Wolverine's recent chronology

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Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Paul Bourcier » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:36 pm

I'm trying to make sense of Wolverine's recent chronology, what with his losing his healing powers, adopting a new armored costume, etc.

Avengers World #1-11 have constituted one long story arc with no breaks. Wolverine appears in his old costume in issues #1, 3 and 7, but in issue #10, he's wearing what appears to be his new armored costume. So was that last depiction meant to be a correction, indicating the whole arc should occur after Logan gets his armor? Or was that last depiction an error?

Must all of Logan's appearances in the new armor come after Wolverine (current series) #1-10, or is there a gap between the time he gets his armored costume in the FBs in Wolverine (current series) #2-#3 and the time he goes to work for the Offer, allowing other appearances in new armor (and reinstatement in the Avengers)?

Has anyone worked out a draft chronology of Logan's recent appearances?
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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Jason Doty » Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:23 pm

The current arc in Uncanny comes before Wolverine leaves to join The Offer, because that is where Wolverine learns the location of the New Xavier school and before going undercover he has it out with Shadowcat, knowing where she is located.

So Original Sin takes place before Rogue Logan.


Flashbacks from Wolverine getting the armor from Spider-Ock
Nightcrawler series appearances (still testing himself with armor)
Original Sin
Uncanny X-Men (Will of Xavier)
Rogue Logan (On the outs with everyone including X-Men, Thor)

So, I would think any appearances he has with the Avengers proceed Original Sin, but after Parker returns. So it's possible, he didn't wear the armor all the time. Hope this helps a little.

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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Col_Fury » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:31 am

Yes, I'd say there has to be a gap between W6 3-FB (where he gets the armor) and W6 4-FB (where he alienates all of his friends to go work for the Offer).

Also, Wolverine *just* got his Avengers status reinstated in W6 10 (on page 8).

So it would seem that any appearances Wolverine makes with the Avengers would either have to be before W6 4-FB or after W6 10. Of course, W6 10 ends in a cliffhanger, so we don't know how that story ends yet.
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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Paul Bourcier » Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:00 am

Thanks, guys. Some follow-up questions:

Who supplied Logan with the armor? Was it for the mission to join the Offer? If so, can we make sense of the necessary gap between W6 3-FB and W6 4-FB?

Does it make sense for a de-powered Logan to be on missions with the Avengers between the time he recuperated from losing his healing power (W6 1-FB) and the time he got booted from the team and received the armor (W6 2-FB, W6 3-FB)?

So is it correct to say that any appearances Logan has with the Avengers in his armored costume must occur after W6 10? Interestingly, FF5 2 shows Logan in his armored costume and Superior Spidey fighting alongside the Avengers at a time when both characters should be on the outs with the team; of course, this comic features a huge battle involving lots of heroes, so the two don't necessarily need to be Avengers members here.

It's highly unlikely that Logan switched costumes in the middle of a foreign mission for the Avengers in Avengers World. So either the old costume is right (pre-W6 3-FB, and likely pre-W5 1 -- before Logan loses his healing power) or the new armored costume is right (post W6 10, after Logan is reinstated with the Avengers).
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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Col_Fury » Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:18 am

The Superior Spider-Man gave Wolverine the armor. It wasn't specifically so Wolverine could go work for the Offer, it was just a way for Wolverine to deal with not having his healing factor anymore. So no, there's no reason why a gap can't happen after he gets the armor and before he goes undercover to work for the Offer.

In what issue of what comic did Wolverine lose his Avengers status?
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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Jason Doty » Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:41 am

It's highly unlikely that Logan switched costumes in the middle of a foreign mission for the Avengers in Avengers World. So either the old costume is right (pre-W6 3-FB, and likely pre-W5 1 -- before Logan loses his healing power) or the new armored costume is right (post W6 10, after Logan is reinstated with the Avengers).
I don't think you can push Avengers World that far back. It is tying in with Secret Avengers. Secret Avengers #5 takes place after Original sin and their Infinite comic tie in. Avengers World ties in with Secret Avengers #2-3 which according to the comic happened 57 minutes ago.

So this would mean.

Avengers World predates Original Sin, but I don't think you can push it as far back as Wolverine losing his healing factor.

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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Chris McCarver » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:32 pm

Col_Fury wrote:The Superior Spider-Man gave Wolverine the armor. It wasn't specifically so Wolverine could go work for the Offer, it was just a way for Wolverine to deal with not having his healing factor anymore. So no, there's no reason why a gap can't happen after he gets the armor and before he goes undercover to work for the Offer.

In what issue of what comic did Wolverine lose his Avengers status?
Don't have access to it for an immediate double check, but IIRC, Cap mentioned to Tony in A5 24.1 that he was "taking Logan off the board whether he likes it or not" because he was stretched too thin.
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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Col_Fury » Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:38 pm

Thanks!

So that means Avengers World either has to happen before A5 24.1 (Wolverine no longer an Avenger) or after W6 10 (Wolverine back to being an Avenger), right?
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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by JephYork » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:51 am

No such thing as #24.1. It's just #24.

(The cover calls it "#24.NOW", which is probably what you're thinking of -- but it's #24 in the indicia, IIRC.)

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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Chris McCarver » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:52 am

JephYork wrote:No such thing as #24.1. It's just #24.

(The cover calls it "#24.NOW", which is probably what you're thinking of -- but it's #24 in the indicia, IIRC.)
Yeah, don't know where I got the "point-anything" there. Thanks. :)

Incidentally, just pulled up A5 24 and confirmed that was the issue Cap pulled Wolverine from the roster.
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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Jason Doty » Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:16 pm

Thor in Wolverine is going to cause a problem. It appears he loses his hammer in Original Sin #7. Anyone have the Wolverine issues handy with Thor in them to see if he is carrying it?

Edit.
Just looked at Wolverine no.11 -Thor is flying with the hammer.

Edit again.

Just looked ar Captain America no.23 -Thor has the hammer again, and this has to happen after Original Sin, because Cap is now "Old puny Rogers"

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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Paul Bourcier » Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:12 am

Jason Doty wrote:
I don't think you can push Avengers World that far back. It is tying in with Secret Avengers.
I know both series deal with AIM, but how do they tie in? Are there cross-references between the two series?
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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Jason Doty » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:52 pm

The foot note in Avengers World no.9 says that a Fifty six minutes ago a Jocosta Unit recovered from a demolished remote AIM Outpost*

*See Secret Avengers vol.2 #3

You got me on this one. Apparently in Secret Avengers v2 #3 a Jocosta unit was recovered. and then 56 minutes ago it went on line. So there is no connection, Secret Avengers is currently on v3. Sorry about that

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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Jason Doty » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:30 am

A foot note in Avengers World no.10 says

*Maybe Cap heard about the Black Knight's recent "Mental Health Issues" see Original Sins #2 for more

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Re: Wolverine's recent chronology

Post by Col_Fury » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:14 pm

Well look at that!

Speaking of Original Sin, what ties UX3 24 to that crossover besides the trade dress on the cover? She-Hulk brings Xavier's will to the X-Men, right? I can't see anything that ties this to the Watcher's
Spoiler:
death or eye exploding over Manhattan
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Also, doesn't UX3 17-24 tie in to All-New X-Men 25-30, which has an appearance by the Watcher (in All-New #25)?

Because of the Watcher, don't these issues NEED to happen before Original Sin?
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