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Maximus BTS

Post by metaldragon » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:06 pm

In XF@2 we find out that Maximus was manipulating Quicksilver and Crystal in his bid to overthrow his brother again pretty much since Quicksilver became obsessed with training the Inhuman militia and Crystal had her affair with Norm Webster (in the V&SW2 mini-series) which caused the break-up their marriage. Could Maximus get BTS appearances for whenever they appear between V&SW2 up until XF@ 2?
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Re: Maximus BTS

Post by Col_Fury » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:24 pm

Not every time they appear, no.

It's not like Maximus would be directly controlling every action they take, he's influencing/manipulating them, right? So he might get a -BTS in the issue where he starts manipulating them.

Maximus is already listed here as -BTS in V&SW 4, is that what we're talking about? Or is he -BTS in this issue for some other reason?
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Post by metaldragon » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:50 pm

In XF@ 2 Maximus says, "Experimenting with machinery, I've been able to inflict listlessness and pain on all of them... [the Inhumans] and exercise nearly compete control over yourself [Quicksilver], Crystal and Lockjaw..." and at the end of it Quicksilver says to Luna, "No, my love. Your mother is not quite herself yet. Perhaps she never will be again. But from this day forth, all my efforts shall go towards making things right. I swear it!"

Earlier in the story, the royal family talks about the symptoms Maximus described affecting all of Attilan and Medusa says, "What troubles me more is a more personal grief. I am bewildered and astonished that my sister, Crystal, should have proven herself to be so faithless a wife... betraying her husband with another man, and then going to Earth to join the Fantastic Four... ...leaving poor little Luna to become a royal ward... It seems incomprehensible, and so unlike Crystal." She then goes on to discuss with Triton Quicksilver's behaviour attacking and betraying his old comrades [the Avengers] as well as the fact Crystal left without Lockjaw leaving her no easy return in case she had a change of heart.

These events mentioned began in the V&SW2 mini-series with Crystal's affair with Norm Webster, so Maximus should probably get BTS during the issues Quicksilver & Crystal appear there and probably for the issue when Crystal left to rejoin the Fantastic Four. Maximus seemed to be able to control Quicksilver even when he was down on Earth at the beginning of XF@ 2- Franklin Richards could sense Quicksilver's head "pounding" when Quicksilver made his abduction attempt. That means that Maximus was probably BTS during A@ 15 & WCA@ 1 causing Quicksilver's actions there. How often or "completely" Maximus bothered to control Crystal after she left Attilan to rejoin the FF, beyond keeping her from her husband, child and family, is debatable.
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Re: Maximus BTS

Post by Col_Fury » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:03 pm

metaldragon wrote:Franklin Richards could sense Quicksilver's head "pounding" when Quicksilver made his abduction attempt. That means that Maximus was probably BTS during A@ 15 & WCA@ 1 causing Quicksilver's actions there.
OR, Quicksilver's head is "pounding" because he's reacting to Maximus' machinations. Maximus may not have been doing anything at this time, Quicksilver's just having a reaction to something Maximus did earlier.

My point is, "probably" isn't good enough. We have to *KNOW.*

Now, this is what Maximus' chronology looks like right now in the MCP:

MAXIMUS [INHUMAN]

INH 6
V&SW 4-BTS <-this is what I mentioned earlier
A@ 12
XF@ 2
INHUMANS GRAPHIC NOVEL


Is V&SW 4 the issue you're talking about? Does XF@ 2 reveal Maximus is -BTS in V&SW 4? Is this why Maximus is listed as -BTS here? Or is he -BTS in V&SW 4 for some other reason? Or are you talking about some other isue of V&SW?
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Re: Maximus BTS

Post by metaldragon » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:15 pm

Col_Fury wrote:Not every time they appear, no.

It's not like Maximus would be directly controlling every action they take, he's influencing/manipulating them, right? So he might get a -BTS in the issue where he starts manipulating them.

Maximus is already listed here as -BTS in V&SW 4, is that what we're talking about? Or is he -BTS in this issue for some other reason?
No, V&SW 4 is the first series. That is an earlier appearance. I'm talking about the 2nd series.

The period where Maximus was controlling Crystal and Quicksilver was:

CRYSTAL
V&SW2 6
V&SW2 7
V&SW2 8
V&SW2 9
V&SW2 10
V&SW2 12
FF@ 22/2
FF 305
FF@ 20
FF 306 (up to here at least, maybe longer?)

QUICKSILVER
V&SW2 5 (This is probably the beginning though it may be earlier.)
V&SW2 6
V&SW2 8
V&SW2 10
V&SW2 11
A@ 15
WCA@ 1
FF 304
FF 305
FF@ 20
FF 306
XF@ 2 (When Maximus is defeated and his machinery destroyed)

In all that, I suppose one could probably look closer at their actions and determine which moments would be out of character for them and list those issues as Maximus BTS...
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Re: Maximus BTS

Post by Col_Fury » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:20 pm

What happens in V&SW 4? Could Maximus have been manipulating them since then? Why is Maximus -BTS in V&SW 4?
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Re: Maximus BTS

Post by metaldragon » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:31 pm

Col_Fury wrote:What happens in V&SW 4? Could Maximus have been manipulating them since then? Why is Maximus -BTS in V&SW 4?
I don't own that issue. It's the issue where Magneto finds out from Bova that Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver are his children. Crystal & Luna appear as well as Black Bolt, Gorgon, Karnak, Medusa & Lockjaw according to http://uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showqu ... dAuto=3302 . Is it possible that Maximus escapes his prison there to appear next in A@ 12 or something?
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Re: Maximus BTS

Post by Col_Fury » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:48 pm

I don't know, that's why I'm asking. *shrug*

Luna (Crystal & Quicksilver's daughter)'s first appearance is FF 240, which occurs before V&SW 4. So Crystal and Quicksilver were together before V&SW 4, so it's possible Maximus could have started manipulating them back then.

I'd like to rule out V&SW 4 before trying to assign this to some later comic. It could be this was already caught and Maximus' -BTS was already assigned to V&SW 4. OR, Maximus could be -BTS in V&SW 4 for some other reason.

Anyone have V&SW 4 handy to check?
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Re: Maximus BTS

Post by Michael » Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:57 pm

It's not V&SW 4 that needs to be checked- it's A @ 12. In A @ 12, we learn that Maximus switched bodies with Black Bolt before the events of V&SW 4, so it's really Maximus in Black Bolt's body appearing in V&SW 4. I'm not sure that should get a BTS listing, though. What's the rule for body-switches?

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Re: Maximus BTS

Post by metaldragon » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:00 pm

We're talking about two (probably?) unrelated instances. Sorry for the confusion.

I was pointing out that XF@ 2 revealed that Maximus was behind Quicksilver & Crystal's out of character behaviours that began in the second V&SW mini-series and led up to it. This was something I was suggesting that should be added to his listing. I didn't realize Maximus's appearance BTS in V&SW 4 needed clarifying. The stuff I'm talking about happens after A@ 12.
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