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Avengers 1959

Post by Leoparis » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:12 pm

New Avengers #9
The story starts in Cuba in 1959
pp 1-9, 22
Nick Fury
Dum Dum Dugan
Gabe Jones
General Hill

Fury tracks Nazis and kills them with Dum Dum and Gabe (1-9). He's recruited by General Hill for another mission (22).

New Avengers #10
1959, Madripoor, Paris, Florida, Boston
pp 1-3, 7-9, 14-16, 19-20
Nick Fury, Dum Dum Dugan, Sabretooth, Dominic Fortune, Namora, Kraven, Ulysses Bloodstone; Ernst Sablinova

Fury and Dugan recruit Creed in Madripoor (1-3), Fortune in Paris (7-9), Namora and Kraven in Florida (14-16), Ulysses Bloodstone and Ernst Sablinova in Boston (19-20)

New Avengers #11
1959, Helsingborg, Sweden
pages 3-4, 8-16, 20-22
Nick Fury, Sabretooth, Dominic Fortune, Namora, Kraven, Ulysses Bloodstone; Ernst Sablinova, Red Skull, Captain America

Fury and his Nazi hunting team storm a castle where they face Red Skull and Captain America.

New Avengers #12
1959, Helsingborg, Sweden
pages 3-7, 11-21
Nick Fury, Sabretooth, Dominic Fortune, Namora, Kraven, Ulysses Bloodstone; Ernst Sablinova, Red Skull, Captain America

Fury and his team fight the Nazis. The Red Skull is decapitated by Sabretooth.

New Avengers #13
1959, London, Cuba
pages 8-9, 19
Dominic Fortune, Nick Fury, General Hill

Dominic Fortune is debriefed in London (8-9). Fury reports to Hill in Cuba (19).

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Re: Avengers 1959

Post by Leoparis » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:49 pm

Chronologies

Nick Fury,
He appears here after Theater of War America First (1956) and before the Secret Warriors #25-26 flashback occurring in 1961 (missing from the current chronology).
I don't know when M/:LG 9 and M/:LG 10 take place but I think it's close to modern times (late 20th century)
Same for W/NF-FB

Gabe Jones
after SGTF@ 1 (Korea War)
FURY 1-FB-BTS (not sure when this takes place)
before AC 4/2 (start of the modern era, Gabe Jones checks that Rogers is indeed the wartime Cap after he unfroze)

Dum Dum Dugan
after SGTF@ 1 (Korea War)
FURY 1-FB-BTS (?)
before FF@ 3 (modern era)

Sabretooth
I'm unfamiliar with this character's back story and there thirty flashbacks

Dominic Fortune
after M/PRM 56 which occurs in 1938 from what I recall (and I'm surprised to see it so late in the chronology)
before M/TU 120 which occurs in modern time

Missing from the chrono is the 2009 Dominic Fortune mini-series (set in the 1930s)

Namora,
The relevant chrono is this part:
SUB-MARINER COMICS 42 (1955, last Golden Age appearance)
CV2 1 (1953 flashback, out of place?)
M/:LG 2 (1958 from what I recall)
ATLAS 1-FB (don't know when this takes place)
{SUB-M 33-FB}
N 20-FB (don't know when this takes place)
M/:LG 3 (1961?)
SUB-M 51-FB
SUB-M 50 first appearance in modern era but in flasback

There are also flashback stories of the Agents of Atlas to take into account.

Kraven,
The relevant part is this one but I don't know when any of these flashbacks occur:
ASM 389-FB
ASM 375/4-FB
SENSM '96-FB
[WOSM2 7-FB]
[WOSM2 7]
S-M 50/2
SENSM '96 (modern era, just before ASM15)

Ulysses Bloodstone
M/U 4-7 (in 1958 ?)
M/:LG 2 (1958)
add: New Avengers Vol 2 #9-12 FB (1959)
add: Strange Tales 73 (Feb 1960)
add: Tales of Suspense 9 (May 1960)

NW:AOH 8 (7:1 - 7:4)-FB (as father to Elsa Bloodstone, so late 20th century)


Ernst Sablinova
No idea when the flashbacks take place in his chrono

Red Skull
This is not the original but might be a previously seen Nazi imposter. It's not Malik the communist Red Skull.

Captain America
This is the only appearance of this one. He recognizes Fury though so he might have founght him before.

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Re: Avengers 1959

Post by wolframbane » Sat May 05, 2012 3:33 am

Leoparis wrote: Nick Fury,
He appears here after Theater of War America First (1956) and before the Secret Warriors #25-26 flashback occurring in 1961 (missing from the current chronology).
I don't know when M/:LG 9 and M/:LG 10 take place but I think it's close to modern times (late 20th century)
M/:LG 9 took place in 1980 and M/:LG 10 took place in the early 1980s.

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Re: Avengers 1959

Post by Col_Fury » Sat May 05, 2012 6:31 pm

The Secret Warriors #25-26 flashbacks take place circa Fantastic Four #1 (which was published in 1961), not in 1961-absolute.
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Re: Avengers 1959

Post by Leoparis » Mon May 07, 2012 3:20 pm

How do you figure that out?
There's no reference to FF #1 and there are 1961 indicators.

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Re: Avengers 1959

Post by Leoparis » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:30 pm

#1
Autumn 1959
Nick Fury
Ulysses Bloodstone
Kraven
Namora
Sabretooth
Ernst Sablinova
Dominic Fortune
Blonde Phantom
Dieter Skul
Sydenham
Powell McTeague

#2
Powell McTeague
Nick Fury
Eric Koenig
Blonde Phantom [Louise Mason]
Dieter Skul
Dum Dum Dugan
General Sam Hill
Geoffrey Sydenham
Baron Blood
Brain Drain
Kraven
Sabretooth
Dominic Fortune
Namora

#3
Sabretooth [Victor Creed]
Kraven the Hunter [Sergei Kravinoff]
Namora [Aquaria Nautica Neptunia]
Dominic Fortune
Baron Blood
Brain Drain
General Frank Hill
Senator Sanford
Geoffrey Sydenham
Powell McTeague
Nick Fury
Blonde Phantom [Louise Mason]
K'Tela
Howard Stark

Axis Annie
Madame Mauser
Fraulein Fatale
Penny Panzer

#4
Sabretooth [Victor Creed]
Dominic Fortune
Namora [Aquaria Nautica Neptunia]
Kraven the Hunter [Sergei Kravinoff]
Blonde Phantom [Louise Mason]
Nick Fury
Powell McTeague
Axis Annie
Madame Mauser
Fraulein Fatale
Penny Panzer
General Frank Hill
Geoffrey Sydenham
Senator Sanford
Innsbruck
Gorilla-Man
Dieter Skul
Count von Blitzkrieg

#5
Sabretooth [Victor Creed]
Dominic Fortune
Namora [Aquaria Nautica Neptunia]
Kraven the Hunter [Sergei Kravinoff]
Blonde Phantom [Louise Mason]
Nick Fury
Doctorangutan
Fritz Kron
Count von Blitzkrieg
General Dieter Skul
Leopard Woman
Vunderknight
Powell McTeague
Geoffrey Sydenham
Senator Harte
Geist
Baron Blood
Brain Drain
Spider Queen
Hollow Men
General Hill
Dum Dum Dugan
Erik Koenig
Prince T'Chaka

Nick Fury
CATOW:AF
*NA2 9
*NA2 10
*NA2 11
*NA2 12
*NA2 13
*A1959 1
*A1959 2
*A1959 3
*A1959 4
*A1959 5
*SECWARR 25 FB
*SECWARR 26 FB
*SGTF@ 4-FB (1967)
M/:LG 9 (1980)

Gabe Jones
SGTF@ 1 (Korea War)
*NA2 9
*SGTF@ 4-FB (1967)
AC 4/2

Dum Dum Dugan
SGTF@ 1 (Korea War)
*NA2 9
*NA2 10
*A1959 2
*A1959 5
*SGTF@ 4-FB (1967)
FF@ 3

Sabretooth
*NA2 10
*NA2 11
*NA2 12
*A1959 1
*A1959 2
*A1959 3
*A1959 4
*A1959 5

Dominic Fortune
M/SH3 3-FB (early 30s)
*Dominic Fortune 1 (1935)
*Dominic Fortune 2
*Dominic Fortune 3 (1936)
*Dominic Fortune 4
*Astonishing Tales Dominic Fortune 1 (March 1937)
*Astonishing Tales Dominic Fortune 2
*Astonishing Tales Dominic Fortune 3
*Astonishing Tales Dominic Fortune 4
*Astonishing Tales Dominic Fortune 5
*Astonishing Tales Dominic Fortune 6
{M/PRV 2/2} (1938)
M/SA 1/4 (March 3, 1938)
HMAG 21/2
HMAG 22/2
HMAG 23/3
HMAG 24/2
HMAG 25/3
delete *M/PRV 20 (reprint of M/PRV 2/2)
delete *M/PRV 20/2 (reprint of M/SA 1/4)
M/PRM 56 (1938)
WOSM 71-FB (May 1940)
delete *WOSM 72-FB
*M/SH3 3-FB (late 1940)
*WOSM 71-FB (1943, postwar)
*NA2 10 (1959)
*NA2 11
*NA2 12
*NA2 13
*A1959 1
*A1959 2
*A1959 3
*A1959 4
*A1959 5
M/TU 120

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Re: Avengers 1959

Post by Leoparis » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:04 pm

Kraven
WOSM2 7 (1930s)
S-M 50/2
*NA2 10
*NA2 11
*NA2 12
*A1959 1
*A1959 2
*A1959 3
*A1959 4
*A1959 5
SENSM '96

Ulysses Bloodstone
M/:LG 2
*NA2 10
*NA2 11
*NA2 12
*A1959 1
NW:AOH 8 (7:1 - 7:4)-FB

Ernst Sablinova
CV 1-FB
*NA2 10
*NA2 11
*NA2 12
*A1959 1
SSWP 34-FB

Red Skull Imposter (Nazi, postwar)
CV 1-FB
*NA2 10
*NA2 11
*NA2 12 (dies)

General Hill (Sam or Frank)
*NA2 9
*NA2 13
*A1959 2
*A1959 3
*A1959 4
*A1959 5

Captain America Nazi imposter
*NA2 11
*NA2 12 (dies)

Blonde Phantom
Marvel Mystery Comics 91
*A1959 1
*A1959 2
*A1959 3
*A1959 4
*A1959 5
S-H2 2

Geoffrey Sydenham
*A1959 1
*A1959 2
*A1959 3
*A1959 4
*A1959 5

Dieter Skul
*A1959 1
*A1959 2
*A1959 4
*A1959 5

Powell McTeague
*A1959 1
*A1959 2
*A1959 3
*A1959 4
*A1959 5

Eric Koenig
SGTF 71-BTS |cf SGTF 79|
*A1959 2
*A1959 5
SGTF@ 4-FB (1967)

Baron Blood
CA 601-FB-BTS (1945)
*A1959 2
*A1959 3
*A1959 5
UJ 2-FB
CA 253-FB

Brain Drain
INV 2
*Miss America 70th anniversary special
*A1959 2
*A1959 3
*A1959 5
AF 108

Axis Annie
*Miss America 70th anniversary special
*A1959 3
*A1959 4

Madame Mauser
*Miss America 70th anniversary special
*A1959 3
*A1959 4

Fraulein Fatale
*Miss America 70th anniversary special
*A1959 3
*A1959 4

Penny Panzer
*Miss America 70th anniversary special
*A1959 3
*A1959 4

Gorilla-Man
ATLAS 2-FB
*A1959 4
NFHC 1

Count von Blitzkrieg
*A1959 4
*A1959 5

[All these charcaters appear only once]
Doctorangutan
Fritz Kron
Leopard Woman
Vunderknight
Spider Queen
Hollow Men
*A1959 5

Geist
W2 19-FB (postwar)
*A1959 5
W2 18-FB
{W2 17}

Prince T'Chaka
*Astonishing Tales Dominic Fortune 5 (1937)
*Astonishing Tales Dominic Fortune 5 (1937)
...
*A1959 5 (1959)

Red Skull
ToS 66 (5:3-5) (Hitler decides to recruit Schmidt)
*RSI 5 (19-20) Schmidt in SS uniform as bodyguard to Hitler in the wake of the Night of Long Knives)
*[Z:BB 3] (Schmidt is Hitler's bodyguard)
*[Z:BB 4] (idem)
*Astonishing Tales Dominic Fortune 4 (1937, not Red Skull yet)
*Astonishing Tales Dominic Fortune 5
ToS 66 (5:6-7 - 7) Hitler dissatisfied with Schmidt's training, turns him into Red Skull

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Re: Avengers 1959

Post by loki » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:01 pm

Fritz Kron previously appeared in Captain America Comics #15 and Leopard Woman in Captain America Comics #36.

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Re: Avengers 1959

Post by Leoparis » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:59 pm

Thanks, So I guess Count Von Blitzkrieg and the others are from past comics. I'll search for their names. It's likely the writer took characters from a reference work, like a handbook. Is there one that lists Nazis?

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Re: Avengers 1959

Post by loki » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:40 am

Leoparis wrote:Thanks, So I guess Count Von Blitzkrieg and the others are from past comics.
Not necessarily. Some were, some were not, at least as far as I can tell.
Leoparis wrote: I'll search for their names. It's likely the writer took characters from a reference work, like a handbook. Is there one that lists Nazis?
The handbook writers were asked if they could supply a list of Nazis who could have been around post-war, for use in the Avengers 1959 stories. Kron/Krone and Leopard Woman were on it, which is why I know where they appeared before. Not everyone on the list was used, and the writer also used others who were not on the list - some of those would presumably have been original creations.

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Re: Avengers 1959

Post by Leoparis » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:38 am

Count von Blitzkrieg
COC 1
*A1959 4
*A1959 5

Doctorangutan
Agent X 11
*A1959 5

Fritz Kron
Captain America Comics #15
*A1959 5

Leopard Woman
Captain America Comics #36
*A1959 5

Vunderknight (aka Vunder Knight, Wunder Knight, Wonder Knight, mentioned in relation to Baron Von Blitzschlag from Avengers: The Initiative Annual 1, but no appearance that I know of)
*A1959 5

Spider Queen
INV2 4
*A1959 5

Hollow Men
All Winners 1
*A1959 5

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