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Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by Col_Fury » Tue May 13, 2008 1:38 am

Avengers/Invaders #1 opens with the Invaders(Cap, Bucky, Namor, Human Torch, Toro, Union Jack II, & Spitfire) in Italy, in December 1943. Everyone but Union Jack & Spitfire stumble into the future, in the middle of a fight between Spider-Man and the Thunderbolts.

Assuming there's no back-and-forth timetravel shenanigans, or if there is it stays in December 1943, here's where this series would fit for the Invaders:

CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVEN ROGERS
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CA 262-FB (1943)
FS-DOCA: IM (11)-FB
M/CP 34/4-FB
*A/INV 1 (12/43)
CA 219-FB (1944)
...

BUCKY/JAMES BUCHANAN “BUCKY” BARNES
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CABT
FS-DOCA: IM-FB
*A/INV 1 (12/43)
CA 219-FB (1944)
...

SUB-MARINER/NAMOR MACKENZIE
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N@ 2/2 (1943)
FS-DOCA: IM-FB
*A/INV 1 (12/43)
CLAN 8-FB (1944)
...

HUMAN TORCH/JIM HAMMOND
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CA5 5-FB (11/42)
FS-DOCA: IM-FB
*A/INV 1 (12/43)
CLAND 8-FB (1944)
...

TORO/TOM RAYMOND
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CA5 5-FB (11/42)
FS-DOCA: IM-FB
*A/INV 1 (12/43)
M/U 1-FB
...

UNION JACK II/BRIAN FALSWORTH
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INV 41
FS-DOCA: IM-FB
*A/INV 1 (12/43)
BP4 21-FB
...

SPITFIRE/LADY JACQUELINE FALSWORTH CRICHTON
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INV 41
M/CP 89/3-FB
FS-DOCA: IM-FB
*A/INV 1 (12/43)
BP4 21-FB
...
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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by wolframbane » Tue May 13, 2008 3:50 am

The 1943 part occurs in Monte Cassino, Italy. The Battle of Monte Cassino (January 4 - May 19, 1944) was fought near the town of Cassino, Italy as Allied forces attempted to break through the Winter Line and seize Rome. The costly series of four battles results in the deaths of 54,000 Allied personnel and 20,000 Germans.

For what its worth, Wolverine was also probably present at this time. In UX@ 4 he states "I ain't seen weather like this since Italy... that bloody winter below Monte Cassino."

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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by wolframbane » Tue May 13, 2008 12:44 pm

Browsing through some threads online, I found one that was kinda interesting:
(POTENTIAL SPOILERS):
Spoiler:
The "unknown" team of heroes (Black Widow, Electro, Silver Scorpion, Black Avenger, Challenger, Captain Terror) seen at
http://www.geocities.com/marvelindex/av ... rs-001.jpg

They could possibly be the same aliases assumed by many of the Avengers who time travel to the past (perhaps to stay hidden and not screw up the timeline. Specifically, the six Avengers seen on the cover of Avengers/Invaders #1 may hint who they are:
http://media.comics.ign.com/media/956/9 ... 68327.html

The Challenger strike a very Spider-Man like pose. Electro is a similar archetype as Iron Man. Captain Terror is kinda short, and that smug look on his face reminds me of Wolverine. Black Widow has the same tall, muscular stature as Ms. Marvel. I would guess Silver Scorpion is Spider Woman, or possibly the Wasp, and Black Avenger is Luke Cage (which I guess would remove his standing as one of the original African American characters who did not have the dreaded prefix "Black" in his name, a la Black Panther, Black Goliath, etc).
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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by metaldragon » Wed May 14, 2008 1:48 pm

Um... the first link there only shows the banner of the site. Might want to double check that.
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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by JephYork » Wed May 14, 2008 9:44 pm

It works fine for me...

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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by Somebody » Thu May 15, 2008 7:16 am

Comicboards images are anti-hotlinked - unless you've (a) got it in your cache or (b) have your PC set up to hide what site you came from, the image "shouldn't" show up if you click on it. Copy & paste the link instead.

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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by wolframbane » Thu May 15, 2008 1:23 pm

Here you guys go, I fixed the link:
http://www.geocities.com/marvelindex/av ... rs-001.jpg

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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by morwen » Sat May 17, 2008 12:31 pm

wolframbane wrote:Browsing through some threads online, I found one that was kinda interesting:
(POTENTIAL SPOILERS):
Spoiler:
The "unknown" team of heroes (Black Widow, Electro, Silver Scorpion, Black Avenger, Challenger, Captain Terror) seen at
http://www.geocities.com/marvelindex/av ... rs-001.jpg

They could possibly be the same aliases assumed by many of the Avengers who time travel to the past (perhaps to stay hidden and not screw up the timeline. Specifically, the six Avengers seen on the cover of Avengers/Invaders #1 may hint who they are:
http://media.comics.ign.com/media/956/9 ... 68327.html
Spoiler:
Note that Black Widow and Electro are original Timely characters now appearing in The Twelve, and they definitely are same character design, so these two are unlikely to be time-displaced New/Mighty Avengers. Expect the other four will be, though.

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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by Col_Fury » Sat May 17, 2008 11:24 pm

As for the current day portion:
MyCup o' Joe wrote:Stephen asks of a particular release this week:
Could you shed some light on when Avengers/Invaders happens? During the Secret Invasion? Right before? Or somewhere between Civil War and Secret Invasion?

JQ: I hate to nail these things down concretely before the stories are finished, Steven, because it ruins the suspense. If you know that Avengers/Invaders takes place after Secret Invasion, for example, then you can be pretty sure that Iron Man and Luke Cage and everybody else come through the experience largely unscathed.

That said, the beginning of Avengers/Invaders takes place "now," shortly before the start of the Secret Invasion.
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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by wolframbane » Thu May 29, 2008 4:09 am

Alright everybody. Here is some promotional artwork from Avengers/Invaders with many golden age characters, many well known and obscure. Can anyone help me identify them all? There is a no-prize in it for y'all !! :)

http://www.geocities.com/marvelindex/ga-heroes1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/marvelindex/ga-heroes3.jpg

1 - Angel
2 - Defender
3 -
4 -
5 - Miss Liberty
6 -
7 -
8 -
9 -
10 - Citizen V
11 -
12 - Destroyer
13 - Marvel Boy I
14 -
15 -
16 -
17 -
18 - The Fin
19 - Vision
20 - Hurricane
21 -

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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by Frederic Krier » Thu May 29, 2008 11:19 am

1 - Angel
2 - Defender
3 -
4 -
5 - Miss America
6 - Blue Blaze (not 100 % sure though)
7 -
8 - The Challenger
9 - The Vagabond
10 - Citizen V
11 - The Fiery Mask (not 100 % sure again)
12 - Destroyer
13 - Marvel Boy I
14 - The Falcon
15 - Blue Diamond
16 - probably The Whizzer
17 -
18 - The Fin
19 - Vision
20 - Hurricane
21 - Black Marvel (or is no. 17 Black Marvel?)

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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by Col_Fury » Thu May 29, 2008 3:33 pm

1 - Angel
2 - Defender
3 - Red Raven
4 -
5 - Miss America
6 - Blue Blaze (yeah, I think you're right)
7 - Jack Frost
8 - The Challenger
9 - The Vagabond
10 - Citizen V
11 - Major Liberty (it's those starry gloves)
12 - Destroyer
13 - Marvel Boy I
14 - The Falcon
15 - Blue Diamond
16 - The Whizzer (you're right)
17 - Young Avenger
18 - The Fin
19 - Vision
20 - Hurricane
21 - Black Marvel (you're right)

#4... I don't know. It's not the Thin Man, maybe it's one of the magicians? Monako, Mantor, or Dakor?
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Re: Avengers/Invaders 1

Post by wolframbane » Sat May 31, 2008 11:37 pm

Great guys!! No-prizes one and all!!

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