lkseitz wrote:The problem is that this implies the Ronins were somehow different, when in fact (except for the last one) they were the same, just with different people at the controls.
That's a good point. Lemme think...
lkseitz wrote:The Shogun Warrior robots also have their own entries. (Full disclosure: I submitted them.) Personally, even though Combatra was piloted by a kid for one issue, I don't want to see that as a separate entry.
lkseitz wrote:My feeling is that fans feel certain creations, even if not sentient, have a life of their own. Just take a look at the entries for Awesome Android (okay, he became sentient for a while), Devil Dinosaur, and Zabu.
I can see where you're coming from here. However, Devil Dinosaur & Zabu are thinking creatures. Red Ronin doesn't think. BUT
, Red Ronin in itself would be something fans would want to track, and splitting up the entries would be
Paul Bourcier wrote:A Red Ronin appeared in THUNDERBOLTS #107.
That's it! For one panel during the wellspring business. Hrm, I wonder who's piloting him?
What about something like this:
RED RONIN [ROBOT]
GZILL 6 (pilot: Rob Takiguchi)
A 197 (pilot: Dr. Earl Cowan)
SOLOA 15/2 (pilot: Joe Kilman)
W '96 (pilot: Tsu Fwon)
TB 107 (pilot: ???)
I kind of like this idea. It makes it clear that it's the same robot but with different people controlling it. It also allows to include appearances where it's not clear who the pilot is, like in TB 107. I suppose the same idea could be used for the Shogun Warrior robots. Thoughts?
I read an entry by Jess Nevins (http://ratmmjess.tripod.com/ga/golde.html
), saying Prof. Zog recruited others who could control Electro as well. If this is true -- you'd probably know better than I -- giving Electro multiple entries for each one could get very complicated.
That would get complicated!
My thinking is, how we handle Iron Man is a template for how to handle Electro. More or less, they're the same type of character. The difference is, the Electro robot is controlled from afar while the Iron Man suit is controlled from within.(usually) When Tony Stark quits being Iron Man, a new Iron Man entry is created.(Jim Rhodes, as an example) But if Tony just lends out an Iron Man suit for an issue or so, we don't create a new entry for that.(Bethany Cabe in IM 300, as an example. She's not Iron Man V, even though she used an Iron Man suit) I would think the same would go for Electro/Zog. He might lend out the robot for an issue, but he hasn't quit controlling Electro.
Now, if Electro becomes sentient during the course of the Twelve... would we then split up Electro/Zog? It would be the same Electro robot that it always had been, but it's now revealed to think for itself.(if that's what happens) When Iron Man's suit did that, only the issues where it's sentient has a separate listing. Or would Electro then become comparable to Venom/Eddie Brock?
This is what keeps me up at night.
Paul Bourcier wrote:
You're not crazy...at least about this.
You're right. THIS
is why I'm crazy.