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Re: the TWELVE 1 Index

Post by wolframbane » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:04 am

In TWELVE 1, the real names of most of the heroes were given. The names for Phantom Reporter, Mister E, Dynamic Man, Fiery Mask, Laughing Mask, Black Widow and Master Mind Excello were the same as the names given during their Golden Age stories (although Mister E was mistakenly mentioned as Vince Jay in TWELVE 1, but this was corrected as Victor Jay in TWELVE 3 (and subsequently Victor J. Goldstein). Rockman and Electro don;t have real names, and Witness wasn't talking.

Blue Blade was given as Roy Chambers. Was this mentioned in his first appearance in USA COMICS 5/5?

Captain Wonder was given as Professor Steve Jordan. According to some sites, such as http://internationalhero.co.uk/c/captainwonder.htm some say his name was only given as Professor Jordan, some as Jeff Jordan. Does anyone know which is correct? Also it should be noted in the flashback in TWELVE 2, his wife calls him Earl.

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Re: the TWELVE 1

Post by ShadZ » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:02 pm

Somebody wrote:Now, this will sound like semantics, but... is there any evidence that the Miss Fury comic DIDN'T occur in the MU *as well as* the PH Earth?
AFAIK, there is no hard evidence that the 1940's Miss Fury comic happened on Earth-616 (by hard evidence, I mean things like Roy Thomas saying it did in an Invaders letter column, or Capitan America guest-starring in a Miss Fury story). Unless her appearance in The Twelve #1 was supposed to be that hard evidence...

There is some "soft" evidence that the Miss Fury comic may be Earth-616 -- like the fact that Timely did publish it, and nothing about the stories conflicts with Earth-616 cosmology (AFAIK). But I think all that soft evidence is wiped out by the fact that it was a licensed title, and the general presumption* is that licensed titles are not Earth-616 unless there is hard evidence.

*NOTE: This is MY general presumption. I don't know if the Chronology Project board actually shares it...
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Re: the TWELVE 1

Post by Somebody » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:24 pm

I'm not suggesting (unless further evidence is presented) listing the whole of Miss Fury's backstory right now. My point is that we have entries for MU-native versions of Clark Kent, Lois Lane (reporters) and Hal Jordan (mental patient convinced he has a power ring) amongst others (not to mention the slightly suspicious Fastforward/"Buried Alien"...). It wouldn't be a stretch to list her as what she's clearly intended to be unless it's shown to be impossible. I don't see off the top of my head any reason why that should be the case.

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Re: the TWELVE 1

Post by SeanCurtin » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:54 pm

ShadZ wrote:There is some "soft" evidence that the Miss Fury comic may be Earth-616 -- like the fact that Timely did publish it, and nothing about the stories conflicts with Earth-616 cosmology (AFAIK). But I think all that soft evidence is wiped out by the fact that it was a licensed title, and the general presumption* is that licensed titles are not Earth-616 unless there is hard evidence.
I think the fact that Miss Fury has now appeared in a Marvel Universe comic would count as "hard evidence" (assuming that that was her in THE TWELVE). I really don't see why we ought to assume that Miss Fury traveled from another universe to appear in THE TWELVE; the only evidence that Miss Fury isn't a MU character is her appearance in a comic that wasn't even published by Marvel. Dark Horse's Conan comics don't invalidate the MU-canonicity of Marvel's Conan comics.

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Re: the TWELVE 1

Post by wolframbane » Thu May 01, 2008 1:05 am

Black Widow and Electro are apparently part of an as yet unseen GA era group, which also includes Captain Terror, Silver Scorpion, Black Avenger and Challenger, according to the new Invaders/Avengers series. http://www.comicboards.com/invaders/att ... rs-001.jpg
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Re: the TWELVE 1

Post by loki » Thu May 01, 2008 2:17 am

wolframbane wrote:Black Widow and Electro are apparently part of an as yet unseen GA era group, which also includes Captain Terror, Silver Scorpion, Black Avenger and Challenger, according to the new Invaders/Avengers series. http://www.comicboards.com/invaders/att ... rs-001.jpg
http://www.comicboards.com/invaders/att ... rs-001.jpg
http://www.comicboards.com/invaders/att ... rs-002.jpg
Perhaps, perhaps not - there's lots of speculation online that the group we see in the Sketchbook are the modern-day Avengers disguised as Golden Age heroes.

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