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how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by tobyoryamcha » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:01 am

So how can readers help MCP it says we can do analysis of issues but that they will not add them to characters chronologys or take them of the checklist as a result of that?

so what can we do?

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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by Russ Chappell » Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:21 pm

Toby, I have to ask: Where did you hear that we "will not add them to characters chronologys or take them of the checklist"?

Books that are analyzed on the forum WILL eventually be added to character chronologies (assuming the analysis is valid), and the analyst receives credit on the Updates page. Books are taken off the Checklist when they're added to the Project.


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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by tobyoryamcha » Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:14 pm

""Please be aware, the titles and issues listed on the MCP checklist are not a call for analysis (as we won't be updating the list to reflect volunteers). If you still want to go ahead and submit analyses, you may do so, of course, but the purpose of this thread is to track which books still need to be added to the MCP.""

I seemed to take that as our analysisis (sp?) (analysees?) wont affect the list.

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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by michaelyuri » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:59 pm

I think this is just a misunderstanding about the purpose of the Checklist.
tobyoryamcha wrote:the titles and issues listed on the MCP checklist are not a call for analysis (as we won't be updating the list to reflect volunteers).
The Checklist is just a master list of all the books that belong in the MCP that haven't yet made it in, regardless of whether or not they have been analyzed.

There's a time lag between when books are analyzed and when they are added to the project. For a while, the MCP's top priority was adding older books to the project to close some gaps in the listings. Now that the gaps have been closed, adding more recent books to the project is a higher priority, but there's a considerable backlog, so it will probably take a while before the project gets caught up.

When new issue analyses are submitted, the issues remain on the Checklist to indicate that they have still not been added to the project. But eventually, when those issues are added to the project (with the help of the submitted analyses) they will be removed from the Checklist.
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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by Russ Chappell » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:10 pm

tobyoryamcha wrote:I seemed to take that as our analysisis (sp?) (analysees?) wont affect the list.
They don't directly affect the list. It's just one step in the process that leads to books being removed from the Checklist. Michaelyuri stated it well.


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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by TheDeuce » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:58 pm

i there a list of the books that have been analyzed, but have yet to be added to the project database? i'm a little hesitant to analyze a book that's already been analyzed.

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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by tobyoryamcha » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:34 am

same worry here I copy and pasted the list cut out the majority which i dont have minus the ones i dont think i could accuratly analyse for various reasons and I'm left with some I can and would analyse but as the poster above me mentioned I dont want to spend the time on it if its already done.

In fact here is the list of ones i have that I can easily review and analyse:

ALIAS #9
BEYOND! 1-6
CIVIL WAR CHOOSING SIDES
CIVIL WAR THE CONFESSION (one-shot)
CIVIL WAR IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA: CASUALTIES OF WAR (one-shot)
FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA: AVENGERS
FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA: CAPTAIN AMERICA
FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA: IRON MAN
FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA: SPIDER-MAN
FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA: WOLVERINE
MARVEL KNIGHTS DOUBLE SHOT #3, 4
SPIDER-MAN 2099 MEETS SPIDER-MAN
SPIDER-MAN FAMILY (2007 ongoing series) #2
SPIDER-MAN'S TANGLED WEB #21-22
TOXIN #1-5
UNION JACK 1-3
UNION JACK V2 1-4
VENOM VS. CARNAGE 1-4
WINTER SOLIDER: WINTER KILLS (one-shot)
WOLVERINE: FIREBREAK, (one-shot)
WORLD WAR HULK PROLOGUE: WORLDBREAKER
WORLD WAR HULK: AFTERSMASH, (one-shot)

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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by michaelyuri » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:21 am

TheDeuce wrote:i there a list of the books that have been analyzed, but have yet to be added to the project database?
I've been thinking about this same issue. The monthly call thread in the issue analysis forum is great start, but it's geared toward Paul B's calendar rather than the entire MCP. This leaves a few gaps in its coverage: Books set prior to FF #1 aren't listed because they aren't relevant to the calendar and books that Paul B. personally collects aren't listed because he doesn't need help to place them on his calendar. As far as I can tell, a lot of these books aren't being analyzed. Is anyone keeping track of them?

Maybe it would make sense going forward to expand the monthly Calls for Analysis to include all new canon books. Or maybe to include some sort of indication (like an asterisk) on the Checklist to indicate books that are still in need of analysis. Or maybe this is already being kept track of behind the scenes in some way that could be exposed. I don't know -- just a thought.
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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by Russ Chappell » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:12 am

michaelyuri wrote:Or maybe this is already being kept track of behind the scenes in some way that could be exposed.
Yes to that one. Maybe this evening I can post some of the information we have.


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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by newtron » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:01 am

i've been wondering about this too. thanks admin.
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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by Russ Chappell » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:45 pm

This is a list of the analyses that have been sent to the Forum Archives. The number after the colon is the archive number. Link to the archives is at the bottom of the page. If the archive hasn't been added to the archives page, then the analysis is still here, in the Issue Analysis Forum.

I have almost all the books on the Checklist, but issue analyses are always welcome, and when the book is added to the Project, you'll get credit on the Updates page, with the next Major Update Announcement.

AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES V2 1-8: 81
ACADEMY X 16-19: 65
ACADEMY X YEARBOOK: 67
ALPHA FLIGHT V3 9: 53
AMAZING FANTASY V2 1-6: 55
7: 66
13-14: 66
15: 68
16-20: 73
ANNIHILATION 1-6: 83
ANNIHILATION HERALDS 1-2: 83
ANNIHILATION NOVA 1-4: 83
ANNIHILATION PROLOGUE: 83
ANNIHILATION RONAN 1-4: 83
ANNIHILATION SUPER SKRULL 1-4: 83
ANNIHILATION SILVER SURFER 1-4: 83
AGE OF APOCALYPSE: 73
AGE OF APOCALYPSE V2 1-6: 73
APOCALYPSE VS DRACULA 1-4: 74
ARANA 1-6: 63
ARANA 7-12: 67
ARES 1-5: 73
SPIDER-MAN HUMAN TORCH 1-5: 81
BROTHERHOOD 4-9: 51
BOOKS OF DOOM 1: 79
BORN 1-4: 55
BLACK PANTHER V4 1-7: 64
BULLSEYE'S GREATEST HITS 1-5: 65
BLACK WIDOW: THE THINGS THEY SAY 1-6: 73
CABLE DEADPOOL 1: 50
16-17: 64
CAPTAIN AMERICA V5 10: 64
CAPTAIN AMERICA 65TH ANNIVERSARY: 75
CAPTAIN UNIVERSE ONE-SHOTS: 66
CLAWS 1-3: 79
CONTEST OF CHAMPIONS V2: 47
COMBAT KELLY V2 1-9: 81
DAREDEVIL V2 57-61: 48
62-65: 52
66-70: 67
71-75: 63
76-81: 68
82-87: 77
88: 78
89-94: 82
DAREDEVIL FATHER 1: 52
2: 63
3-5: 68
6: 78
DAREDEVIL REDEMPTION 1: 66
DAREDEVIL TARGET 1: 52
DISTRICT X 7: 66
DEATHLOK V3 1-3:67
5-11: 67
DOC SAMSON V2 1-5: 77
DRAX 1-4: 67
DR. STRANGE OATH 1-5: 81
EXILES 1-84: 73
69-71: 64
FANTASTIC FOUR FIRST FAMILY 1-6: 74
FANTASTIC FOUR HOUSE OF M 1-3: 64
FANTASTIC FOUR IRON MAN IN JAPAN 1: 64
2-4: 81
FANTASTIC FOUR WEDDING: 65
FRANKLIN RICHARDS MARCH MADNESS: 83
FRANKLIN RICHARDS THANKSGIVING: 77
FURY BLACK WIDOW: 62
HUMAN TORCH 2-5a: 73
GAMBIT V4 1-9: 68
10: 62
GENERATION X HOLIDAY: 79
GHOST RIDER V5 1-6: 71
GHOST RIDER V6 1-5: 79
6-7: 80
8-11: 83
GIANT-SIZE HULK V2 1: 79 & 83
GIANT-SIZE INVADERS 2: 67
GIANT-SIZE SPIDER-WOMAN: 62
GIANT-SIZE WOLVERINE 1: 77
GIANT-SIZE X-MEN 3-4: 65
HOUSE OF M 1-8: 65
HULK V3 66-70: 47
71-76: 53
77-81: 60
82: 62
83-86: 64
87: 66
88-91: 70
92-99: 79
100-103: 80
HULK DESTRUCTION 1-4: 68
I HEART MARVEL: 82
IRON MAN HOUSE OF M 1-3: 64
IRREDEEMABLE ANT-MAN 1-6: 82
JUBILEE 1-5: 61
KITTY PRYDE SHADOW & FLAME 1-5: 68
LIVEWIRES 1-6: 68
LEGION OF MONSTERS MAN-THING: 83
LEGION OF MONSTERS WEREWOLF BY NIGHT: 83
MARVEL MONSTERS FIN FANG FOUR: 76
MARVEL TEAM-UP V3 15-18: 69
25: 76
MADROX 1-5: 57
MORLOCKS 1-4: 68
MUTOPIA X: 68
NIGHTCRAWLER V2 1-4: 51
NIGHTCRAWLER V3 1: 66
5-6: 66
NEXTWAVE 1-2: 70
NIGHTCAT: 53
NYX 6: 68
PULSE 1-3: 48
4-5: 51
10: 64
PUNISHER V7 19-24: 64
25-36: 74
37-42: 79
PUNISHER BULLSEYE: 69
PUNISHER RED CHRISTMAS: 80
PUNISHER CHRISTMAS 2007: 79
RUNAWAYS 1-10: 49
11-18: 52
RUNAWAYS V2 1-8: 70
9-12: 68
13: 70
14-18: 74
19-24: 81
RUNAWAYS SAGA: 82
SHE-HULK V3 1-7: 52
10: 53
SABLE & FORTUNE: 70
SGT FURY 51- ~104: 81 & 82
SGT FURY ANNUAL 4-7: 84
SPIDER-MAN LEGACY OF EVIL: 53
SNIKT: 51
SPIDER-WOMAN ORIGIN: 70
THOR BLOODOATH: 67
THOR SON OF ASGARD 1-6: 56
THUNDERBOLTS 76-81: 51
THUNDERBOLTS ZEMO BORN BETTER 2-4: 83
THING V2 1-4: 70
THANOS 1-12: 49
UNION JACK V2 1-4: 79
UNCANNY X-MEN 462-465: 65
VENOM VS CARNAGE: 59
WOLVERINE V3 33-35: 65
49: 78
WOLVERINE ORIGINS 1-5: 79
6-10: 81
11: 80
WOLVERINE SAUDADE: 84
WHAT IF ONE-SHOTS: 67
WARLOCK V6 1-4: 65
X-MEN RUNAWAYS: 72
EXCALIBUR V4 9: 74
X-FORCE SHATTERSTAR: 64
XISLE: 51
XSTATIX 21-25: 75

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Re: how can we help the marvel chronology project?

Post by michaelyuri » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:06 pm

Administrator wrote:This is a list of the analyses that have been sent to the Forum Archives.
Thanks, Russ!

tobyoryamcha-

A quick search of the issue analysis forum shows that the following books have already been analyzed:
tobyoryamcha wrote:ALIAS #9
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3766&p=23870
tobyoryamcha wrote:MARVEL KNIGHTS DOUBLE SHOT #3, 4
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3668&p=23270
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3672&p=23284
tobyoryamcha wrote:SPIDER-MAN 2099 MEETS SPIDER-MAN
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3673&p=23285
tobyoryamcha wrote:SPIDER-MAN FAMILY (2007 ongoing series) #2
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3050&p=19520
tobyoryamcha wrote:ALIAS #9
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3766&p=23870
tobyoryamcha wrote:MARVEL KNIGHTS DOUBLE SHOT #3, 4
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3668&p=23270
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3672&p=23284
tobyoryamcha wrote:SPIDER-MAN 2099 MEETS SPIDER-MAN
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3673&p=23285
tobyoryamcha wrote:SPIDER-MAN'S TANGLED WEB #22
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3323&p=21101
tobyoryamcha wrote:UNION JACK 1-3
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3301&p=20998
tobyoryamcha wrote:UNION JACK V2 1-4
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2803&p=17704
tobyoryamcha wrote:WOLVERINE: FIREBREAK, (one-shot)
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3498&p=22114

And according to Russ's list, this one is in archive 59:
tobyoryamcha wrote:VENOM VS. CARNAGE 1-4
Which leaves the following books as not yet analyzed:
tobyoryamcha wrote:BEYOND! 1-6
CIVIL WAR CHOOSING SIDES
CIVIL WAR THE CONFESSION (one-shot)
CIVIL WAR IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA: CASUALTIES OF WAR (one-shot)
FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA: AVENGERS
FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA: CAPTAIN AMERICA
FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA: IRON MAN
FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA: SPIDER-MAN
FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA: WOLVERINE
SPIDER-MAN'S TANGLED WEB #21
TOXIN #1-5
WINTER SOLIDER: WINTER KILLS (one-shot)
WORLD WAR HULK PROLOGUE: WORLDBREAKER
WORLD WAR HULK: AFTERSMASH, (one-shot)
The chronological placement of some of these books has been discussed extensively (for example, the civil war books) and many of them appear on Paul B's calendar (linked at the bottom of the page), but they haven't had a full analysis listing all of the the characters.
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Post by Somebody » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:41 am

Administrator wrote:AMAZING FANTASY V2 1-6: 55
7: 66
NB: That's #7-12 in Archive 66, not just #7.

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Post by JLH » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:52 am

michaelyuri wrote:Which leaves the following books as not yet analyzed:
tobyoryamcha wrote:TOXIN #1-5
For the record (sorry to dig up this long dead post, I've been gone a while), I did the analysis for this way back when it came out. It should be in the archives somewhere.

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