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Uncanny Origins #13

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UNCANNY ORIGINS #13 (September 1997)
By Bob Budiansky & M.C. Wyman

Pages 1-2 & 22 are the framing sequence; Daredevil swings over the city, gets distracted by sparring boxers, then makes his way to a ceremony where he gets the “Lawyer of the Year” award. Daredevil, Foggy and Karen appear.

At the time this was published, Karen was a radio talk show host and Matt was working as a lawyer.

Pages 3-21 are flashbacks that basically retell DD 1-FB & DD 1. Here’s how it shakes out:

DD 1 (5:3-5:6)-FB (at home, Jack tells young Matt to study, not to roughhouse, his mom’s dead, he’s a broken down old man, Matt could be a doctor or lawyer, etc.)
UO 13 (3-4:1)-FB (Matt watches Jack spar & Jack gives Matt the same advice he gave him in DD 1 (5:3-5:6)-FB, but this time at the gym)
DD 1 (6:1-6:2)-FB (in high school, Matt gets good grades but yearns to play sports)
DD 1 (6:3-7:3)-FB (neighborhood kids taunt Matt and call him Daredevil, Matt secretly works out at home, his dad tells him he’s doing a good job in school)
UO 13 (4:2-5:2)-FB (retells DD 1 (6:3-7:3)-FB, same setting, same dialogue)
DD 1 (7:4)-FB (Jack tells Matt his mother would have been proud of him)
DD 1 (7:5)-FB (Jack worries how he’ll pay for Matt’s college tuition)
UO 13 (5:3)-FB (retells DD 1 (7:5)-FB)
UO 13 (5:4)-FB (Jack thinks he might be able to fight for the Fixer)
DD 1 (7:6)-FB (Jack decides to fight for the Fixer)
DD 1 (8:1-8:3)-FB (Jack signs a contract with the Fixer)
UO 13 (5:5-5:6)-FB (retells DD 1 (8:1-8:3)-FB)
DD 1 (8:4)-FB (Jack walks home)
DD 1 (8:5)-FB (Jack wants to tell Matt that he’s boxing again, but Matt’s not home)
UO 13 (6:1)-FB (retells DD 1 (8:5)-FB)
DD 1 (8:6-9:2)-FB (Matt decides to stop a blind man from getting run over by a radioactive waste truck)
UO 13 (6:2-6:3)-FB (retells DD 1 (8:6-9:2)-FB)
UO 13 (6:4)-FB (Matt shoves the blind man out of the way)
DD 1 (9:3-9:4)-FB (the old man is saved)
UO 13 (6:5-6:6)-FB (retells DD 1 (9:3-9:4)-FB)
DD 1 (9:5)-FB (Matt in the hospital)
UO 13 (7:1)-FB (retells DD 1 (9:5)-FB)
UO 13 (7:2-7:4)-FB (Jack tells Matt he can still be smart, even if he’s blind)
DD 1 (9:6)-FB (Matt’s released from the hospital)
UO 13 (8:1)-FB (Jack offers to help Matt with his Braille lessons)
DD 1 (10:1-10:2)-FB (Matt continues to work out)
UO 13 (8:2)-FB (retells DD 1 (10:1-10:2)-FB)
DD 1 (10:3-10:4)-FB (Matt & Foggy in college)
DD 1 (10:5-11:2)-FB (Matt practices using his enhanced senses)
UO 13 (8:3-9:1)-FB (retells DD 1 (10:5-11:1)-FB)
DD 1 (11:3-11:4)-FB (Jack starts winning a bunch of fights)
UO 13 (9:2-9:3)-FB (retells DD 1 (11:2-11:3)-FB)
DD 1 (11:5)-FB (the Fixer plots against Jack)
DD 1 (11:6-11:7)-FB (Jack’s big fight is announced, Matt & Foggy decide to watch)
UO 13 (9:4-9:5)-FB (retells DD 1 (11:5-11:6)-FB)
UO 13 (9:6-10:4)-FB (Matt & Foggy meet Jack before the fight, Fixer reminds Jack to throw the fight)
DD 1 (12-13:2)-FB (Jack wins the big fight, Fixer has him killed)
UO 13 (10:5-11:6)-FB (retells DD 1 (12-13:2)-FB)
DD 1 (13:3)-FB (police find Jack’s corpse)
DD 1 (13:4-13:7)-FB (Matt mourns Jack, graduates from college, open a law office, meets & hires Karen)
UO 13 (12:1-12:4)-FB (retells DD 1 (13:4-13:7)-FB)
UO 13 (12:5)-FB (Foggy tells Matt not to slack off now that they’re out of college)
DD 1 (13:8-15:2)-FB (Matt makes a Daredevil suit)
UO 13 (13-15:1)-FB (retells DD 1 (13:8-15:2)
DD 1 (15:3-15:4)-FB (Matt walks to the Fixer’s place)
UO 13 (15:2-15:3)-FB (as Daredevil, he enters the Fixer’s place)
DD 1 (1-5:2, 15:5) (Daredevil attacks Fixer’s place)
UO 13 (15:4-17:4)-FB (retells DD 1 (1-5:2, 15:5)
DD 1 (15:6-16:2) (Daredevil confronts Fixer)
UO 13 (18:1-18:2)-FB (retells DD 1 (15:6-16:2)
UO 13 (18:3)-FB (Daredevil makes a new comment)
DD 1 (16:3-17:2) (Daredevil fights Fixer’s men)
UO 13 (18:4)-FB (retells DD 1 (17:2))
DD 1 (17:3) (Daredevil fights Fixer’s men)
UO 13 (18:5)-FB (Daredevil makes a new comment)
DD 1 (17:4-18:3) (Daredevil fights Fixer’s men)
UO 13 (18:6-19:3)-FB (retells DD 1 (17:4-18:3))
UO 13 (19:4-19:5)-FB (Daredevil prepares his billy club)
DD 1 (18:4) (Daredevil swings back into action)
UO 13 (19:6)-FB (retells DD 1 (18:4))
DD 1 (18:5-20:5) (the Fixer escapes)
UO 13 (19:7-19:8)-FB (Daredevil laments Fixer’s escape, but decides to follow the scent of his cigar smoke)
DD 1 (20:6-21:4) (Daredevil follows Fixer)
UO 13 (20:1)-FB (Daredevil enters the subway)
DD 1 (21:5-22:1) (Daredevil confronts Fixer)
UO 13 (20:2-20:4)-FB (retells DD 1 (21:5-22:1))
UO 13 (20:5)-FB (Daredevil’s hearing is too sensitive for the passing subway train)
DD 1 (22:2-23:4) (Fixer dies of a heart attack and Slade confesses to the transit police)
UO 13 (20:6-21:6)-FB (retells DD 1 (22:2-23:4))
DD 1 (23:5-23:7) (Matt returns to his office)

As pointed out by Leoparis, there’s currently some wonky stuff going on with Daredevil’s early chronology. Here’s a breakdown:

DAREDEVIL/MATT MICHAEL MURDOCK
DD:T 1-FB (Maggie gives the infant Matt to Jack)
DD:F 1 (2 - 3)-FB (Jack beats Matt (not blind); Jack works as an enforcer)
DD:F 2-FB (Matt (not blind) watches Jack drink)
UTSM '97/2 (‘Lil Petey gives Matt (not blind) the Daredevil nickname)
{DD 1-FB}
M/SAGA 1 (Matt (blind) & Foggy in college; when FF go into space & get powers)
DD 209 (5:4-6:1)-FB (Matt (not blind) friends w/ Johnny)
DD 1-FB
DD -1 (Jack takes Matt (blind) to his first day at college, meets Foggy for 1st time)
DD 168 (1 - 4)-FB (should be (6-8)-FB, Matt meets Elektra in college)
ELEK -1 (this is split in Elektra’s chronology, overlaps w/breakup)
DD 168 (5 - 9:1)-FB (should be (9:1)-FB, Matt & Elektra begin their romance)
DD2 37-FB (Matt & Elektra in bed together)
DD 168 (9:2)-FB (should be (9:2-12:14)-FB, Elektra’s dad is killed & ends her romance w/Matt)
DD 209 (6:2-7:3)-FB (Matt runs into Johnny)
DD 1-FB
ASMU 18-FB (Matt represents Dr. Octopus in court; after ASM 3)
DD 1 (10:3 - 15:4)-FB (Matt & Foggy in college, Jack fights Crusher Creel, Jack killed by Fixer & Slade, Matt & Foggy graduate college, Matt & Foggy open law offices & hire Karen Page, Matt makes DD suit)
DD 1 (Daredevil goes after the Fixer)
DD2 66-FB
DD 2


We’re also missing DD 226-FB (Stick trains Matt) in Daredevil’s chronology. According to Stick’s chronology, Stick trained Matt before he trained Elektra. Also, Stick trained Elektra after she broke up with Matt.

ELEK -1 overlaps with DD 168-FB more than we have listed here.

Daredevil: Battlin’ Jack Murdock #1-4 gives a specific order for the DD:F flashbacks in Matt & Jack’s chronologies, so I’ll be suggesting changes to match that order.

The handbooks Give Jack’s full name as Jonathan Murdock, and Matt’s mother, Sister Maggie, as Margaret Grace Murdock. We’re also missing Matt’s “Jack Batlin” alias.

We’re also missing Sister Maggie’s appearance in DD 229.

Placement suggestions:

*DAREDEVIL/MATTHEW MICHAEL MURDOCK/”JACK BATLIN”
DD:T 1-FB
DD:F 2-FB
*DD:F 1 (3)-FB-OP
*{DD 1 (5:3-5:6)-FB}
*UO 13 (3-4:1)-FB
DD 209 (5:4-6:1)-FB
UTSM '97/2
*DD 1 (6-7:4)-FB
*DD:F 1 (2)-FB
*DD 1 (8:6-9:2)-FB
*UO 13 (6:4)-FB
*DD 1 (9:3-9:5)-FB
*UO 13 (7:2-7:4)-FB
*DD 1 (9:6)-FB
*UO 13 (8:1)-FB
*DD 226-FB
*DD 1 (10:1-10:2)-FB
DD -1
*DD 1 (10:3-11:2)-FB
*DD 168 (6-8)-FB
*ELEK -1 (1-2)
*DD 168 (9:1)-FB
DD2 37-FB
*ELEK -1 (3:1-3:3)
*DD 168 (9:2-10:12)-FB
*ELEK -1 (3:4-3:5)
*DD 168 (11:1-11:7)-FB
*ELEK -1 (4:1)-OP
*DD 168 (11:8-12:3)-FB
*ELEK -1 (4:2)-OP
*DD 168 (12:4-12:12)-FB
*ELEK -1 (4:4-4:5)
*DD 168 (12:13-12:14)-FB
DD 209 (6:2-7:3)-FB
*DD 1 (11:6-11:7)-FB
*UO 13 (9:6-10:4)-FB
*DD 1 (12-13:4)-FB
M/SAGA 1
*DD 1 (13:5-13:7)-FB
*UO 13 (12:5)-FB
ASMU 18-FB
*DD 1 (13:8-15:4)-FB
*UO 13 (15:2-15:3)-FB
*DD 1 (1-16:2)
*UO 13 (18:3)-FB
*DD 1 (16:3-17:3)
*UO 13 (18:5)-FB
*DD 1 (17:4-18:3)
*UO 13 (19:4-19:5)-FB
*DD 1 (18:4-20:5)
*UO 13 (19:7-19:8)-FB
*DD 1 (20:6-21:4)
*UO 13 (20:1)-FB
*DD 1 (21:5-22:1)
*UO 13 (20:5)-FB
*DD 1 (22:2-23:7)
DD2 66-FB
DD 2

ELEK 11
*UO 13
DD 368


ELEKTRA/ELEKTRA NATCHIOS

E:ROE 1 (2 - 3)-FB
*{DD 168 (6-8)-FB}
*ELEK -1 (1-2)
*DD 168 (9:1)-FB
DD2 37-FB
*DD 168 (9:2-10:12)-FB
*ELEK -1 (3:4-3:5)
*DD 168 (11:1-11:7)-FB
*ELEK -1 (4:1)
*DD 168 (11:8-12:3)-FB
*ELEK -1 (4:2)
*DD 168 (12:4-12:12)-FB
*ELEK -1 (4:4-4:5)
*DD 168 (12:13-12:14)-FB
ELEK2 35 (14:2)-FB
ELEK -1 (5-22)
W2 103-FB


*FIXER/ROSCOE SWEENEY
*DD 1 (7:6-8:5)-FB
*DD 1 (11:3-11:5)-FB
*UO 13 (9:6-10:4)-FB
*DD 1 (12-13:3)-FB
*DD 1 (1-16:2)
*UO 13 (18:3)-FB
*DD 1 (16:3-17:3)
*UO 13 (18:5)-FB
*DD 1 (17:4-23:7)

*MURDOCK, JONATHAN "BATTLIN’ JACK”
DD:T 1-FB
DD:F 2-FB
*DD:F 1 (3)-FB
*{DD 1 (5:3-5:6)-FB}
*UO 13 (3-4:1)-FB
UTSM '97/2
*DD 1 (6-7:4)-FB
*DD:F 1 (2)-FB
*DD 1 (7:5)-FB
*UO 13 (5:4)-FB
*DD 1 (7:6-8:5)-FB
*DD 1 (9:4-9:5)-FB
*UO 13 (7:2-7:4)-FB
*DD 1 (9:6)-FB
*UO 13 (8:1)-FB
DD -1
*DD 1 (11:3-11:5)-FB
*UO 13 (9:6-10:4)-FB
*DD 1 (12-13:3)-FB

*MURDOCK, MARGARET GRACE “SISTER MAGGIE”
DD:T 1-FB
*{DD 229}
DD 230


NATCHIOS, HUGO

E:ROE 1-FB
*ELEK -1 (3:4-3:5)
*{DD 168 (11:1-11:7)-FB}
*ELEK -1 (4:1)
*DD 168 (11:8-12:3)-FB
*ELEK -1 (4:2)
*DD 168 (12:4-12:12)-FB

NELSON, FRANKLIN P. "FOGGY"
DD -1
*{DD 1 (10:3-11:1)-FB}
DD 168-FB
DD 342-FB
*DD 1 (11:6-11:7)-FB
*UO 13 (9:6-10:4)-FB
*DD 1 (12-13:4)-FB
M/SAGA 1
*DD 1 (13:5-13:7)-FB
*UO 13 (12:5)-FB
DD 1
DD 2

PPTSS 250
*UO 13
DD 368


PAGE, KAREN
DD 1-FB
*UO 13-FB
DD 1
DD 2

ELEK 11
*UO 13
DD 368


SLADE
*DD 1 (11:3-11:5)-FB
*UO 13 (9:6-10:4)-FB
*DD 1 (12-13:3)-FB
*DD 1 (1-16:2)
*UO 13 (18:3)-FB
*DD 1 (16:3-17:3)
*UO 13 (18:5)-FB
*DD 1 (17:4-23:7)
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Re: Uncanny Origins #13

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While on the subject of updating character names, should the Fixer's given name of Roscoe (established in DD 161) not be added as well?
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Do we consider that M/SAGA 1 is a different flashback from panel 3 page 10 of DD #1 (even though it's the same picture)?
We can also inclkude a recent flashback in DD3 12

DD 209 (5:4-6:1)-FB (Matt (not blind) friends w/ Johnny)
UTSM '97/2 (Li'l Petey gives Matt (not blind) the Daredevil nickname)
DD 1 (6-7:4)-FB (in high school, Matt gets good grades but yearns to play sports; neighborhood kids taunt Matt and call him Daredevil, Matt secretly works out at home, his dad tells him he’s doing a good job in school; Jack tells Matt his mother would have been proud of him)
DD:F 1 (2)-FB
DD 1 (8:6-9:2)-FB (Matt decides to stop a blind man from getting run over by a radioactive waste truck)
UO 13 (6:4)-FB (Matt shoves the blind man out of the way)
DD 1 (9:4-9:5)-FB
UO 13 (7:2-7:4)-FB (Jack tells Matt he can still be smart, even if he’s blind)
DD 1 (9:6)-FB (Matt’s released from the hospital)
UO 13 (8:1)-FB (Jack offers to help Matt with his Braille lessons)
DD 226-FB (Stick trains Matt)
DD 1 (10:1-10:2)-FB (Matt continues to work out)
DD -1 (Jack takes Matt (blind) to his first day at college, meets Foggy for 1st time)
*DD3 12 FB (six months in their first year, Matt comes to like Foggy after they help each other)
DD 1 (10:3-11:2)-FB (Matt & Foggy in college same picture as M/Saga 1, Matt practices using his enhanced senses)
DD 168 (6-8)-FB
ELEK -1 (1-2)
DD 168 (9:1)-FB (Matt & Elektra begin their romance)
DD2 37-FB (Matt & Elektra in bed together)
ELEK -1 (3:1-3:3)
DD 168 (9:2-10:12)-FB
ELEK -1 (3:4-3:5)
DD 168 (11:1-11:7)-FB
ELEK -1 (4:1)-OP
DD 168 (11:8-12:3)-FB
ELEK -1 (4:2)-OP
DD 168 (12:4-12:12)-FB
ELEK -1 (4:4-4:5)
DD 168 (12:13-12:14)-FB
DD 209 (6:2-7:3)-FB (Matt runs into Johnny)
DD 1 (11:6-11:7)-FB (Jack’s big fight is announced, Matt & Foggy decide to watch)
UO 13 (9:6-10:4)-FB (Matt & Foggy meet Jack before the fight, Fixer reminds Jack to throw the fight)
DD 1 (12-13:4)-FB (Jack wins the big fight, Fixer has him killed, police find Jack’s corpse, Matt mourns Jack)
?M/SAGA 1 (DD 1 10:3 takes place earlier)
DD 1 (13:5-13:7)-FB (graduates from college, open a law office, meets & hires Karen)
UO 13 (12:5)-FB (Foggy tells Matt not to slack off now that they’re out of college)
ASMU 18-FB (Matt represents Dr. Octopus in court; after ASM 3)
DD 1 (13:8-15:4)-FB (Matt makes a Daredevil suit, walks to the Fixer’s place)
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Chris McCarver wrote:While on the subject of updating character names, should the Fixer's given name of Roscoe (established in DD 161) not be added as well?
Thanks! I've edited it into the above.
Leoparis wrote:Do we consider that M/SAGA 1 is a different flashback from panel 3 page 10 of DD #1 (even though it's the same picture)?
I do, yes. Sure, the two are very similar, but M/SAGA 1 takes place on the same day the Fantastic Four got their powers while DD 1 (10:3)-FB takes place early in Matt & Foggy's college days. I find it hard to believe that Matt & Foggy completed the majority of their time in law school and opened their law office in one or two years of Marvel time (DD 2 takes place between FF 27-28, so probably closer to two years). Placing M/SAGA near the end of their college days seems much more plausible to me.
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