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Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Post by Col_Fury » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:51 pm

AVENGERS ORIGINS: SCARLET WITCH & QUICKSILVER (January, 2012)
By Sean McKeever & Mirco Pierfederici

APPEARANCES:
Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver (also in -FB), Magneto, Mastermind, Toad, Professor X (-BTS), Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Iceman, Marvel Girl, Spider-Man, Scorpion, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Giant-Man, Hawkeye, Magda Eisenhardt (in -FB)

FLASHBACK:
Magda says goodbye to Pietro. Pietro sees Magneto looking at a photo.
SYNOPSIS:
Wanda and Pietro live as gypsies until they’re hired by some locals to tend to their barn. Weeks later, the husband tries to rape Wanda; she fights him off he calls her a witch and a mob forms. Magneto saves them from the mob. Later, Wanda and Pietro agree to join Magneto’s brotherhood because he saved their lives. Months later in Santo Marco, Quicksilver wonders if they should still be hanging out with Magneto, who is running Santo Marco like a dictator. Scarlet Witch chats with Magneto, who tells her that he used to have a daughter but she was killed by humans. Quicksilver interrupts, demanding to know why an old man like Magneto has the same hair color as him (I know, it doesn’t make much sense). Magneto takes off his helmet and is contacted by Professor X. Soon after, The X-Men fight the Brotherhood. Later, Scarlet Witch wonders to Magneto if the X-Men are the good guys because they don’t kill their enemies, while Magneto wants the Brotherhood to kill. Magneto gets angry and tries to imprison Scarlet Witch, so she and Quicksilver escape. Later, the twins discuss their options and decide to go to America, where they see Spider-Man fighting the Scorpion. They decide to join the Avengers because that group doesn’t have anything to do with humans vs. mutants. Later, the new Avengers are introduced to the press.

NOTE:
Pietro mentions he vaguely recalls being in suspended animation. Yay!

Wanda and Pietro escaping the Brotherhood can’t be the time they actually leave the group; that happens when the Stranger takes Magneto away in UX 11. This must be one of several escape attempts, as hinted at in ST 128.

When Wanda and Pietro travel to America, there’s a cutaway scene of Magneto on a boat with Mastermind and Toad looking at a photo of himself, Magda and Anya. This can’t be happening while Wanda and Pietro are travelling to America, because Magneto and Toad are in space with the Stranger at this point. It must be a flashback that occurs earlier.

The group shot of the new Avengers also includes Giant-Man, Iron Man and Thor in this issue. In all other group shots of the unveiling of the new Avengers team, it’s only been Captain America, Hawkeye, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. This has to be a new scene where the old Avengers come out for a “good bye” photo. Giant-Man's in the wrong suit, but whatever.

Placement suggestions:

ANGEL III/WARREN KENNETH WORTHINGTON III

UX 4 (1 - 22)
*AO:SW&QS
X:L 209-FB
A 234-FB
UX 4 (23)


BEAST/HENRY "HANK" P. MCCOY

UX 4 (1 - 22)
*AO:SW&QS
X:L 209-FB
A 234-FB
UX 4 (23)


CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVEN "GRANT" ROGERS

A 16 (20:5)
*AO:SW&QS
TB 9-FB


CYCLOPS II/SCOTT SUMMERS

UX 4 (1 - 22)
*AO:SW&QS
X:L 209-FB
A 234-FB
UX 138 (3:2)-FB
UX 4 (23)


EISENHARDT, MAGDA/”MAGDA LENSHERR”

UX@ 12/3 (6:5)
*AO:SW&QS-FB
UO 2 (5:1 - 5:4)
A 234-FB
V&SW2 5

GIANT-MAN/HANK PYM

A 16 (20:3 - 20:4)
*AO:SW&QS
TTA 67


HAWKEYE/CLINT BARTON

A 16 (20:5)
*AO:SW&QS
TB 9-FB


ICEMAN/ROBERT "BOBBY" DRAKE

UX 4 (1 - 22)
*AO:SW&QS
X:L 209-FB
A 234-FB
UX 4 (23)


IRON MAN/ANTHONY EDWARD "TONY" STARK

A 16 (20:3 - 20:5)
*AO:SW&QS
A:EMH 8 (21 - 22)


MAGNETO/MAGNUS/MAX EISENHARDT/"ERIC LENSHERR"/"MICHAEL XAVIER"

A 47 (12:3 - 13:3)-FB-BTS
*AO:SW&QS (8:5 - 9)
*UO 2 (22)
UX 4 (9:1:1)-FB
A 47 (13:4 - 14:1:2)-FB
UX 4 (9:1:2)-FB
A 47 (14:1:4 - 14:1:6)-FB
*AO:SW&QS (10)
X -1
UX 300-FB-BTS
M/CP2 3/2
{UX 1 (1 - 21:5)}
XO:CY (22:4 - 28:4)-FB
UX 1 (21:6 - 21:8)
XO:CY (29:1)-FB-OP
UX 1 (22 - 23:3)
X:WA-FB
UX 1 (23:4 - 23:9)
[WOSM2 2]
*AO:SW&QS-FB
*UX 4 (1 - 12:6)
*AO:SW&QS (11 - 17)
*UX 4 (12:7 - 22)
*AO:SW&QS (18 - 19)
X:L 209-FB
A 234 (16:1)-FB
UX 4 (23)
UX 5
UA 3
UA 4
UX 6-FB-BTS
UX 6
A 401-FB
JIM 109
XO:JG
UX 7
*AO:SW&QS (20 - 25)
UX 8-BTS
UX 11
XMF 3


MARVEL GIRL/JEAN GREY SUMMERS

UX 4 (1 - 22)
*AO:SW&QS
X:L 209-FB
A 234-FB
UX 138 (3:2)-FB
UX 4 (23)


MASTERMIND/JASON WYNGARDE
*AO:SW&QS-FB
*{UX 4 (1 - 12:6)}
*AO:SW&QS (11 - 17)
*UX 4 (12:7 - 22)
*AO:SW&QS (18 - 19)
X:L 209-FB
UX 4 (23)
UX 5 (1 - 22:5)
UX 37 (15:5)-FB
UX 5 (22:6 - 24)
UA 3
UA 4
UX 6
A 401-FB
JIM 109
UX 37 (15:6)-FB
UX 7
*AO:SW&QS (20 - 25)
UX 8
UX 11
UX 26-BTS


PROFESSOR X/CHARLES FRANCIS XAVIER

X:OMO (7:2 - 7:5)-FB
*UX 4 (1 - 12:6)
*AO:SW&QS-BTS
*UX 4 (12:7 - 22)
X:L 209-FB
UX 4 (23)


QUICKSILVER/PIETRO MAXIMOFF

UX@ 12/3 (6:5)
*AO:SW&QS (20)-FB
UO 2 (5:1 - 5:4)

A 182 (6:4 - 6:8)-FB
A 234 (14:2)-FB
A 377-FB
A 234 (14:3)-FB
*UO 2 (18 - 20)
*AO:SW&QS (1 - 7)
*UO 2 (21:1)
*AO:SW&QS (8:1)
*UO 2 (21:2 - 21:3)
*AO:SW&QS (8:2 - 8:4)
A 47 (12:2)-FB-BTS
UX 4 (8:7)-FB-BTS
A 47 (12:3 - 13:3)-FB
*UO 2 (21:4)
*AO:SW&QS (8:5 - 9)
*UO 2 (22)
UX 4 (9:1:1)-FB-BTS
A 47 (13:4 - 14:1:2)-FB
UX 4 (9:1:2)-FB-BTS
A 47 (14:1:4 - 14:1:6)-FB
*AO:SW&QS (10)
X -1
M/CP2 3/2
[WOSM2 2]
*AO:SW&QS (27)-FB-OP
*{UX 4 (1 - 12:6)}
*AO:SW&QS (11 - 17)
*UX 4 (12:7 - 22)
*AO:SW&QS (18 - 19)
X:L 209-FB
A 234 (16:1)-FB
UX 138-FB
UX 4 (23)
UX 5
UA 3
UA 4
UX 6
A 401-FB
JIM 109
A 16-FB
UX 7
*AO:SW&QS (20 - 25)
ST 128
UX 11
A:EMH 5
M/H&L '97 (1 - 30)
A:EMH 6 (18)
*AO:SW&QS (26 - 28)
A 16 (1 - 10)
*AO:SW&QS (29)
A:EMH 7

A 16 (20:5)
*AO:SW&QS (30)
TB 9-FB


SCARLET WITCH/WANDA MAXIMOFF

A 182 (6:4 - 6:8)-FB
A 234 (14:2)-FB
A 377-FB
A 234 (14:3)-FB
*UO 2 (18 - 20)
*AO:SW&QS (1 - 7)
*UO 2 (21:1)
*AO:SW&QS (8:1)
*UO 2 (21:2 - 21:3)
*AO:SW&QS (8:2 - 8:4)
A 47 (12:2)-FB-BTS
{UX 4 (8:7)-FB}
A 47 (12:3 - 13:3)-FB
*UO 2 (21:4)
*AO:SW&QS (8:5 - 9)
*UO 2 (22)
UX 4 (9:1:1)-FB
A 47 (13:4 - 14:1:2)-FB
UX 4 (9:1:2)-FB
A 47 (14:1:4 - 14:1:6)-FB
*AO:SW&QS (10)
X -1
M/CP2 3/2
[WOSM2 2]
*AO:SW&QS-FB-OP
*UX 4 (1 - 12:6)
*AO:SW&QS (11 - 17)
*UX 4 (12:7 - 22)
*AO:SW&QS (18 - 19)
X 209-FB
A 234 (16:1)-FB
UX 138-FB
UX 4 (23)
UX 5
UA 3
UA 4
UX 6
A 401-FB
JIM 109
A 16-FB
UX 7
*AO:SW&QS (20 - 25)
ST 128
UX 11
A:EMH 5
M/H&L '97 (1 - 30)
A:EMH 6 (18)
*AO:SW&QS (26 - 28)
A 16 (1 - 10)
*AO:SW&QS (29)
A:EMH 7

A 16 (20:5)
*AO:SW&QS (30)
TB 9-FB


SCORPION III/MACDONALD GARGAN

ASM 20
*AO:SW&QS
ASM 29
ALIAS 23


SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER

ASM 27
ALIAS 23
*AO:SW&QS
ASM@ 37/2


(There's a gap of time in ALIAS 23. This has to happen after ALIAS 23 for Thor and Spider-Man appears in the same segment of ALIAS 23 that Thor does, so this has to happen after ALIAS 23 for Spider-Man as well; Scorpion appears in the second segment of ALIAS 23, so this happens before ALIAS 23 for Scorpion)

THOR/"DR. DONALD BLAKE"/"SIGURD JARLSON II"/"JAKE OLSON"/"LOREN OLSON" [ASGARDIAN]

JIM 120 (1 - 7:3)
*AO:SW&QS
T:BO 1


TOAD II/MORTIMER TOYNBEE

XMF 4
*AO:SW&QS-FB
*{UX 4 (1 - 12:6)}
*AO:SW&QS (11 - 17)
*UX 4 (12:7 - 22)
*AO:SW&QS (18 - 19)
X:L 209-FB
A 234-FB
UX 138-FB
UX 4 (23)
UX 5
UA 3
UA 4
UX 6
A 401-FB
JIM 109
UX 7
*AO:SW&QS (20 - 25)
UX 11
XMF 3
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Re: Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Post by Midnighter » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:37 am

Col_Fury wrote:The group shot of the new Avengers also includes Giant-Man, Iron Man and Thor in this issue. In all other group shots of the unveiling of the new Avengers team, it’s only been Captain America, Hawkeye, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. This has to be a new scene where the old Avengers come out for a “good bye” photo.

Uhmmm... Thor was supposed to be in Asgard (attending his trial) when the new line-up was unveiled. I think it was shown in Marvel: Heroes & Legends '97.

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Re: Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:30 am

Here's Thor's chronology as we currently have it for this area:

THOR/"DR. DONALD BLAKE"/"SIGURD JARLSON II"/"JAKE OLSON"/"LOREN OLSON" [ASGARDIAN]

A 16
ALIAS 23
JIM 114 (1 - 8:4)
[FI:WORTHY /7]
JIM 114 (8:5 - 16:7)
JIM 115 (1 - 16:2)
A:EMH 6 (7 - 22)
M/H&L '97
JIM 115 (16:3 - 16:7)
JIM 116
JIM 117
JIM 118
JIM 119
JIM 120 (1 - 7:3)
T:BO 1


Thor's told about the trial in JiM 115; Thor asks Odin to delay things for 48 hours, which Odin grants. In this "48 hours" Thor defeats the Absorbing Man and checks in on Jane Foster (in JiM 115). In this gap is where Thor appears in A:EMH 6 & M/H&L '97 to tell the Avengers he's leaving. The trial happens in JiM 116-119 (the Avengers appear in JiM 116 during A 16). Thor's hammer is damaged in JIM 119 and he repairs it in JIM 120; during JiM 120 is a gap to accomodate other comics. The trial happens in fairly short order, and plenty of time passes in A 16, so if we squint we can line things up so the trial ends (JiM 119) around the same time the new Avengers are revealed to the public (end of A 16). Or we can assume this is a seperate, later photo op for when Thor's available (which would still be during JiM 120; it's the first time he's available).

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Re: Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Post by JephYork » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:49 am

Jeez, I was under the impression that this sucker was non-canon. You're saying it can fit?

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Re: Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:35 pm

There are a couple of hiccups here and there, but sure.
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Re: Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Post by Michael » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:24 pm

For the counterarguments, see here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6134

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Re: Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Post by Jason Doty » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:38 pm

Col Fury, Since your working on early placements in Pietro and Wanda's life in 2 threads. I think Mystic Arcana: Scarlet Witch would be something you would want to check out.

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Re: Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:19 pm

Michael wrote:For the counterarguments, see here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6134
Yeah, the comic could have done a better job at pointing out to the reader but not the characters that Magneto is the twins' father, but that's something that's been revealed for thirty years; it's not like it's a secret to us anymore. It's clunky and heavy-handed here, but it's not like this issue has Wanda and Pietro figuring it out before they join the Avengers.

Yes, Magneto blames Pietro that Xavier found them ONLY BECAUSE Pietro made Magneto take off his helmet, but as UX 4 shows, that's not exactly the case.

I'm not worried about the sloppy use of Iceman's powers or Toad's tongue; they're not details that affect this story. Are they unfortunate? Yeah. Are they canon-busters? No, I don't think so.

The other points are either addressed in the original thread or above.

No, it's not a perfect fit, but we've made more difficult things fit.
Jason Doty wrote:I think Mystic Arcana: Scarlet Witch would be something you would want to check out.
Thanks! I've read it (and re-read it when I was working on UO 2), and it's already in the MCP. Are you saying we have it in the wrong spot?
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Re: Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Post by Jason Doty » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:24 pm

Fury wrote
Thanks! I've read it (and re-read it when I was working on UO 2), and it's already in the MCP. Are you saying we have it in the wrong spot?
No, i just thought about it and thought it would be helpful. I didn't realize it was already in the project. I can only fight one running battle against you guys at one time. :lol:

Though I thought I did see a "/2" behind the entry. Didn't the highlighted characters "Magik, Scarlet Witch, ect... stories appear in the first part of the issue rather than the second? I'll re-look.

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Re: Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:30 pm

Cool, gotcha.

Ian McNee appears in all of the first & third stories, researching magic.

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