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SM/XF:SG

Post by cweed4 » Thu May 15, 2008 11:40 am

The current listing for this mini presents a problem for Flash Thompson. His current chronology has it placed-

ASMU 2-BTS
PPTSS 204
PPTSS 205
PPTSS 207
SM/XF:SG 1-FB
SM/XF:SG 1
SM/XF:SG 2
SM/XF:SG 3

PPTSS 209/2
PPTSS 210/2
ASMU 6/3

However, PPTSS 207 has Flash in the hospital recovering from an attack by Tombstone. He is still there in PPTSS 209/2 and not discharged until PPTSS 210/2 (but still in a cast). This would require the minor adjustment to move that story in Spidey-related chronologies to before PPTSS 204 (the start of the previously mentioned Tombstone storyline). I don't think this should effect the placement for the X-Factor characters.

An alternative argument could be made to move SM/XF:SG after PPTSS 210/2. But, during SM/XF:SG, Pete and Flash are acting like old buddies. The problem with that is found in an exchange between Peter and Flash in PPTSS 207. During his recuperation, Flash tells Peter he has reflected on their friendship and essentially "breaks-up" with him. (This development effectively removes Flash as a supporting character from the Spidey books until after the clone saga ooOO?! resolves itself.) For that reason it makes much more sense to move the placement the other way.

So, I would suggest the following adjustments-

THOMPSON, EUGENE "FLASH"
ASMU 2-BTS
SM/XF:SG 1-FB
SM/XF:SG 1
SM/XF:SG 2
SM/XF:SG 3

PPTSS 204
PPTSS 205
PPTSS 207
PPTSS 209/2
PPTSS 210/2
ASMU 6/3


ROBERTSON, JOE "ROBBIE"
S-M 38
SM/XF:SG 1
PPTSS 205
PPTSS 205/2
PPTSS 207/2
WOSM 107
WOSM 108
ASMU 3-BTS
ASMU 3/2
PPTSS 208
[removed]
WOSM 110

JAMESON, J. JONAH
S-M 40
SM/XF:SG 1
SM/XF:SG 3

PPTSS 205
PPTSS 205/2
PPTSS 206/2
PPTSS 207/2
WOSM 107
WOSM 108
ASMU 4
PPTSS 208
[removed]
WOSM 110

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
PPTSS@ 13
M/HOL 1993
SMHS 1995/5-FB**
SM/XF:SG 1-FB
SM/XF:SG 1
SM/XF:SG 2
SM/XF:SG 3

PPTSS 204
PPTSS 205
PPTSS 206
PPTSS 207
SM:MA 1
SM:MA 2
SM:MA 3
ASM 383
ASM 384
ASM 385
WOSM 107
WOSM 108
WOSM 109
ASM 385
DIECUT 1-BTS
LFSM 1
LFSM 2
LFSM 3
LFSM 4
ASMU 3
ASMU 3/2
S-M 41
S-M 42
S-M 43
ASMU 4
ASMU 4/2
ASMU 4/3
DRSTR3 61
SLEEP 32
PPTSS 207
PPTSS 208
PPTSS 208/2
TS 4
TS 5
TS 6
TS 7
[removed]
ASM 386


The only discussion I could find for this mini-series was the original issue ananlysis-
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2846&p=17983&hilit= ... mes#p17983


** Another minor change added here is Spidey's appearance in his 1995 Holiday issue. SMHS 1995/5-FB takes place on a christmas just prior to the clone saga ooOO?!. I suggest moving this FB next to another Christmas story. Its current placement (between S-M 44 and Shroud 1) seems like a clear error. S-M 44 takes place on the anniversary of Uncle Ben's death (suggested to be April 1) and none of the surrounding issues even appear to be in winter.

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Re: SM/XF:SG

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sat May 17, 2008 9:23 am

cweed, your point about Flash certainly makes sense. I can see placing SM/XF:SG before PPTSS 204.

I have SM/XF:SG very tentatively placed in late October of Year 17, during the "four day" gap between XF 95 and 96, and before various Christmas stories involving Spidey, including SMHS 1995/5-FB. And, yes, I have placed S-M 44 during the early morning of the following April 1.
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Re: SM/XF:SG

Post by cweed4 » Mon May 19, 2008 9:03 am

Paul Bourcier wrote:cweed, your point about Flash certainly makes sense. I can see placing SM/XF:SG before PPTSS 204.

I have SM/XF:SG very tentatively placed in late October of Year 17, during the "four day" gap between XF 95 and 96, and before various Christmas stories involving Spidey, including SMHS 1995/5-FB. And, yes, I have placed S-M 44 during the early morning of the following April 1.
So, this for the old webhead instead-

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
PPTSS@ 13
SM/XF:SG 1-FB
SM/XF:SG 1
SM/XF:SG 2
SM/XF:SG 3
M/HOL 1993
SMHS 1995/5-FB
PPTSS 204

Do you have a preference for which holiday story should be first?

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Re: SM/XF:SG

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue May 20, 2008 7:08 am

cweed4 wrote:
Do you have a preference for which holiday story should be first?
Here's the sequence of Spidey holiday stories I have for Year 17:

M/HOL 1994/5
Spidey helps light the Rockefeller Center Christmas tree on "Christmas Eve" (apparently the MU lights it much later than our universe does).

M/HOL 1993
Spidey changes out of his costume BTS, then shops with M.J. and has another adventure on "Christmas Eve."

SMHS 1995/5-FB
Spidey and the Torch meet at the Statue of Liberty on "Christmas morning."
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Re: SM/XF:SG

Post by cweed4 » Tue May 20, 2008 9:29 am

So you want to revise this entry:

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
DHAWK 50
*M/HOL 1994/5*
ASM 398

to be included here as well?

SPIDER-MAN/PETER BENJAMIN PARKER
PPTSS@ 13
SM/XF:SG 1-FB
SM/XF:SG 1
SM/XF:SG 2
SM/XF:SG 3
M/HOL 1994/5
M/HOL 1993
SMHS 1995/5-FB
PPTSS 204

I assume that x-mas in Year 18 is celebrated by Ben Reilly then?

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Re: SM/XF:SG

Post by Somebody » Tue May 20, 2008 9:43 am

Just checking, but with all this calendarically-based moving of SMHS 1995/5-FB... has anyone taken another look at the actual story to see if it fits where you're trying to move it to?

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Re: SM/XF:SG

Post by cweed4 » Tue May 20, 2008 10:23 am

Somebody wrote:Just checking, but with all this calendarically-based moving of SMHS 1995/5-FB... has anyone taken another look at the actual story to see if it fits where you're trying to move it to?
cweed4 wrote: ** Another minor change added here is Spidey's appearance in his 1995 Holiday issue. SMHS 1995/5-FB takes place on a christmas just prior to the clone saga ooOO?!. I suggest moving this FB next to another Christmas story. Its current placement (between S-M 44 and Shroud 1) seems like a clear error. S-M 44 takes place on the anniversary of Uncle Ben's death (suggested to be April 1) and none of the surrounding issues even appear to be in winter.
Just read it last week :wink:

Its also not completely calendar based movement. I have a problem w/ the split placement of ASM 387 (the middle issue of the Lifetheft story) but haven't finished figuring it all out yet. Stay tuned :D

ASM 387 argument now available :wink:
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Re: SM/XF:SG

Post by JephYork » Wed May 21, 2008 1:55 pm

The Marvel Universe has four Christmases a year and elects a new President every single November.

-Jeph!

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