X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9 & 11

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Post by Somebody » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:23 am

We'll see then, I suppose. Officially, it's a two-parter, a backup and two one-parters, and we might be able to break it up as such if, in particular, #9 doesn't refer to #6-7.

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Post by metaldragon » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:43 pm

Going back to Paul's wonderful notes: these are Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's appearances from when they are chased by Magneto when he returned, joined the Avengers, and events leading up to the FF wedding where they appear alongside the X-Men next. Just to clear up that question.

M/H&L ‘97 (17-18)
A 16 ~ M/H&L ‘97
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FF@ 3 ~ M/H&L 1 ~ MARVELS 2 (33)

Since their appearance in X:FC2 6-7 has to take place between UX 18 (Mar '66) & 19 (Apr '66) is there a gap somewhere around A 26 (Mar '66) & 27 (Apr '66) where they might... relax in their cabin between bouts of Avenging and suddenly get attacked by Sentinels?
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Post by Paul Bourcier » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:08 am

Metaldragon wrote:
Since their appearance in X:FC2 6-7 has to take place between UX 18 (Mar '66) & 19 (Apr '66) is there a gap somewhere around A 26 (Mar '66) & 27 (Apr '66) where they might... relax in their cabin between bouts of Avenging and suddenly get attacked by Sentinels?
Publication dates don't always indicate synchronicity in the MU. One likely gap between UX 18 and 19 for Pietro and Wanda is between A 20 and 21. The problem is these stories in X:FC2 read like they're supposed to chronicle Wanda's transformation from "bad" to "good" before A 16. So far, I don't think this intention has been overt, but I get the sinking feeling that it will become so.
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Post by metaldragon » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:14 pm

Paul Bourcier wrote:Publication dates don't always indicate synchronicity in the MU. One likely gap between UX 18 and 19 for Pietro and Wanda is between A 20 and 21.
Understood, works for me.
Paul Bourcier wrote: The problem is these stories in X:FC2 read like they're supposed to chronicle Wanda's transformation from "bad" to "good" before A 16. So far, I don't think this intention has been overt, but I get the sinking feeling that it will become so.
Well, at least the back-up stories do. In this story, Wanda & Pietro just happen to be at their cabin. It noone talks about them being Avengers or not. Since it HAS to take place after UX 18 because of the Sentinels, the only way this story could be pre-Avengers for them is to contradict Marvels 2 and place the X-Men's appearance alongside them at the FF wedding after UX 18. Which would either bump Marvels 2 out of continuity or the X:FC series. If I remember correctly, I think that even before Marvels came out, the Index placed the wedding right before UX 14 anyway.
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Re: X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9

Post by Somebody » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:10 am

Preview for #8 is out - it's explicitly stapled to the aftermath of #6-7, and more generally after X:FC #2.: http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid ... emid=10993

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Re: X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9

Post by metaldragon » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:35 pm

What we know of X:FC2 8 so far from just these pages:
It continues directly on from X:FC2 7.
It comes after X:FC 2 (where they encountered the Lizard) which is good, we've got X:FC2 6 & 7 placed after that issue already.
It has Marvel Girl levitating, which places it after UX 14...

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Re: X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9

Post by Somebody » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:58 pm

Read the issue now, and all the placement stuff is in the preview. After that, it's mostly glimpses of various Bad alternate future stuff (which are at least in part futures of the present - Thor's in his current costume in one, which references X:FC 5 in a way which doesn't impact on when the FC team come from; and Phoenix is referring to "all her previous rebirths" in another)

And I'm convinced Jean flying is a screw-up by the fill-in artist whether or not it has any bearing on placement - #7 ended with Jean wishing she could still fly as the rocket went off, and Cyke sends Hank & Warren ahead at one point because they can move faster than him & Jean.

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Re: X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9

Post by metaldragon » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:24 pm

Somebody wrote:Read the issue now, and all the placement stuff is in the preview. After that, it's mostly glimpses of various Bad alternate future stuff (which are at least in part futures of the present - Thor's in his current costume in one, which references X:FC 5 in a way which doesn't impact on when the FC team come from; and Phoenix is referring to "all her previous rebirths" in another)

And I'm convinced Jean flying is a screw-up by the fill-in artist whether or not it has any bearing on placement - #7 ended with Jean wishing she could still fly as the rocket went off, and Cyke sends Hank & Warren ahead at one point because they can move faster than him & Jean.
Actually, looking closer, Jean doesn't fly in this issue either. In the first bit she just hovers a foot or two over the swamp. This is in line with her short hops between UX 14 and 22. In the Thor bit, they're standing on a building when she lifts Man-Thing over to Ice Giant Bobby. Then in the next bit Angel is doing most of the work providing lift: "Can't-- hold you all--" as he's carrying Jean and reaching for Man-Thing, with Jean saying: "I'm trying to help, but I'm holding them too." 'Them' being Scott, Man-Thing and Bobby (on panel) and probably Hank (off panel) as well. As early as UX 2 she's been shown to be able to lift the combined mass of 6 teenage girls for short distances so her actions in this issue are not outside of her abilities at this time placement. Jean and Warren actually did a simpler version of this once before in UX 17 when they had to get over a wall of flame that would have singed Warren's wings if he flapped them so as he carried her, she helped keep them moving with her powers. That was just the two of them of course, but this stunt is still within the scope of her powers during this time.

I agree about the X:FC 5 reference. This is Thor from the future so he could reference X:FC 5 all he wants. lol! Bobby had met Thor on 3 earlier occasions (UX 9, FF 36, and FF@ 3) so his line "No, Thor, it's your old pal, Bobby! Don't--" still makes sense without having to move X:FC 5 before this issue.

Also, wasn't there a What If...? alternate time line where Beast looses his mind when he mutates in his Amazing Adventures story? This could be the same version of Hank.

Anyway, what I find more worrying, is Dr. Curt Conners with two arms here. I don't know much about him but I though he only had one arm in human form...!?
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Re: X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9

Post by dimadick » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:30 am

"Anyway, what I find more worrying, is Dr. Curt Conners with two arms here. I don't know much about him but I though he only had one arm in human form...!?"

What? This is not a minor detail for the character. According to his very first appearance in "Amazing Spider-Man" vol. 1 #6 (November, 1963), Curt lost his right arm while working as a military surgeon in an unspecified war. (At the time of publication both World War II and the Korean War fit the vague description). His study into reptiles started at than point. He was trying to find a way to duplicate their ability to regenerate limbs into human subjects. Starting with himself. That missing right arm made most of his original motivation.

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Re: X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9

Post by Somebody » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:33 am

For Conners, two possibilities - (1) It's a screw-up by the fill-in artist who didn't bother to reference the character, ignore it 'cause it has no bearing on the plot, (2) He's been playing with the serum again, convinced he had it sorted this time, and proceeded to have a Lizard Attack off-panel during or shortly after this issue, and the X-Men had to deal with him all over again before they went back to the Mansion.

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Post by metaldragon » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:40 am

Somebody wrote:For Conners, two possibilities - (1) It's a screw-up by the fill-in artist who didn't bother to reference the character, ignore it 'cause it has no bearing on the plot, (2) He's been playing with the serum again, convinced he had it sorted this time, and proceeded to have a Lizard Attack off-panel during or shortly after this issue, and the X-Men had to deal with him all over again before they went back to the Mansion.
A couple of other posibilities: (1) I suppose this could also be a result of the Nexus flaring up. (2) He does wave a test tube with steaming liquid about as well, so looks like he was either playing with his serum again or, if (1) is correct, taking tests on himself to check why he's got his arm back and not transforming. Or (3) if this is the onset of a "Lizard Attack", maybe Xavier helped him keep it in check with his telepathy. Thing is, it's not discussed, which is kinda weird. It's obviously not a prosthetic because the fingers appear to have independent movement between the 3 panels he appears in. Did he ever bother with a prosthetic at any point at all? Anyway, he's not shown in his cabin at the end when the X-Men are relaxing there so maybe he did have a Lizard attack after all and is off running around the swamp or he's still tinkering with his serum/tests off panel and his arm is gone again? Who knows. I suspect your first possibility is probably the actual reason. :roll:
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Re: X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9

Post by Col_Fury » Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:20 pm

Somebody wrote:For Conners, two possibilities - (1) It's a screw-up by the fill-in artist who didn't bother to reference the character, ignore it 'cause it has no bearing on the plot, (2) He's been playing with the serum again, convinced he had it sorted this time, and proceeded to have a Lizard Attack off-panel during or shortly after this issue, and the X-Men had to deal with him all over again before they went back to the Mansion.
Either of those works for me.

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Re: X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9

Post by Somebody » Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:16 pm

Preview for #9 is out. No real clues that weren't already in the solicit that I can see: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/ ... i?id=13083

And, looking back at page 1 of this thread, I'm still not sure why things can't be arranged such that X:FC 8, which follows an off-panel-but-plot-critical two-week break for everyone but Xavier - who leaves for Africa during it and isn't there when they get back - can't directly follow X:FC2 4, where we follow Beast & Iceman as everyone except Xavier goes on a two-week break, and we don't see anyone get back and hear only Angel.

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Re: X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9

Post by Col_Fury » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:07 am

Somebody wrote:Preview for #9 is out.
Hrm. Black Widow working for SHIELD here isn't a problem, as long as she's recruited shortly after Hawkeye drops her off at the hospital in M/H&L '97, which would still be before the Scarlet Witch joins the Avengers. The problem is, Fury wasn't running SHIELD until after Avengers 16, according to A: EMH. I can think of a couple things that could make this work, but I'd like to read the entire issue first before nailing anything down.

Off the top of my head: The first page occurs after Strange Tales 135, and the Flashback occurs before Avengers 16, and by extension before Strange Tales 135. That would make the 'current' segment a scene where Fury's getting to know his agents and recent SHIELD going-ons. That could work, depending on how the rest of the issue unfolds.
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Re: X-Men: First Class v2 #6-8/9

Post by metaldragon » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:51 am

Somebody wrote:Preview for #9 is out. No real clues that weren't already in the solicit that I can see: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/ ... i?id=13083

And, looking back at page 1 of this thread, I'm still not sure why things can't be arranged such that X:FC 8, which follows an off-panel-but-plot-critical two-week break for everyone but Xavier - who leaves for Africa during it and isn't there when they get back - can't directly follow X:FC2 4, where we follow Beast & Iceman as everyone except Xavier goes on a two-week break, and we don't see anyone get back and hear only Angel.
You could place X:FC 8 after X:FC2 4 and include it as part of the vacation from X:FC 2-3 & X:FC2 4 but you still have the problem of a working Cerebro interface in Xavier's office that was destroyed in UX 18 and only finally replaced in UX 20. On second thought... I suppose one could argue that the room with the Cerebro laptop in X:FC 8 could have been the library/tv room from UX 20 instead of Xavier's office... That WOULD tidy up the vacation references... Hm...
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