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Savage Hulk v2 #1-6

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SAVAGE HULK v2 #1 (August 2014)
By ALAN DAVIS!

APPEARANCES:
Leader, Hulk, Professor X, Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Havok, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Polaris, Abomination, Jeb, Dorothy, Hulkbusters, Maj. Talbot (bts)

FLASHBACK:
Recap of X 66, no new information.
SYNOPSIS:
Leader watches news reports of the Hulk’s encounter with the X-Men. Meanwhile, the Hulk escapes from a Hulkbuster unit. Professor X wants to use the device Banner created that got Xavier out of his come to cure the Hulk. Hulk calms down and reverts to Banner; he meets two RV-ers and they feed him. The X-Men return to Banner’s cave lab, but they’re attacked by the Abomination.

NOTE:
Xavier was awoken from his coma “hours ago.” X2 94/2 (the lead-in to X:HY) happens “30 hours” after X 66 (while X:HY 1 takes place during then after X 66). So, this should happen before X2 94/2.

SAVAGE HULK v2 #2 (September 2014)
By ALAN DAVIS!

APPEARANCES:
Hulk (also in fb), Professor X, Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Havok, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Polaris, Abomination (also in fb), Jeb, Dorothy, Hulkbusters, Maj. Talbot (also bts in fb), Leader

FLASHBACK:
Abomination attacks the Hulk, but when the Hulkbusters arrive he runs away (right before last issue).
SYNOPSIS:
The X-men fight the Abomination. Meanwhile, Bruce changes into Hulk and leaps in to fight the Abomination. Hulk throws the Aboination at the Hulkbusters and Maj. Talbot decides to imprison Aboination instead of going after the Hulk. The X-Men start the process of curing the Hulk while the Leader spies on them. Marvel Girl ants to help Professor X telepathically guide the machine to cure Banner, but an explosion turns her into a Hulk.

SAVAGE HULK v2 #3 (October 2014)
By ALAN DAVIS!

APPEARANCES:
Hulk, Professor X, Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Havok, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Polaris, Leader

SYNOPSIS:
Marvel Girl’s mental abilities have been amplified, and Professor X thinks she’s controlling the other X-Men. Suddenly, they’re all attacked by robots. Bruce tries to get Xavier away from the fighting, but Xavier quickly discovers the two of them are inside Bruce’s thoughts. Bruce explains whenever Bruce tries to fight the Hulk, the Hulk becomes stronger; he must have developed mental abilities to fight Xavier’s telepathy. They wake up and find they’ve been tied up by the Leader, who plans to sap the Hulk’s strength for himself.

NOTE:
TECHNICALLY speaking, Leader is just -BTS here (or -VO I guess), controlling a robot of himself as revealed next issue. Essentially, though, it’s him, so I’ll just say he appears here.

SAVAGE HULK v2 #4 (November 2014)
By ALAN DAVIS!

APPEARANCES:
Hulk, Leader, Professor X, Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Havok, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Polaris, Jeb, Dorothy, Hulkbusters, Maj. Talbot

SYNOPSIS:
In an effort to stop being trapped by Banner’s device, Hulk develops telekinesis and defeats the Leader and his robots. Hulk destroys a mountain and burns off his excess energy, losing his telekinesis, then leaves. Professor X surmises that Banner is still in the Hulk somewhere, controlling his actions.

NOTE:
And we’re basically back to where we were at the end of X 66, so SMF2 9-FB is still fine after this.

Of course, the Abomination poses a small wrinkle here. In TTA 91/2 (his first story), Abomination is sent off to the Stranger’s world. In SS 12-FB, Abomination is upset at being imprisoned. In SS 12, Abomination is freed from imprisonment, then is sent back to the Stranger’s world. In T 178, he’s still on the Stranger’s world. In IH2 137-FB he ends up on a spaceship, and in IH2 136 he’s on that spaceship.

After T 178 is too late. Hulk appears in X 66 then SMF2 9, after which Spider-Man appears in A 82, after which Thor appears in T 178. No good.

It looks like after SS 12-FB and before SS 12 is our only spot. We’ll have to squint a little; in SS 12 Abomination is freed from imprisonment and it’s fairly clear he was transported in from the Stranger’s world. BUT, Abomination is imprisoned by the Hulkbusters in SAVH2 2. Maybe he was freed from THAT imprisonment? Besides, he found a way off to appear in IH2 137-FB somewhere else, maybe he did whatever that was to appear here. In theory:

ABOMINATION/EMIL BLONSKY
IH3 25-FB
{TTA 90/2}
TTA 91/2 (sent to Stranger’s world)
SS 12-FB (upset at being imprisoned)
<somehow gets off Stranger’s world>
SAVH2 2-FB (attacks Hulk)
SAVH2 1 (fights X-Men & Hulk)
SAVH2 2 (imprisoned by military)
SS 12 (freed from imprisonment, sent back to Stranger’s world)
DEF2 10 (time travel shenanigans)
T 178 (still on Stranger’s world)
IH2 137-FB (already got off Stranger’s world somehow again, gets on a spaceship)
……

SAVAGE HULK v2 #5 (December 2014)
By Gabriel Hardman & Corinna Bechko

APPEARANCES:
Doctor Strange, S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Becerra, Congressman Balsam, Ebbin (Sorcerer Supreme of his dimension), Puffball Collective (from IH2 301!), Korv (Ebbin’s “Wong,” basically), Hulk

FLASHBACK:
Recap of H 300, no new information.
SYNOPSIS:
Doctor Strange testifies at a Congressional hearing to see if he made the right decision by banishing the Hulk to another dimension. A Sorcerer Supreme from another dimension appears and accuses Strange of genocide. He follows the creature (and a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent tags along) to find the Hulk. Strange wonders why his failsafe to send Hulk to another dimension when he’s unhappy didn’t work, or the other failsafe where Hulk wasn’t supposed to go to an inhabited world didn’t work either. Strange learns this dimension ages at an accelerated rate, and generations have been fighting the Hulk; this Sorcerer Supreme dies of old age in front of Strange.

NOTE:
The Puffball Collective appears here, so this is after IH2 301 (it’s first appearance) and before IH2 308 (where it’s killed). Between IH2 307-308 seems like as good a place as any for this to go.

SAVAGE HULK v2 #6 (January 2015)
By Gabriel Hardman & Corinna Bechko

APPEARANCES:
Hulk (also in fb), Doctor Strange, S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Becerra, Korv (now the Sorcerer Supreme), Puffball Collective, Congressman Balsam

FLASHBACK:
Hulk arrives in this dimension (before issue #5). Recap of IH2 300 & last issue; no new information.
SYNOPSIS:
Doctor Strange figures out that the Hulk hasn’t left because a spell has been cast to keep him here. He deduces that Korv is responsible; he reveals that he plans to hit Hulk with a Gamma bomb to kill the creature, cull his species and turn the survivors into super monsters like the Hulk. Doctor Strange convinces Hulk that if he stays everyone will die, So Hulk decides he wants to leave and the spell kicks in, taking him to the Crossroads (where he’s greeted by the Puffball Collective). Doctor Strange returns to the Congressional hearing, but it’s been two days since he left. The S.H.I.E.L.D. agent vouches for Strange and everyone’s happy.

NOTE:
Doctor Strange says Hulk has been in this dimension for at least a few weeks, so it’s been longer than that since IH2 300. If this is before IH2 308 for the Hulk than it should also be before M/FAN 20-21 for Doctor Strange (Hulk appears in M/FAN 20 after IH2 308).

Placement suggestions:

ABOMINATION/EMIL BLONSKY
……
SS 12-FB
*SAVH2 2-FB
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
SS 12
……

ANGEL III/WARREN KENNETH WORTHINGTON III
……
X 66 (20)
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 3
*SAVH2 4
X2 94/2
……

BEAST/HENRY "HANK" P. MCCOY
……
X 66 (20)
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 3
*SAVH2 4
X2 94/2
……

CYCLOPS II/SCOTT SUMMERS
……
X 66 (20)
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 3
*SAVH2 4
X2 94/2
……

DOCTOR STRANGE/DR. STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE/"STEPHEN SANDERS"
……
FF 277
*SAVH2 5
*SAVH2 6
M/FAN 20
……

EBBIN
SAVH2 5

HAVOK/ALEX SUMMERS
……
X 66 (20)
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 3
*SAVH2 4
X2 94/2
……

HULK/DR. ROBERT BRUCE BANNER
……
X 66
*SAVH2 2-FB
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 3
*SAVH2 4
SMF2 9-FB
……
IH2 307
*SAVH2 6-FB
*SAVH2 5
*SAVH2 6
IH2 308
……

ICEMAN/ROBERT "BOBBY" DRAKE
……
X 66 (20)
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 3
*SAVH2 4
X2 94/2
……

KORV
SAVH2 5
SAVH2 6

LEADER II/SAM STERNS
……
IH2 124
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 3
*SAVH2 4
IH2 129 (1 - 2:5)
……

MARVEL GIRL/JEAN GREY SUMMERS
……
X 66 (20)
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 3
*SAVH2 4
X2 94/2
……

POLARIS/LORNA DANE
……
X 66 (20)
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 3
*SAVH2 4
X2 94/2
……

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES FRANCIS XAVIER
……
X 66 (20)
*SAVH2 1
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 3
*SAVH2 4
X2 94/2
……

PUFFBALL COLLECTIVE
IH2 308-FB
{IH2 301}
IH@ 13
IH2 302
IH2 303
IH2 304
IH2 305
IH2 306
IH2 307
SAVH2 5
SAVH2 6
IH2 308

TALBOT, COL. GLENN
……
X 66
*SAVH2 2-FB-BTS
*SAVH2 1-BTS
*SAVH2 2
*SAVH2 4
IH2 125
……
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Re: Savage Hulk v2 #1-6

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Col_Fury wrote:[Of course, the Abomination poses a small wrinkle here. In TTA 91/2 (his first story), Abomination is sent off to the Stranger’s world. In SS 12-FB, Abomination is upset at being imprisoned. In SS 12, Abomination is freed from imprisonment, then is sent back to the Stranger’s world. In T 178, he’s still on the Stranger’s world. In IH2 137-FB he ends up on a spaceship, and in IH2 136 he’s on that spaceship.

After T 178 is too late. Hulk appears in X 66 then SMF2 9, after which Spider-Man appears in A 82, after which Thor appears in T 178. No good.

It looks like after SS 12-FB and before SS 12 is our only spot. We’ll have to squint a little; in SS 12 Abomination is freed from imprisonment and it’s fairly clear he was transported in from the Stranger’s world. BUT, Abomination is imprisoned by the Hulkbusters in SAVH2 2. Maybe he was freed from THAT imprisonment? Besides, he found a way off to appear in IH2 137-FB somewhere else, maybe he did whatever that was to appear here. In theory:
At the supermegamonkey website, fnord points out that we don't see the Abomination disappearing at the end of SS 12, so it's possible that it took a couple of days for the spell returning him to take effect, and he appears before the spell sent him back to the Stranger's world:
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronoco ... _1-4.shtml
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Re: Savage Hulk v2 #1-6

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Yeah, either way it's wonky.

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Re: Savage Hulk v2 #1-6

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Question: how tight is the timing between this, X2 94/2, X&SM 1, FF:WGCM 3-4 & 11-12, & X:HY1?

Xavier is “too sick” to appear & help out in X&SM 1 but he’s awake and intense in X2 94/2 which takes place “a day before X:HY 1”.

X:HY 1 takes place 3 days after X 66. Which leads to the timing between the X-Men’s appearances in FF:WGCM 3-4 & 11-12. Prof X is up & about in FF:WGCM placing it after X&SM 1. The series of events between issue 4 & 11 is pretty extensive, should X2 94/2 go between the X-Men’s two appearances there to make the most of the “3 days”?

I’m suggesting maybe:
X 66
SAVH2 1-4
X&SM 1
FF:WGCM 3-4
X2 94/2
FF:WGCM 11-12
X:HY 1
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Re: Savage Hulk v2 #1-6

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a. X:HY 1 (pages 1-6) is a retelling of X 66. X:HY 1 (1) = X 66 (17:4) + (18:3). X:HY 1 (5:3) = X 66 (19:6)
Page 7 occurs "Three days later" so Savage Hulk 1-4 has to fit there, along with X&SM 1 & FFWGCM but not necessarily with SMF2 9!

b. There is a flashback in T 178 missing in the MCP, showing the wizards casting a return spell.

c. I've seen from others three possible solutions for Abomination:
1. Between SS 12-FB and SS 12 (Col. Fury).
2. Between SS 12 & T 178 (fnord).
3. Between 14:5 & 14:6 of SS 12 (Straylamb).

SS 12 takes place in Britain in the northern moors, SAVH2 in the American Southwest. The first solution makes the Abomination appearance on Earth wholly unexplained. Whichever of the last two solutions, Abomination has to cross the Atlantic or travel by foot over to Southern England, jump over the English Channel (if he can jump over 21 miles), cross France, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, over the Danish straits (10 miles for Great Belt, 4 miles for Øresund), Sweden, and join the American continent by the North Pole. The Surfer would have to rest a long, long time for the Abomination to travel that distance, find and engage the Hulk, retreat due to missiles, re-engage, escape the army and start rampaging in a city where Surfer would stumble onto him a continent away. There is another odd entry in DEF2 10, a 2002 story where villains are plucked from time and space and returned. Sure, DEF2 10 takes place between IH3 24 and 50 where Abomination is in the exact same place but there is no particular reason why Abomination would need to be plucked from the past and from that time. I could not either use DEF2 10 to our advantage to explain SAVH2. Nor could I use Thor reverting time in T 178. So I suggest the least absurd placements, those that read best chronologically: the Abomination appears in a break in SS 12, maybe just after the Surfer says he needs some rest like Straylamb suggested. And DEF2 10 takes place between IH3 24 and 50, his absence was not noted because he was returned at the exact point he had been plucked.

Is there another possible break in SS 12? The most convenient way to send the Abomination from Britain to America is while he's on the Surfer's board on panel 5 page 15. It seems like he just knocks the Surfer from it but let's say they actually wrestled long enough to reach America, then after panel 3 page 16 the Abomination looks for the Hulk, is knocked out, gets captured by U.S. army, brought away from Southwest, revives to attack a city (British-looking but could be Northeastern seaboard or Canadian), is found there by the Surfer and brought back to the moors. I think this is the less unlikely scenario.

ABOMINATION/EMIL BLONSKY
IH3 25-FB
{TTA 90/2}
TTA 91/2
SS 12-FB
*SS 12 (1 - 16:3) or (1 - 14:5) add range
*SAVH2 2-FB add
*SAVH2 1 add
*SAVH2 2 add
*SS 12 (16:4 - 20) or (14:6 - 20) add
*DEF2 10 move from here
*T 178-FB add
T 178
...
IH3 24
*DEF2 10 move to here
IH3 50

ANGEL/WARREN WORTHINGTON
*X 66 (1 - 17) ----> X 66
*X:HY 1 (1) delete
*X 66 (18 - 19) delete
*X:HY 1 (5:3 - 5:4) delete
*X 66 (20) delete
*SAVH2 1 add
*SAVH2 2 add
*SAVH2 3 add
*SAVH2 4 add
X2 94/2

BEAST/HANK MCCOY
*X 66 (1 - 17) ------> X 66
*X:HY 1 (1) delete
*X 66 (18 - 19) delete
*X:HY 1 (5:3 - 5:4) delete
*X 66 (20) delete
*SAVH2 1 add
*SAVH2 2 add
*SAVH2 3 add
*SAVH2 4 add
X2 94/2

CYCLOPS/SCOTT SUMMERS
*X 66 (1 - 17) -----> X 66
*X:HY 1 (1) delete
*X 66 (18 - 19) delete
*X:HY 1 (5:3 - 5:4) delete
*X 66 (20) delete
*SAVH2 1 add
*SAVH2 2 add
*SAVH2 3 add
*SAVH2 4 add
X2 94/2

HAVOK/ALEX SUMMERS
*X 66 (1 - 19) ----> X 66
*X:HY 1 (5:3 - 5:4) delete
*X 66 (20) delete
*SAVH2 1 add
*SAVH2 2 add
*SAVH2 3 add
*SAVH2 4 add
X2 94/2

HULK/BRUCE BANNER
IH2 124 California
X 66 Las Vegas
*SAVH2 2-FB add
*SAVH2 1 add
*SAVH2 2 add
*SAVH2 3 add
*SAVH2 4 add
*SMF2 9-FB delete
*SMF2 9 NYC delete
*WWH:GC 2 (8 - 9)-FB Canada delete

IH2 125 Southwest --> upper atmosphere --> Northeast

ICEMAN/BOBBY DRAKE
*X 66 (1 - 19) -----> X 66
*X:HY 1 (5:3 - 5:4) delete
*X 66 (20) delete
*SAVH2 1 add
*SAVH2 2 add
*SAVH2 3 add
*SAVH2 4 add
X2 94/2

MARVEL GIRL/JEAN GREY
*X 66 (1 - 17) -----> X 66
*X:HY 1 (1) delete
*X 66 (18 - 19) delete
*X:HY 1 (5:3 - 5:4) delete
*X 66 (20) delete
*SAVH2 1 add
*SAVH2 2 add
*SAVH2 3 add
*SAVH2 4 add
X2 94/2
X&SM 1
*SMF2 9-FB-BTS delete
*SMF2 9 delete

FFWGCM 3

POLARIS/LORNA DANE
*X 66 (1 - 19) -----> X 66
*X:HY 1 (5:3 - 5:4) delete
*X 66 (20) delete
*SAVH2 1 add
*SAVH2 2 add
*SAVH2 3 add
*SAVH2 4 add
X2 94/2

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES FRANCIS XAVIER
*X 66 (1 - 19) -----> X 66
*X:HY 1 (5:3 - 5:4) delete
*X 66 (20) delete
*SAVH2 1 add
*SAVH2 2 add
*SAVH2 3 add
*SAVH2 4 add
X2 94/2 "30 hours after" return of Pr X
X&SM 1-BTS "days ago" after X 66
*SMF2 9-FB-BTS delete
*SMF2 9-BTS delete

FFWGCM 3
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