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Siege v2 #1-4

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:43 am
by Col_Fury
I was only going to get my notes together for this as prep, but I forgot just how much I loved this mini. Before I knew it the whole thing was done, so…

SIEGE v2 #1 (September 2015)
By Kieron Gillen, Filipe Andrade & special guests

APPEARANCES:
Breakland: Abigail Brand (also in fb), Ord (in fb), Ultron (in fb)
Bar Sinister: Endless Summers (Maj. Scott Summers, also in fb)
King James’ England: Lady Kate Bishop
Arcadia: Ms. America (Chavez)
Doomstadt: Leah, Shield/Thing/Ben Grimm (also in fb)
Unknown: Leonard da Vinci (has four arms, also bts in fb)
a divergent Kang (and his future self)

FLASHBACKS:
30 years ago: The Shield collapses under an onslaught from Ultron. Doom is said to have fixed everything with a wave of his hand; Brand is nine years old (no actual appearances here aside from Ulton, see NOTE).
10 years ago: Abigail Brand defeats Ord and is put in charge of the Shield (see NOTE).
5 years ago: the Endless Summers and da Vinci fight off a bunch of Pym-created sentient giant ant zombies.
SYNOPSIS:
Abigail Brand wakes up to another day of guarding the Shield. She prepares to meet her new commander, since her current one (Leah) is being promoted to lead the Hel-Rangers (she’s also leaving to find the missing Magik). New recruits arrive (including Ms. America) and are assigned their stations on the Shield. Later, the new assistant arrives: a foolhardy Kang. As Brand begins to let him know how things work, a future Kang arrives, apologizes for not listening to her and warns Brand of Thanos. The Shield only has twenty days left before it collapses. THERE IS NO HOPE.

NOTE:
Brand is from a Domain called Breakland. Given the “thirty years ago/ten years ago” flashbacks, this reality must have had a similar wall/shield situation like Battleworld has (it just wouldn’t have been the Thing). Battleworld has only been around for eight years, remember, so Doom wouldn’t have fixed it like described. Chalk it up to tweaked memories. Also, Brand’s been in charge of the Shield for “ten years,” so basically for the entire existence of Battleworld. Side note: it’s mentioned that Brand took over the Shield from Nick Fury.

Ms. America arrives at the Shield here, so this is after A-Force and before RSKULL 1-FB, AOUV.M/Z & SECWARSTOO /3. Lady Kate is already at the Shield, so after SECWARSJ 1 and still before those other three for Ms. Marvel.

SIEGE v2 #2 (October 2015)
By Kieron Gillen, Filipe Andrade & special guests

APPEARANCES:
Breakland: Abigail Brand (also in fb), Fury/Nick Fury (also in fb)
Bar Sinister: Endless Summers
Perfection: Unite
King James’ England: Lady Katherine Bishop
Arcadia: Ms. America (Chavez)
Doomstadt: Leah (also in fb), Shield/Thing/Ben Grimm (also in fbs)
Unknown: Magik (in fb), Colossus (in fb)
Unknown: Leonardo da Vinci
Unknown: Kitty Pride (a pride of talking blue cats)
a divergent Kang
a Tigra with wings

FLASHBACKS:
Magik arrived at the Shield and made a great impression on the first day. Also, she and Leah fall in love (relatively recently). Shortly after Beast died, there’s another attack on the Shield (a while back). Nick Fury gives Abigail Brand some advice (before Brand is put in charge of the Shield).
SYNOPSIS:
Leah leaves the Shield to search for Magik. Fifteen days later, Kang reports (and taunts Brand with) that he’s lost contact with the Hel-Rangers, and that he’s going to be promoted to lead a new team. The Endless Summers stops Brand from shooting Kang. Leonardo repots he hasn’t found the Thanos they were warned about yet. Brand asks Unite about Thanos, but they warn her about an impending attack instead. They go outside to see what it is, and Brand is dismayed to see it’s a Nick Fury transformed into a Fury. HE KILLS SUPER HEROES.

NOTE:
This Magik is said to come from Limbo, but this isn’t the one from Inferno. This one’s brother (Colossus) is a werewolf with four arms (Magik has the normal amount of arms).

The Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet v2 is mentioned, meaning that mini takes place at the same time as this issue. That’s not how the map has it, but there’s no character overlap so it doesn’t really affect anything.

Beast (Brand’s former boyfriend) is mentioned but doesn’t appear. He was the commander before Leah arrived. No clue as to what Domain he was from. Also, Brand was forced to kill him when he went past the Shield and came back transformed.

SIEGE v2 #3 (November 2015)
By Kieron Gillen, Filipe Andrade & special guests

APPEARANCES:
Breakland: Abigail Brand, Fury/Nick Fury
Bar Sinister: Endless Summers
Doomstadt: Shield/Thing/Ben Grimm, Leah
King James’ England: Lady Katherine
Arcadia: Ms. America (Chavez)
Perfection: Unite
Unknown: Leonardo da Vinci
Unknown: Magik, Colossus
Unknown: Kitty Pride, Lockheed
a divergent Kang
Thanos

SYNOPSIS:
Brand throws everyone at the Fury but it doesn’t work. She confronts Unite, who admit they gave a signal to Perfection so the Fury could attack. They realize their mistake (because now they’ll soon die as well) and offer their help. Brand releases Unite and one tries to stop the Fury, but fails and is killed. The other, with it’s lover gone, feels like a suicide mission is in order. It hacks the Fury to accompany Kang into the time stream; Kang runs the Fury into every temporal mine in their way. Leah returns with Magik and they help defeat the rest of the Perfection drones. Kang returns, having defeated the Fury. Thanos arrives, announces who he is and surrenders. ONE DAY LEFT.

NOTE:
Leah is from Hel. All the major Asgardian landmarks are in Doomstadt (see Futuree Imprtfect), so it’s a safe assumption Leah is from Hel, Doomstadt (you know; like Chicago, Illinois).

SIEGE v2 #4 (December 2015)
By Kieron Gillen, Filipe Andrade & special guests

APPEARANCES:
Breakland: Abigail Brand
Bar Sinister: Endless Summers
Doomstadt: Shield/Thing/Ben Grimm
King James’ England: Lady Katherine
Arcadia: Ms. America (Chavez)
Unknown: Vitruvian Man (Leonardo da Vinci & Michelangelo, see NOTE)
Unknown: Kitty Pride, Lockheed
a divergent Kang
Fantastic Thors: Thor/Sue Storm, Thor/Johnny Storm, Thor/Ben Grimm, Thor/Reed Richards
various zombies
Thanos

SYNOPSIS:
Brand throws Thanos in a cell. When they leave him alone Thanos starts a conversation with Ben Grimm, the Shield. Soon after, Thanos is interrogated; he tells them he’s spent some time south of the Shield, organized the various aggressive armies with each other, he’s responsible for the recent attacks on the Shield and the newest attack will happen now. As Brand calls in reinforcements and everyone fights the oncoming siege, Thanos continues his conversation with Grimm. Thanos eventually convinces Grimm that Doom isn’t god and reality isn’t what it should be, then ask Grimm what time it is. Suddenly, the Shield collapses as Ben stands up (he’s really tall, like, a mile tall). As he walks to Doomstadt his voice sounds “like a chain of thunderclaps” when he shouts “It’s Clobberin’ Time.” Thanos leaves to fight Doom. Kang leaves to warn their past selves. Ms. America and Lady Kate escape. Abigail Brand and the Endless Summers stay behind to die while facing the oncoming horde. NOTHING LASTS FOREVER.

NOTE:
When the Shield guards do a good job, Brand gets them pizza. She doesn’t say “good job” or anything, just gets them pizza. SECWARSTOO /3 should happen before this, because Lady Kate doesn’t know what pizza is yet there; she already knows here. Brand does finally say something nice to Summers at the end, though.

Leonardo da Vinci has four arms and four legs because he’s actually been two people the whole time.

Lots of mentioned characters here that don’t actually appear: the magpie-faced boy; Galact-USA the Great Consumer; Jack of Hearts the cardiac golem; the Winter Soldiers, the Springmaster’s seasonal Circus; the Serpent Society (has opened their membership to other reptilian species); Eardevil the Klawyer; and Squirrel Girl.

Part of the Thanos/Thing conversation is mirrored in SECWARS 6. Here’s how the two comics fit together:

SIEGE2 4 (1 - 7)
Thing & Thanos
SECWARS 6 (1 - 23)
Thing & Thanos
SIEGE2 4 (8)
Thing & Thanos
SECWARS 6 (24:1)
Thing & Thanos
SECWARS 6 (24:2 - 24:5) ~ SIEGE2 4 (9:1 - 9:2)
Thing & Thanos
SIEGE2 4 (9:3 - 13:3)
Thing & Thanos
SECWARS 6 (24:6) ~ SIEGE2 4 (13:4 - 13:5)
Thing & Thanos
SIEGE2 4 (13:6 - 14)
Thing & Thanos
SECWARS6 (25)
Thing, Thanos BTS
SIEGE2 4 (15 - 21)
Thing & Thanos

Thanos implies that he and Thing are from the same reality (616) in both of these comics. Sue has memories of a reality without a Reed Richards in SECWARS 6. It could be taken that those are tampered memories, and that Ben and Sue are both the 616 versions. However, Tom Brevoort has said they aren’t, so Sue’s memories in SECWRS 6 are real.

Chronologies!

THANOS
……
[SECWARS 5]
*SIEGE2 3 (remove brackets)
**[SIEGE2 4] (delete)
**[SECWARS 6] (delete)
*SIEGE2 4 (1 - 7)
*SECWARS 6 (1 - 23)
*SIEGE2 4 (8)
*SECWARS 6 (24:1)
*SECWARS 6 (24:2 - 24:5) ~ SIEGE2 4 (9:1 - 9:2)
*SIEGE2 4 (9:3 - 13:3)
*SECWARS 6 (24:6) ~ SIEGE2 4 (13:4 - 13:5)
*SIEGE2 4 (13:6 - 14)
*SECWARS6 (25)-BTS
*SIEGE2 4 (15 - 21)
[SECWARS 8]

Alternate Realities page:

BRAND, CMDR. ABIGAIL | BREAKLAND-VERSE
*SIEGE2 2-FB
*{SIEGE2 1-FB}
*SIEGE2 1
RSKULL 1-FB
RSKULL 3
*SIEGE2 2
*SIEGE2 3
*SIEGE2 4

FURY/NICK FURY | BREAKLAND-VERSE
SIEGE2 2-FB
SIEGE2 2
SIEGE2 3

ORD | BREAKLAND-VERSE
SIEGE2 1-FB

ULTRON | BREAKLAND-VERSE
SIEGE2 1-FB

VITRUVIAN MAN/LEONARDO DA VINCI & MICHELANGELO BUONARROTI | ENLIGHTENED-VERSE
SIEGE2 1-FB-BTS
SIEGE2 1
SIEGE2 2
SIEGE2 3
SIEGE2 4

COLOSSUS/PETER RASPUTIN | LIMBO-VERSE
SIEGE2 2-FB
SIEGE2 3

MAGIK/ILLYANA RASPUTIN | LIMBO-VERSE
SIEGE2 2-FB
SIEGE2 3

LOCKHEED | TALKING ANIMALS-VERSE
SIEGE2 3
SIEGE2 4

PRIDE, KITTY | TALKING ANIMALS-VERSE
SIEGE2 2
SIEGE2 3
SIEGE2 4

EARTH-311 (AD 1602)

ARROWHEAD/LADY KATHERINE BISHOP | EARTH-311
SECWARSJ 1
*SIEGE2 1
SECWARSTOO /3
*SIEGE2 2
*SIEGE2 3
*SIEGE2 4

EARTH-6311 (Other-Earth)

KANG THE FOOLHARDY | EARTH-6311
SIEGE2 1
SIEGE2 2
SIEGE2 3
SIEGE2 4
SIEGE2 1

EARTH-15513

LEAH | EARTH-15513
SIEGE2 2-FB
{SIEGE2 1}
SIEGE2 2
SIEGE2 3

THING/BEN GRIMM/”THE SHIELD” | EARTH-15513
*SIEGE2 1-FB
M/Z6 4-FB
M/Z6 1
*SIEGE2 2 (8 - 9)-FB
SECWARSJ 4-FB
SECWARSJ 4
*SIEGE2 2 (2 - 3)-FB
AOUV.M/Z 3-FB
AFOR 1
AFOR 4
AFOR 5
*SIEGE2 1
RSKULL 1-FB
RSKULL 1
RSKULL 3
AOUV.M/Z 1
AOUV.M/Z 2
SECWARSTOO /3
SQSIN 4
*SIEGE2 2
*SIEGE2 3
*SIEGE2 4 (1 - 7)
*SECWARS 6 (1 - 23)
*SIEGE2 4 (8)
*SECWARS 6 (24:1)
*SECWARS 6 (24:2 - 24:5) ~ SIEGE2 4 (9:1 - 9:2)
*SIEGE2 4 (9:3 - 13:3)
*SECWARS 6 (24:6) ~ SIEGE2 4 (13:4 - 13:5)
*SIEGE2 4 (13:6 - 14)
*SECWARS6 (25)
*SIEGE2 4 (15 - 21)

EARTH-16191

MS. AMERICA/AMERICA CHAVEZ EARTH-16191
AFOR 1
*SIEGE2 1
RSKULL 1-FB
AOUV.M/Z 2
SECWARSTOO /3
*SIEGE2 2
*SIEGE2 3
*SIEGE2 4

EARTH-21261

UNITE/UNIT & UNIT | EARTH-21261
SIEGE2 2
SIEGE2 3

EARTH-21919

ENDLESS SUMMERS/MAJ. SCOTT SUMMERS | EARTH-21919
*SIEGE2 1-FB
*SIEGE2 1
AOUV.M/Z 2
*SIEGE2 2
*SIEGE2 3
*SIEGE2 4

Re: Siege v2 #1-4

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:19 pm
by Somebody
Col_Fury wrote:
Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:43 am
Fantastic Thors: Thor/Sue Storm, Thor/Johnny Storm, Thor/Ben Grimm, Thor/Reed Richards
[...]
There were no Reed Richards on Battleworld except the MU Mr Fantastic and Ultimate Maker on the "liferafts":
http://www.cbr.com/hickman-brevoort-dis ... et-wars-4/
CBR:...the Doom-Reed Richards rivalry reignited when Doom discovered Reed was still alive. When that happened Doom mentions that there are no other Reeds on Battleworld. Was that a coincidence?

Hickman: This doesn’t have anything to do with “Secret Wars,” but we’ve joked before about how “Secret Wars” is like issue #145 through whatever of an ongoing story that I’ve been telling. [Laughs] So there’s a reason why there aren’t any other Reeds around. You can buy those back issues at comiXology or Marvel Unlimited!

Brevoort: We wiped out a lot of Reeds years ago!

CBR: [Laughs] Right, in the early issues of Jonathan’s “Fantastic Four” run. I forgot about that.
SECWARS 4 - No Reeds.jpg
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Re: Siege v2 #1-4

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:55 pm
by Col_Fury
Yup. However, there they are in SIEGE2 4, named the Fantastic Thors and everything. There's an invisible lady, a stretchy guy, etc. I mean, that's clearly who they are.

It's possible that the Fantastic Thors were already Thors in whatever reality they came from before Battleworld (meaning, they weren't necessarily members of the Thorsgard/Doomgard/whatever it was called), and for some reason that's why Doom never found them. I guess.

*shrug*

Re: Siege v2 #1-4

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:39 am
by Somebody
Col_Fury wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:55 pm
Yup. However, there they are in SIEGE2 4, named the Fantastic Thors and everything. There's an invisible lady, a stretchy guy, etc. I mean, that's clearly who they are.

It's possible that the Fantastic Thors were already Thors in whatever reality they came from before Battleworld (meaning, they weren't necessarily members of the Thorsgard/Doomgard/whatever it was called), and for some reason that's why Doom never found them. I guess.

*shrug*
I don't see names given on-panel. And elsewhere on Battleworld, we have examples where the F4 included Sue & Johnny's dad instead of Reed, another one where General Ross is the Thing, etc.

Using the MU F4's names is insupportable.

Re: Siege v2 #1-4

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:11 am
by Col_Fury
They're called the "Fantastic Thors" in the narration caption. They're obviously analogues to those characters, just as Thors…

I don't think we should make up names and call them INVISIBLE THOR, THOR TORCH, THING THOR or whatever.

THOR/INVISIBLE WOMAN, THOR/MR. FANTASTIC, etc. maybe?

Re: Siege v2 #1-4

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:36 am
by Somebody
Frankly, if they don't get individual names, just skip them. Same as any other unnamed character.