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DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by Paul Bourcier » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:36 am

In seeking to place flashbacks in this week's Captain Ametica & Crossbones #1, I encountered a problem with the placement for DP3 35-FB for Wizard and Taskmaster, assuming DP3 35-FB is one flashback that occurs at one point in time. I don't have DP3 35, so I can't check.

Working on that assumption, I notice:
Scarlet Witch appears in A 235 after FF 261
Wizard appears in DPOOL3 35-FB after A 235
Thing appears in DPOOL3 35-FB before FF 257
Something's wrong here, and my calendar notes indicate that the Wizard's chronology is the problem. Wizard should appear in DPOOL3 35-FB between A 232 and A 235.

Given that:
DPOOL3 35-FB should occur before A 235; and
Spider-Man appears in M/TU 146 quite a while after A 237
Then Taskmaster must appear in M/TU 146 after, not before, DPOOL3 35-FB

Thus, revised chronologies would read thusly, with allownances made for two of the flashbacks in this week's Captain America and Crossbones #1:

CROSSBONES
*CA&CRB 1 (8)-FB [add]
*CA&CRB 1 (19:4)-FB [add]
CA 400/3-FB
CA 403/2-FB
*CA&CRB 1 (15)-FB [add]
CA 383/4
{CA 359}


RED SKULL

CA 350/2
*CA&CRB 1 (15)-FB [add]
CA 383/4


TASKMASTER

A 223
* DPOOL3 35-FB [move to here]
M/TU 146
*DPOOL3 35-FB [move from here]
*CA&CRB 1-FB (15) [add]
TG 26
...

WIZARD

A 232
* DPOOL3 35-FB [move to here]
A 235
*DPOOL3 35-FB [move from here]
SWII 7
...

The chronologies of other characters who appear in DPOOL3 35-FB (Constrictor, Deadpool, Franklin Richards, and Thing) remain unchanged.
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Re: DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:45 pm

Paul Bourcier wrote:RED SKULL

CA 350/2
*CA&CRB 1 (15)-FB [add]
CA 383/4
CA 383/4 takes place "hours" after CA 350/2.

What happens in CA&CRB 1 (15)-FB? Is it Red Skull waking up in his newly cloned Steve Rogers body while Crossbones climbs the mountain to get to Zola's stronghold or something?
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Re: DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by Paul Bourcier » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:13 pm

Red Skull (in his new body and with his mask on) visits Taskmaster and takes an interest in one of his trainees, Brock Rumlow. The Skull requests Brock, whom he doesn't actually meet. I theorize that the assault on Zola's stronghold was the Skull's test for Brock, a plan he didn't share with Zola. And yes, the Skull must have immediately decided to recruit a protege upon getting the new body from Zola, visiting Taskmaster during his first few hours in the new body. Eh, whatya gonna do?
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Re: DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:41 pm

Wow. That wants to completely retcon how Red Skull and Crossbones meet.

Yes, Brock Rumlow was a trainer for Taskmaster's Academy early in his "career." BUT, following that Brock Rumlow was a mercenary sent by the Albert Malik Red Skull when he was attacking Zola's stronghold in CA 383/4.

Hmmnn...

How definite is it that Red Skull is in his new body? Could he have secretly "recruited" Brock before he died in CA 300?
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Re: DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by Paul Bourcier » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:52 pm

The Red Skull is seen in a youthful body (neck and chest skin seen) with a red skull face.
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Re: DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:12 pm

OK, thanks.

I'm sure this isn't what's intended in CA&CRB 1, but I'm going to suggest placing the flashback for Red Skull somewhere in here:

...
CA 263
CA5 15 (13:1 - 13:2)-FB
CA 298 (21)-FB
CA 298 (22:3 - 22:5)-FB
CA5 15 (14:1 - 14:2)-FB
CA 290
1985 1
1985 6
CA 293
...

While he still had a relatively youthful body. I'll have to check the comics when I get home, but I'm pretty sure Red Skull aged quickly sometime before CA 290 or CA 293 when his age-retardant wore off. Then he realized he was dying and hatched his plan in CA 293-300.

That would mean that Red Skull visited Taskmaster and takes an interest in Brock while Brock was still with Taskmaster's Academy, and before Brock became a mercenary. My theory is, Red Skull sent Brock on a path to be hired as a mercenary by Malik, to see if Brock was worthy enough to tell the difference between the "fake" Skull Malik and the "real" Skull Shmidt. Which, as it turns out, Brock was able to in CA 383/4. Brock even comments on it in CA 383/4.
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Re: DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by Paul Bourcier » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:39 pm

Okay, Colonel. Let us know where you're placing this and we'll figure out Taskmaster's before and after.
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Re: DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by Col_Fury » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:42 pm

All right! :)

The gas that maintains Red Skull's youth is wearing off in CA 298 (21)-FB, and CA5 (13:1-13:2)-FB expands that. So, knowing that he's dying, he artificially ages his daughter to be his replacement.

I'd place it here for Red Skull:

RED SKULL
...
CA 263
*CA&CRB 1 (15)-FB
CA5 15 (13:1 - 13:2)-FB
...

But closer to CA 290 than CA 263. The idea is that whatever the Skull had planned for Brock in CA&CRB 1-FB was abandoned when he realized he was rapidly aging in CA5 15-FB.
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Re: DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:52 am

Okay, so Taskmaster's chronology would be:

TASKMASTER

A 223
* DPOOL3 35-FB [move to here]
*CA&CRB 1-FB (15) [add]
M/TU 146
*DPOOL3 35-FB [move from here]
TG 26
...

And just to confirm...DPOOL3 35-FB is one flashback that occurs at one point in time, yes?
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Re: DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by SeanCurtin » Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:41 am

Paul Bourcier wrote:And just to confirm...DPOOL3 35-FB is one flashback that occurs at one point in time, yes?
There are multiple flashbacks in that comic, but the Wizard, Taskmaster, Constrictor, Thing and Franklin all appear in the same flashback: Deadpool joins with the other three villains to form a short-lived new Frightful Four that ends after a run-in with the Thing.

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Re: DP3 35-FB and Cap & Crossbones 1

Post by Paul Bourcier » Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:29 am

Thanks for verifying this, Sean. If there are multiple, original FBs in this issue, what is the page/panel range of the one we're discussing?
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