t find a break in ASM2 3 to slot PPSM 2 into (the plot goes from the end of AM2 2, then Peter has to dodge out of work because of the time sensitive plot, then it continues into PPSM 3). Odd, but there’s Howard Mackie’s plot-on-the-fly writing style for you.

I’m leaning toward after PPSM 2 and before ASM2 4 for this SM 0.5 comic. Let everything “catch up” before putting this thing in, if you get me.

As for the Daredevil issues:
DD2 had some serious publishing delays. DD2 1-8 was published (or at least indicia dated) at the same time as ASM2 1-6. DD2 9-12 at the same time as ASM2 12-18, DD2 13 at the same time as ASM2 22. DD:NINJA 1-3 at the same time as DD/SM 1-4 and ASM2 24-29. DD2 14-19 at the same time as ASM2 27-32.

With that in mind, we have Spider-Man as -BTS in DD2 1; I don’t see why. Mr. Fantastic is mentioned (not that he’s -BTS here), but I’m seeing nothing for Peter or Spider-Man. This should be deleted. We have DD2 8 with Peter as Spider-Man during a time when he shouldn’t be. In theory, maybe Peter just put on the Spider-Man suit to give Daredevil a pep talk (it was right after Karen Page’s funeral), but at a time when he’s retired? Isn’t that “do as I say, not as I do”? And then we have a Peter Parker cameo in DD2 16 (Peter chats with Ben Urich) placed over two years out of publication order. There might be a Daredevil-related story reason for that one, though, so let’s find out.

DAREDEVIL/MATT MICHAEL MURDOCK/"JACK BATLIN"
……
DD 380
DD2 1 (1 - 2) (Karen Page leaves Matt)
NHAWK 1
NHAWK 2
NHAWK 3
DD2 1 (3 - 22) (“six months” later)
DD2 2 (cont.)
DD2 3 (cont.)
DD2 4 (cont.)
A3 10 (cameo)
A3 11 (cameo, Peter as Spider-Man appears, before ASM 440 for Spider-Man)
ASM2 1 (cameo)
DD2 5 (DD was drugged last issue; it takes effect this issue, other comics probably shouldn’t be between these issues… unless they reference the ongoing plot, which they don’t)
DD2 6 (cont.)
DD2 7 (cont.)
DD2 8 (Karen’s funeral; not cont. exactly, but other appearances probably shouldn’t be between these issues)
DD2 9 (it’s been a while since last issue; weeks if not months)
DD2 10 (cont.)
DD2 11 (cont.)
DD2 12 (cont.)
DD2 19-FB (DD & Leapfrog fight; can’t happen here)
DD2 13 (cont. from DD2 12; spans weeks if not months, ends with Kingpin shot)
DD2 18 (Kingpin not blind, overlaps with DD2 13)
DD2 19 (cont.)
DD2 14 (cont. from DD2 13) (Kingpin still bleeding)
DD2 15 (cont., ends with Kingpin blind)
DD/SM 1 (Kingpin blind, but currently placed before PPSM 6-8 where he’s not blind)
DD/SM 2 (published at same time as PPSM 25-28)
DD/SM 3
DD/SM 4
BW 1 (published around DD2 8, way out of order)
BW 2
BW 3
COCII 3 (published between DD2 8-9)
COCII 4
FF3 23 (published between DD2 8-9)
W/P:R 3 (published between DD2 8-8)
T '00
GAM3 11-FB
GAM3 11 (published same month as DD2 9)
FF3 27 (published same month as DD2 10)
A3 25-BTS (published between DD2 9-10)
BW2 1 (published around DD2 14)
BW2 2
BW2 3
P5 3 (published between DD2 12-13)
DD:N 1 (published around the same time as DD2 14)
DD:N 2
DD:N 3
FF3 36 (published between DD2 13-14)
M/K 1 (published around DD2 12)
M/K 2
M/K 3
M/K 4
M/K 5
MAXSEC 1-FB
M/K 6
M/K 7
M/K 8
M/K 9 (published around DD2 15)
SENTRY/VOID
ASM2 36
SM:MM 1 (published around DD2 14)
SM:MM 2
SM:MM 3
M/K 11 (published around DD2 16)
M/K 12
M/K 13
M/K 14
M/K 15 (1 - 20)
BW:DO 4-FB
M/K 15 (21 - 22) (published around DD2 20)
IM3 38-FB (at a time when Kingpin’s not blind)
DD2 20/2
DD2 20-FB
DD2 20 (and we’re all caught up)
……

KINGPIN/WILSON FISK
……
DD2 15 (blinded)
DD/SM 1 (blind)
DD/SM 2
DD/SM 3
DD/SM 4
PPSM 7-FB
PPSM 6 (not blind)
PPSM 7
PPSM 8
PPSM 13 (not blind)
IF/W 1 (not blind)
ASM2 28-BTS
IM3 37-FB (not blind)
TGLW 4 (not blind)
DD2 21 (still blind)
……

So yeah, this is a can of worms.

Basically, Daredevil’s book is chopped up into story chunks. DD2 1-8 is one (in theory) uninterrupted block, DD2 9-13 is another, DD2 13 spans a good bit of time, then DD2 13-15 finishes with a new Kingpin status quo. DD2 16-19 is another chunk, but it takes place during DD2 13. DD:N 1-3 and DD/SM 1-4 were published at the same time; DD:N 1-3 should take place during DD2 13 and DD/SM 1-4 has to happen after DD2 15. So there’s that.

Let’s move some things around!

BAAL II/MR. GABRIEL
*DD2 1
*DD2 2
DD2 3
*DD2 4
DD2 6
DD2 7

BLACK WIDOW III/NATALIA ALIANOVNA ROMANOVA/"NATASHA ROMANOFF"
……
IM3 11-FB
*XFOR/CHMPS '98 (move to here)
DD2 2
DD2 4
**XFOR/CHMPS '98 (move from here)
DD2 8
**DD2 9 (move from here)
W2 134
**DD2 14 (move from here)
**DD2 15 (move from here)
**DD/SM 2 (move from here)
**DD/SM 3 (move from here)
**DD/SM 4 (move from here)
ANTBC
BW 1
BW 2
BW 3
COCII 3
COCII 4
COCII 5
FF3 27
*DD2 9 (move to here)
BW2 1
BW2 2
BW2 3 (1 - 19:1)
BW:DO 4 (12:1)-FB
BW2 3 (19:2 - 22)
A3 32
TB 43-FB
TB 43
A3 33
TB 44
A3 34
M/K 1
M/K 2
M/K 3
M/K 4
M/K 5
M/K 6
M/K 7
M/K 8
M/K 9
M/K 10
M/K 11
M/K 12
M/K 13
M/K 14
M/K 15 (1 - 20)
BW:DO 4 (12:2)-FB
M/K 15 (21 - 22)
*DD2 14 (move to here)
*DD2 15 (move to here)
*DD/SM 2 (move to here)
*DD/SM 3 (move to here)
*DD/SM 4 (move to here)
A3 41-BTS
A3 43
A3 44
DD2 21
……

DAREDEVIL/MATT MICHAEL MURDOCK/"JACK BATLIN"
……
DD 380
DD2 1 (1 - 2)
NHAWK 1
NHAWK 2
NHAWK 3
*A3 10 (move to here)
*A3 11 (move to here)
*ASM2 1 (move to here)
DD2 1 (3 - 22)
DD2 2
DD2 3
DD2 4
**A3 10 (move from here)
**A3 11 (move from here)
**ASM2 1 (move from here)
DD2 5
DD2 6
DD2 7
DD2 8
**DD2 9 (move from here)
**DD2 10 (move from here)
**DD2 11 (move from here)
**DD2 12 (move from here)
**DD2 19-FB (move from here)
**DD2 13 (delete)
**DD2 18 (delete)
**DD2 19 (move from here)
**DD2 14 (move from here)
**DD2 15 (move from here)
**DD/SM 1 (move from here)
**DD/SM 2 (move from here)
**DD/SM 3 (move from here)
**DD/SM 4 (move from here)
BW 1
BW 2
BW 3
COCII 3
COCII 4
FF3 23
W/P:R 3
T '00
GAM3 11-FB
GAM3 11
FF3 27
A3 25-BTS
*DD2 9 (move to here)
*DD2 10 (move to here)
*DD2 11 (move to here)
*DD2 12 (move to here)
*DD2 13 (1 - 5)
BW2 1
BW2 2
BW2 3
P5 3
DD:N 1
DD:N 2
DD:N 3
FF3 36
*DD2 19-FB (move to here)
M/K 1
M/K 2
M/K 3
M/K 4
M/K 5
MAXSEC 1-FB
M/K 6
M/K 7
M/K 8
M/K 9
SENTRY/VOID
ASM2 36
SM:MM 1
SM:MM 2
SM:MM 3
M/K 11
M/K 12
M/K 13
M/K 14
M/K 15 (1 - 20)
BW:DO 4-FB
M/K 15 (21 - 22)
IM3 38-FB
*DD2 13 (6 - 7)-OP
*DD2 18 (8 - 9)-OP
*DD2 13 (8 - 13)
*DD2 18 (10 - 22)
*DD2 19 (move to here)
*DD2 13 (14 - 22)
*DD2 14 (move to here)
*DD2 15 (move to here)
*DD/SM 1 (move to here)
*DD/SM 2 (move to here)
*DD/SM 3 (move to here)
*DD/SM 4 (move to here)
DD2 20/2
DD2 20-FB
DD2 20
……

**GABRIEL III (delete entry)
DD2 1
DD2 2
DD2 4
DD2 6
DD2 7

*GLADIATOR/MELVIN POTTER (renumber to be the second)
DD 18
……

*GLADIATOR II/PRAETOR KALLARK (renumber to be the first)
WOK:WARR 1-FB
……

*GLADIATOR III (change name to GLADIATOR III/WYLIE LEMMICK)
DD 366
DD 367
DD/SM 3-FB
**DD/SM 3-FB (delete)
DD/SM 1
……

HUMAN TORCH II/JOHNNY STORM
……
FF3 21
**DD/SM 4 (move from here)
COCII 1
……
FF3 45
*DD/SM 4 (move to here)
PPSM 37
……

INVISIBLE WOMAN/SUE STORM RICHARDS
……
FF3 21
**DD/SM 4 (move from here)
COCII 3
……
FF3 45
*DD/SM 4 (move to here)
DEF2 1
……

JAMESON, JOHN JONAH JR.
……
ASM2 1
PPSM 1
**DD2 16 (move from here)
**DD2 19 (move from here)
**PPSM 2 (move from here)
PPSM 3
*PPSM 2 (move to here)
PPSM 4
……
PPSM 31
*DD2 16 (move to here)
*DD2 19 (move to here)
DD2 21
……

KINGPIN/WILSON FISK
……
DD2 11-BTS
**DD2 13 (delete)
**DD2 14 (move from here)
**DD2 15 (move from here)
**DD/SM 1 (move from here)
**DD/SM 2 (move from here)
**DD/SM 3 (move from here)
**DD/SM 4 (move from here)
PPSM 7-FB
PPSM 6
PPSM 7
PPSM 8
PPSM 13
IF/W 1
ASM2 28-BTS
IM3 37-FB
TGLW 4
*DD2 13 (6 - 7)
*DD2 18
*DD2 13 (8 - 22)
*DD2 14 (move to here)
*DD2 15 (move to here)
*DD/SM 1 (move to here)
*DD/SM 2 (move to here)
*DD/SM 3 (move to here)
*DD/SM 4 (move to here)
DD2 21
……

MR. FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS
……
FF3 21
**DD/SM 4 (move from here)
COCII 2
……
FF3 45
*DD/SM 4 (move to here)
DEF2 1
……

NELSON, FRANKLIN P. "FOGGY"
……
DD2 8
*A3 26 (move to here)
DD2 9
DD2 10
DD2 11
**DD2 13 (delete)
*DD2 13 (1 - 5)
*DD:N 2-BTS (move to here)
*FF3 35 (move to here)
*DD2 13 (6 - 7)
*DD2 18
*DD2 13 (8 - 22)
DD2 14
DD/SM 2
DD/SM 3
DD/SM 4
**A3 26 (move from here)
**DD:N 2-BTS (move from here)
**FF3 35 (move from here)
DD2 20
……

SHARPE, ROSALIND
……
DD2 8
**DD2 13 (delete)
*DD2 13 (6 - 7)
*DD2 18-OP
*DD2 13 (8 - 22)
DD2 83

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
……
SM 98
**DD2 1-BTS (delete)
WTSM 1/2
ASM2 1/3
ASM2 1
**DD2 8 (move from here)
PPSM 1
**DD2 16 (move from here)
PPSM 1/2
ASM2 2
**T2 8 (move from here)
**PPSM 2 (move from here)
ASM2 3
PPSM 3-FB
PPSM 3
*T2 8 (move to here)
*PPSM 2 (move to here)
*SM 0.5
*DD2 8 (move to here)
ASM2 4
SL 0
SL:DUSK = SL:HRNT = SL:PROD = SL:RICO
SL 2
SL 3
SL 4
SL 5
**DD/SM 1 (move from here)
**DD/SM 2 (move from here)
**DD/SM 3 (move from here)
**DD/SM 4 (move from here)
ANTBC
……
PPSM 28
**DD2 20/2 (move from here)
FF3 40
……
TGLW 4
*DD2 16 (move to here)
*DD/SM 1 (move to here)
*DD/SM 2 (move to here)
*DD/SM 3 (move to here)
*DD/SM 4 (move to here)
*DD2 20/2 (move to here)
SMU3 4/2-FB
SMTGLW 5
……

STILT-MAN/WILBUR DAY
……
DD 378
DD/SM 3-FB
**DD/SM 3-FB (delete)
DD/SM 1
……

THING II/BENJAMIN J. GRIMM
……
FF3 21
**DD/SM 4 (move from here)
COCII 1
……
FF3 45
*DD/SM 4 (move to here)
DEF2 1
……

THOR/THOR ODINSON/"DR. DONALD BLAKE"/"SIGURD JARLSON"/"JAKE OLSON"/"LOREN OLSON"
……
T '99
**DD2 16 (move from here)
T:G 2 (25 - 32)
……
A:CQ 8
*DD2 16 (move to here)
GSA2 1/3-FB
IA 1
A3 41
……

URICH, BEN
……
SM 98
**DD2 8 (move from here)
PPSM 3
*DD2 8 (move to here)
**DD2 16 (move from here)
**DD2 17 (move from here)
**DD2 18-FB (move from here)
**DD2 18 (delete)
**DD2 19 (move from here)
ASM2 11
PPSM 11
PPSM 14
PPSM 16
ASM2 18
PPSM 19
NW2 10
ASM2 24
W2 162-BTS
*DD2 16 (move to here)
*DD2 17 (move to here)
*DD2 18-FB (move to here)
*DD2 18 (1 - 7)
*DD2 13 (6 - 7)-OP
*DD2 18 (8 - 9)
*DD2 13 (8 - 13)-OP
*DD2 18 (10 - 22)
*DD2 19 (move to here)
SM/DD 1
DD2 27
……

WATSON-PARKER, MARY JANE
……
ASM2 1
**DD2 8 (move from here)
PPSM 1
PPSM 1/2
ASM2 2
PPSM 3
*SM 0.5-BTS
*DD2 8 (move to here)
ASM2 4
PPSM 4
……
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