Storm in New Mutants #51

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Storm in New Mutants #51

Post by metaldragon » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:38 am

I know this is opening up a can of worms but... I'm curious about the placement of Storm's appearance in New Mutants #51. It's listed as after UX 215-217, which is after MEPHV. 4. I'm wondering how Rogue's appearance in MEPHV. 4 with Thor (which takes place for Thor after T 380) was resolved? The problem with the placement of NM 51 in Storm's chronology is the Fallen Angels mini-series and how it connects to the New Mutants, X-Factor and therefore Thor (in MEPHV. 4) at that time.

There is a crossover between X-Factor & Thor were Iceman gets kidnapped by Loki in XF 15~Thor 377 and returned to X-Factor in XF 17~T 379. Just moments after Iceman returns, Boom Boom leaves X-Factor and joins the Fallen Angels in XF 17~FA 3. For Sunspot & Warlock, FA 1-3 takes place after NM 52.

Which leads to the conclusion: NM 51 must take place before MEPHV. 4 (and therefore UX 215-217) for Storm. Is this possible or are there references in the New Mutants and Uncanny X-Men issues which makes it impossible?

Breakdown as it currently stands:

XF 12 [Angel in hospital post-Mutant Massacre, Sara Grey's house firebombed]
UX 214 [X-Men fight Malice & Dazzler joins the team]
MEPHV. 1-4 [Mephisto kidnaps Marvel Girl, then Rogue. X-Factor must appear before Cyclops leaves for Alaska, X-Men appear alongside Rogue, they see Marvel Girl at the beginning of issue 3, X-Men returned to their bodies at the beginning of 4, then Rogue is forced to kiss Thor to separate his soul from his pulped body and Mephisto returns her to Earth.]
UX 215-217 [Storm & Wolverine investigate Sara Grey's firebombed house and fight 3 WWII mutants, rest of team travel to Muir Island]
NM 51 [Magneto & Storm join Hellfire Club while New Mutants are returning to Earth]
NM @ 3 [Warlock vs Impossible Man, Magneto appears to chide them over this misadventure.]
NM 52 [Magneto appears, the soccer game that leads into:]
FA 1-2 [Magneto appears, Sunspot & Warlock leave New Mutants and join the Fallen Angels]
XF 13-14 [Cyclops in Alaska, doctors recommend Angel's wings be amputated]
XF 15~T 377 [Angel's wings amputated, Iceman kidnapped by Loki just before Angel's "death", Cyclops only returns from Alaska just in time so see Angel's "death"]
T 378/XF 16 [Iceman in Asgard/X-Factor deal with Angel's death]
T 379~XF 17 ~FA 3 [Thor returns Iceman to X-Factor, Boom Boom joins Fallen Angels, Sunspot & Warlock are members.]
T 380 [Thor fights Midgard serpent and his body is pulped.]
MEPHV. 4~T 381 [Mephisto forces Rogue to separate Thor's soul from his pulped body with a kiss.]

If Storm's appearance (with Magneto) in NM 51 takes place before MEPHV. 3-4 & UX 215-217, that would fix the problem. Is this possible?

The change would then mean that the events roughly go:

UX 214 [X-Men fight Malice & Dazzler joins the team]
XF 12 [Angel in hospital post-Mutant Massacre, Sara Grey's house firebombed]
NM 51 [Magneto & Storm join Hellfire Club while New Mutants are returning to Earth]
MEPHV. 1-3 [Mephisto kidnaps Marvel Girl, then Rogue. X-Factor must appear before Cyclops leaves for Alaska, X-Men appear alongside Rogue, they see Marvel Girl at the end of issue 3]

This section is concurrent (to the extended time that probably takes place at the end of MEPHV. 3 & beginning of MEPHV. 4):
NM @ 3 [Warlock vs Impossible Man, Magneto appears at end to chide them over this misadventure.]
NM 52 [Magneto appears, the soccer game that leads into:]
FA 1-2 [Magneto appears, Sunspot & Warlock leave New Mutants and join the Fallen Angels]

...with this section:
XF 13-14 [Cyclops in Alaska, doctors recommend Angel's wings be amputated]
XF 15~T 377 [Angel's wings amputated, Iceman kidnapped by Loki just before Angel's "death", Cyclops only returns from Alaska just in time so see Angel's "death"]
T 378/XF 16 [Iceman in Asgard/X-Factor deal with Angel's death]
T 379~XF 17 ~FA 3 [Thor returns Iceman to X-Factor, Boom Boom joins Fallen Angels, Sunspot & Warlock are members.]
T 380 [Thor fights Midgard serpent and his body is pulped.]
MEPHV. 4~T 381 [Mephisto returns X-Men to their bodies at the beginning of 4, then Rogue is forced to kiss Thor to separate his soul from his pulped body and Mephisto returns her to Earth]
UX 215-217 [Storm & Wolverine investigate Sara Grey's firebombed house and fight 3 WWII mutants, rest of team travel to Muir Island]
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Re: Storm in New Mutants #51

Post by metaldragon » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:17 am

If NM 51 can't be moved for Storm, the only other solution I can think of is to place MEPHVS. 3-4 between NM 51 & UX 219 for Storm and for the rest of the X-Men between UX 218 & 219 when they get back from Muir Island & before Havok joins? Only problem... How does that work for Wolverine? He doesn't appear in 219 but... UX 219 is a very complicated story to figure out time-wise with all the events that are shown and discussed as happening there.

Edit: Ugh, the problem with this placement is still Magneto and his appearances in FA 1 & 2. No, I believe my suggestion above is the workable solution.
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Re: Storm in New Mutants #51

Post by metaldragon » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:44 am

Actually, Magneto isn't in MEPHV. 3-4, so maybe it can still work...?
The change would then mean that the events roughly go:

UX 214 [X-Men fight Malice & Dazzler joins the team]
XF 12 [Angel in hospital post-Mutant Massacre, Sara Grey's house firebombed, Scott & Jean are there when it happens]
UX 215-218 [Storm & Wolverine investigate Sara Grey's firebombed house, Wolverine smells Jean's scent and freaks out, they fight 3 WWII veteran mutants, while the rest of team are training under Banshee & Callisto on Muir Island]
NM 51 [Magneto & Storm join Hellfire Club while New Mutants are returning to Earth]
UX 219-FB [Havok visits X-Men (team is back together and returned from Muir Island) to warn them about possible Brood invasion. Wolverine suggested killing him. Psylocke mind-wiped him and send him back home.]
MEPHV. 1-3 [Mephisto kidnaps Marvel Girl, then Rogue. X-Factor must appear before Cyclops leaves for Alaska, X-Men appear alongside Rogue & are back at the Mansion, they see Marvel Girl at the end of issue 3]

These events take place while Rogue is being held by Mephisto in his realm:
NM @ 3 [Warlock vs Impossible Man, Magneto appears at end to chide them over this misadventure.]
XF 13-14 [Cyclops in Alaska, doctors recommend Angel's wings be amputated]
XF 15~T 377 [Angel's wings amputated, Iceman kidnapped by Loki just before Angel's "death", Cyclops only returns from Alaska just in time so see Angel's "death"]
T 378/XF 16 [Iceman in Asgard/X-Factor tries to deal with Angel's death]
NM 52 [Magneto appears, the soccer game that leads into:]
FA 1-2 [Magneto appears, Sunspot & Warlock leave New Mutants and join the Fallen Angels]
T 379~XF 17 ~FA 3 [Thor returns Iceman to X-Factor, Boom Boom joins Fallen Angels, Sunspot & Warlock are members.]
T 380 [Thor fights Midgard serpent and his body is pulped.]

MEPHV. 4~T 381 [Mephisto returns X-Men (except for Rogue) to their bodies at the beginning of 4, then Rogue is forced to kiss Thor to separate his soul from his pulped body and Mephisto returns her to Earth]
UX 219 [Team is in New York except for Wolverine (who's with Spider-Man?), Havok's internal monologue informs us that he tried to tell them about possible Brood invasion but he finds out they mind-wiped him and sent him back home. About a weeks worth of time takes place between Havok's first visit and the rest of UX 219. Havok's 1st visit probably takes place before MEPHV. #3]

This doesn't affect the placement of NM 51 for Storm, but can this placement of MEPHV. 1-4 work for the X-Men and everything they tie into? This means Magneto's appearance in the UX 219-FB would need to take place between NM 51 & NM@ 3.
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Re: Storm in New Mutants #51

Post by metaldragon » Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:35 pm

I discovered a bit more about this knot. In NM@ 3 the New Mutants talk about the events of the X-Men vs Avengers mini-series. This is a bit of a problem if Magneto is meant to appear in NM@ 3 after XVSA 4 (which has to take place after UX 219). This annual has to take place before Sunspot & Warlock leave for the Fallen Angels (they're gone in NM 53.) All I can think of to solve this is if you write off the reference to the Avengers trying to capture Magneto in XVSA as the New Mutants only talking about the earlier attempt in NM 40. Or else Magik could have accidentally transported them forward in time to witness the trial before NM@ 3?

It's either that or somehow inserting a couple of days between Thor returning Iceman to X-Factor and Boom Boom leaving X-Factor for the Fallen Angels during XF 17... very messy.
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